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Uhlan wrote:Any corpse will do.

WIN!

Brother Coa wrote:Do not lie, the text you provided clearly say: "living corpse on throne". Meaning it's from the 41'st millennium. And....

...How does a reference to "living corpse on the throne" contradict his claim and mean that it's from the 41st millennium? Especially since it also mentions feeling fear in a measurement of centuries, which would suggest the event took place recently enough after the Horus Heresy.

Glowcat wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:Do not lie, the text you provided clearly say: "living corpse on throne". Meaning it's from the 41'st millennium. And....

...How does a reference to "living corpse on the throne" contradict his claim and mean that it's from the 41st millennium? Especially since it also mentions feeling fear in a measurement of centuries, which would suggest the event took place recently enough after the Horus Heresy.

Because Emperor didn't react at all after they put him on the throne. And there is nothing in text that say from what time period it is, the man that posted said it was little before the heresy era ( obviously he didn't saw "corpse" word in text ).

I was checking the forum and what i saw in the background section was this

Beings that match The Emperor
At: 2011/09/27 20:53:53
By: Brother Coa

I ignored the the second line and "By:" in the third one...

I think we have a winner

If I really had that much power I would first go into the Eye of Terror and have a word with 4 unique persons. After that I would visit Tau, then C'Tan's, then Gork and Mork...
Let us just say that Galaxy woudl became a rather peaceful place...

Nice one Mr.Coa

Ok Coa, first, they ALWAYS refer to the Emperor as a corpse on the golden throne no matter what version you are talking about.

And you have a downloaded codex. I have the actual codex I bought with the game. Did it ever occur to you that whoever copied your version to the internet didn't copy the entire thing? Oh, and the copyright date on the codex I quoted from is 1994...

nice try though...

Brother Coa wrote:

If I really had that much power I would first go into the Eye of Terror and have a word with 4 unique persons. After that I would visit Tau, then C'Tan's, then Gork and Mork...
Let us just say that Galaxy woudl became a rather peaceful place...

Meh, you wouldn't want to be the corpsegod. In the best case your fractured mind and shattered body will suffer endless pain and torture while it tries to protect mankind as best as it can.
In the worst case your fractured mind is desperate to avoid the attention of some truly nasty entities which stalk the warp, eager to devour your soul.

Roadkill Zombie wrote:Ok Coa, first, they ALWAYS refer to the Emperor as a corpse on the golden throne no matter what version you are talking about.

So even in the time of a Great Crusade he was corpse on the Gloden Throne?
I don't think so...



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Roadkill Zombie wrote:
And you have a downloaded codex. I have the actual codex I bought with the game. Did it ever occur to you that whoever copied your version to the internet didn't copy the entire thing? Oh, and the copyright date on the codex I quoted from is 1994...

nice try though...

I don't believe you...you must show me that I can read it. How can I know that you didn't change something? ADN this codex I downoaded have 144 pages, dates from 1994, Orks are on the 66'th page, have Orks, Eldar and Imperials... This is it:



And it is valid.

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KingDeath wrote:
Meh, you wouldn't want to be the corpsegod. In the best case your fractured mind and shattered body will suffer endless pain and torture while it tries to protect mankind as best as it can.
In the worst case your fractured mind is desperate to avoid the attention of some truly nasty entities which stalk the warp, eager to devour your soul.

We are talking about beings that match/are more powerful then him. That means that he would be on the throne while I would be free to go around the galaxy...
Got it now...?

Brother Coa wrote:
We are talking about beings that match/are more powerful then him. That means that he would be on the throne while I would be free to go around the galaxy...
Got it now...?

Meh, true.

Thats not a picture of the 2nd edition Codex Titanicus, that's a pic of the first edition codex titanicus. 2nd Edition has a picture of a Mega Gargant of the Orks on it. The picture you are showing is from the GAME of Adeptus titanicus, the one I have is from Titan Legions, just like I said in the beginning.

The text say: 2'nd edition...


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http://www.4shared.com/document/8LcZ4Won/Codex_-_Titanicus_2E.html


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Did you mean about this one:

http://www.filestube.com/aff3ab7a2afa1a1203ea,g/Warhammer-40K-Epic-Titan-Legions-Codex-Titanicus-b.html

Brother Coa wrote:Well I have downloaded Codex: Titanicus 2'nd edition from 1994 ( 1'st edition doesn't count sice it is older and every new codex replace older fluff ) and I didn't found that sentence, meaning that you have provided it from 1'st edition codex from 1989. I am sorry but that fluff is not valid anymore because 2'nd edition codex replace it.

Unless the second codex provides information that directly contradicts the info from the first, the first one's fluff is still valid.

Roadkill Zombie wrote:It's from the time when he still had eyes. When the Orks first created Gargants and the emperors eyes hadn't completely rotted out of his head yet.

Do not lie, the text you provided clearly say: "living corpse on throne". Meaning it's from the 41'st millennium.

There were actually 10 millennia between the Emperor being put on the Throne and the current setting. It could be anywhere between the 31st to the 33rd for the Emperor to possible still have eyes.

And it isn't from 2nd edition, it's from Titan Legions...an Epic game...but it's still a part of the background of 40k as the beginnings to that story are in the current Ork codex.

because it's from the 1'st edition fluff, and we have 2'nd edition fluff the 2'nd edition fluff replace 1'st edition fluff and there you go - this sentence is not valid anymore.

Again, not unless the second contradict the fluff provided in the first.

I have downloaded this codex and I must say:

-Story is in the 41'st millennium. It was said so in the beginning.
-The codex is old as hell ( they have entire section dedicated to Squats ).
-And Emperor don't have eyes anymore + he fear not for himself but for poor people because billion Orks were getting ready for WARGHHH!!!!! Witch is ok for father to be worrying for his children.

And has it been some new release? I mean, 1994 is LONG behind us... surely there is new edition released?

The text is wrong, that's the first edition codex titanicus from Adeptus Titanicus. That would be the first edition of the Epic game system dealing with Titans.

The one I'm referring to is the Titan Legions codex titanicus which is the 2nd edition of the Epic game system. Whoever you got that from doesn't know what they are talking about. I've even got the white dwarf that talks about both editions of the games and tells you which one is which (And it's got pictures to prove it), so I know I'm right. Not to mention I bought them all when they came out (I'm not exactly young )

And yeah, there have been a few additions since then. None of them contradict that fluff.

See post above...

Horus could beat the emperor don't bother replying because I won't be stuffed to find this thread again

Tzeentch any day

Me.

BeefCakeSoup wrote:This is where it gets hard to really tell...

Sang did break Ka'Bandahs back, but in the fight prior he had his Primarch legs broken and got knocked the f*** out. Ka"Bandah could have easily ripped his tiny little head off too while he was limp on the ground.

C'Tan are an iffy subject, we need more fluff on these guys. What we do know is that they have the power to eat a frickin star. But they view the warp as something of a threat. So how would a tiny mortal stand up to them if he could channel a tsunami of warp energy? Not sure.

Everything has its highs and lows in terms of how sweet or worthless it is, not really sure how the Big E and Horus stacked up because there are way too many conflicting stories of power. I'd assume with his doomsday blast the Big E was about as lethal a threat in that moment as the galaxy could produce - excluding the birth of Slaanesh, which holds the records for most dead the fastest (countless billions in mere seconds)

As for a common ork almost waxin the Emperor, yeah, even warbosses are nothing more then spores that grew into boyz that turned into nobs that became bosses. So a common ork almost waxed him. Granted it wasn't a boy, but it was just an ork no less. Perhaps the strongest or perhaps not even close, given we haven't seen every ork warboss.

And the second time they fought, after Ka'Bhanda struck Sanguinius with a cowardly sneak attack, Sanguinius proceeded to snap Ka'Bhanda's back over his knee. At best, you could argue they were equals, but considering how after Sanguinius had some experience with daemons, he crushed him, it's doubtful. Do note this is in fact the strongest Bloodthirster we speak of.

Considering a fleet of Blackstone Fortresses firing on the Void Dragon failed to kill it, only weakening it and making it sleepy, there exists no mortal that can begin to feth with a C'tan alone. Beyond that, the Void Dragon has also fought the Emperor, while it was weakened, and nearly killed him, shredding his armour and flesh and then nearly crushing him, until the Emperor found a weak point he could attack, thus besting it so he could seal it in Mars. Do note the Emperor admitted killing the Dragon was beyond his power. A starship imbued with a portion of the Nightbringer's power can destroy star systems on a whim. Oh, and the Hive Mind deliberately avoided the Outsider's Dyson Sphere, giving it a 100 lightyear space all for itself. In the Materium, nothing can begin to rival the C'tan. Certainly not the Swarmlord.

It is not impossible to believe that a signifigantly massive Waaagh! could produce a Warlord that has physical might enough to rival the Emperor. Though once more, it said he "struggled" to strangle the Emperor, not even that he was succeeding. Horus was able to kill him simply enough.

KingDeath wrote:If Lexicanum is right in that regard ( perhaps someone can check their sources? I lack the Inquisition sourcebook ) then an Alpha Plus psyker can duplicate all the feats that the false carriongod
and his sons did. From snaping titans in half ( which is in fact much more than Magnus managed to do to the Eldar titan ) to controling entire cities with his mind ( can't be less hard than merely forcing
a spacemarine legion to kneel ).

The 4e rulebook does indeed say that they can snap a Battle Titan in half or turn on army against one another, depending on their specialization.

Only it doesn't specify beyond "Battle Titan," Magnus has destroyed no less than two Titans that dwarfed Warlords, one an Eldar Titan, the other a Gargant. He tore the Gargant apart with a hurricane of fire. He also was able to tear apart the surface of Prospero while fighting Leman Russ, while also blasting Space Wolves and Custodes with his powers, and then had enough strength left to save his Legion. Magnus is uniquely the strongest psyker ever short of the Emperor, whom the Chaos Gods feared.

Oh, and would argue that mentally dominating the second largest Legion of Space Marine is far superior to controlling the minds of some random city.

Oh yeah, and beyond that, Malcador the Sigillite, a very powerful psyker in his own rite, capable of forcing a moon into the Immaterium, was nothing before the Emperor and Magnus the Red, he maintained the Golden Throne as long as he could, but eventually broke down.

Roadkill Zombie wrote:Because it's true.

The burden of proof is on the Imperial side to show proof that the Emperor is the most powerful psyker of all time. I think his power is nothing compared to the hive mind which directs the Tyranid hive fleets across multiple galaxies (making the Astronomicon look weak in comparison), making those same hive fleets adapt as needed to deal with certain battle tactics and abilities of the races they are trying to eat. And to be fair, the Eldar do call him a weakling seer on many occasions. On a few occasions Gork and Mork laugh him off as being just a nuisance and there is even fluff that says the Emperor shows fear because Gork and Mork decided to ignore his warnings in the Warp.

Even from the Imperiums own propoganda he is listed as the most powerful HUMAN....thats it...not the most powerful psyker.

Well let's compare him to Eldrad, the strongest Eldar psyker we've ever witnessed. Eldrad ran away from a raging Fulgrim wielding a Daemonsword. The Emperor defeated Chaos Empowered Horus. So by feats the Emperor is stronger than the strongest Eldar psyker we have seen.

The Hive Mind controls one fleet to and from galaxies, and unlike the Astronomicon benefits from not being stationary, and kind of doesn't do what the Astronomicon does anyway. The Hive Mind went around the Outsider, compared to the Emperor, who personally fought and bested the Void Dragon. Sure, the Void Dragon was weakened, but is there any doubt the Outsider isn't as well?

Gork and Mork are more powerful than the Chaos Gods. The Emperor being less than them is not a bad feat.

Brother Coa wrote:Well I have downloaded Codex: Titanicus 2'nd edition from 1994 ( 1'st edition doesn't count sice it is older and every new codex replace older fluff ) and I didn't found that sentence, meaning that you have provided it from 1'st edition codex from 1989. I am sorry but that fluff is not valid anymore because 2'nd edition codex replace it.

Nice try dough

But fluff about the Sensei is Valid? That stuff is from 3rd edition, and has been replaced with a Tzeentchian cult in a BL book.

Even if that sentence is from a Codex from 1989, nothing has retconned the Emprah being afraid of Gork and Mork. It just hasn't been brought up again since.

Can't play that game, Coa.

Actually the Tzeentchi cult thing was also in the 3rd edition rulebook

Tzeentch.

Tzeentch is the deity.

Tzeentchi are the cultists

Like slaanesh and slaaneshi..

If i'm spelling his confusedness's name wrong it's probably because i'm about 3 sheets to the wind and very very tired...

Ascalam wrote:Actually the Tzeentchi cult thing was also in the 3rd edition rulebook

Was it in a Novel too? Or is this another one of my wonderful moments when I remember enough about the books to be more wrong than right?

Not sure. I've not read all the BL books. I have the 3rd Ed rulebook on hand though

Either way, it's official, though some will still argue it anyway

Eldrad is a psyker, not a battle hardened warlord. He knew his skills in close combat were no match for a raging Chaos Primarch. He was smart enough to know not to play Fulgrim's game. Instead he did what any smart guy would do, use his brains for something other than being a target for a raging primarch and live to fight another day, only next time on his own terms, not Fulgrim's.

Eldrad WAS a psyker... Slaanesh finally got him

Roadkill Zombie wrote:Eldrad is a psyker, not a battle hardened warlord. He knew his skills in close combat were no match for a raging Chaos Primarch. He was smart enough to know not to play Fulgrim's game. Instead he did what any smart guy would do, use his brains for something other than being a target for a raging primarch and live to fight another day, only next time on his own terms, not Fulgrim's.

There was nothing Eldrad gained in sparing Fulgrim.

Eldrad fled from Fulgrim because he would of died if he did not.

Oh, and Eldrad is a battle-hardened warlord. We're talking about the person who bested Abaddon in combat.

But that's not the point, were Eldrad more powerful than the Emperor as a psyker, he would have just done what the Emperor did to the much more powerful Chaos Horus. Blasted his soul to nothingness.

Soladrin wrote:Just wondering if there has been any other being that came close to The Emperors psychic might. I was thinking Eldrad, but I doubt it...

So yeah, that's about it, shoot away!

Sanguinius, the fluff says the only psyker better then him wa the big E.
And yes, Chuck Norris.