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Viersche wrote:
but seriously i think magnus can match the emperor now in his daemon form

Horus got erased when he was backed by all four Chaos Gods. Magnus has the support of one of them. I rest my case.

Magnus was designed to be a powerful psyker and has the support of the god of magic, undiluted by Khorne.

well if you think magnus wasn't a match, i'll go back to my original candidate - Chuck Norris

Durza wrote:Magnus was designed to be a powerful psyker and has the support of the god of magic, undiluted by Khorne.

Are you seriously arguing that Horus having the backing of all four ruinous powers made their individual contributions LESS powerful? Because that sure is how you're coming across.

Tzeentch loves sorcery. Khorne makes a habit of negating psychic powers.

Durza wrote:Tzeentch loves sorcery. Khorne makes a habit of negating psychic powers.

so they could basically cancel each other out?

Magnus would probably be a better psyker but the Emperor would be better in combat.

Almost certainly. But Tzeentch is easily more powerful than the Emperor.

Durza wrote:Almost certainly. But Tzeentch is easily more powerful than the Emperor.

HERESY

old zogwort... not that he's stronger... but he might be able to squig the big E beforre he knows what's going on

Mork and Gork easily surpass the emprah. They know they are so powerful that currently in the galaxy there isn't anything that would make them wake up for a fight.

Durza wrote:Almost certainly. But Tzeentch is easily more powerful than the Emperor.

So that's why The emperor's corpse alone is holding all of chaos back from entering the material world? Huh.. I could've sworn...

Soladrin wrote:

Durza wrote:Almost certainly. But Tzeentch is easily more powerful than the Emperor.

So that's why The emperor's corpse alone is holding all of chaos back from entering the material world? Huh.. I could've sworn...

The Imperials might believe that but it is unlikely. Chaos didn't swallow up the galaxy before the carriongod was inthroned ( or before he was even born ) and it doesn't swallow
up the galaxy now.

KingDeath wrote:

Soladrin wrote:

Durza wrote:Almost certainly. But Tzeentch is easily more powerful than the Emperor.

So that's why The emperor's corpse alone is holding all of chaos back from entering the material world? Huh.. I could've sworn...

The Imperials might believe that but it is unlikely. Chaos didn't swallow up the galaxy before the carriongod was inthroned ( or before he was even born ) and it doesn't swallow
up the galaxy now.

According to old GW material, The Emperor actually predates some Chaos gods. Since he's been around for a LONG time before we actually knew about him.

Edit: Khorne came into full being during middle ages. And he's the oldest, that actually makes the Emperor older then ALL the Chaos gods.

Soladrin wrote:

KingDeath wrote:

Soladrin wrote:

Durza wrote:Almost certainly. But Tzeentch is easily more powerful than the Emperor.

So that's why The emperor's corpse alone is holding all of chaos back from entering the material world? Huh.. I could've sworn...

The Imperials might believe that but it is unlikely. Chaos didn't swallow up the galaxy before the carriongod was inthroned ( or before he was even born ) and it doesn't swallow
up the galaxy now.

According to old GW material, The Emperor actually predates some Chaos gods. Since he's been around for a LONG time before we actually knew about him.

Edit: Khorne came into full being during middle ages. And he's the oldest, that actually makes the Emperor older then ALL the Chaos gods.

Makes sense we have to learn to hope before we can know despair, we must know peace before we know war, restraint before excess, and a routine before we know when something changes.

Soladrin wrote:

KingDeath wrote:

Soladrin wrote:

Durza wrote:Almost certainly. But Tzeentch is easily more powerful than the Emperor.

So that's why The emperor's corpse alone is holding all of chaos back from entering the material world? Huh.. I could've sworn...

The Imperials might believe that but it is unlikely. Chaos didn't swallow up the galaxy before the carriongod was inthroned ( or before he was even born ) and it doesn't swallow
up the galaxy now.

According to old GW material, The Emperor actually predates some Chaos gods. Since he's been around for a LONG time before we actually knew about him.

Edit: Khorne came into full being during middle ages. And he's the oldest, that actually makes the Emperor older then ALL the Chaos gods.

I never noticed this before you pointed it out.

KingDeath wrote:The Imperials might believe that but it is unlikely. Chaos didn't swallow up the galaxy before the carriongod was inthroned ( or before he was even born ) and it doesn't swallow
up the galaxy now.

The Emperor predates the Chaos Gods (Though he does not predate Chaos, which was created millions of years before the Emperor was born).

Though personally, I don't believe the Emperor is holding Chaos from spilling into the material realm. I actually can't recall which source even implies that, to be honest.

Void__Dragon wrote:
Though personally, I don't believe the Emperor is holding Chaos from spilling into the material realm. I actually can't recall which source even implies that, to be honest.

5'th edition rulebook, can't remember what paragraph... It is said that only because of him Chaos Gods didn't destroy Humanity and that he is holding back tides of Daemons and guide his people even in his deathless state.


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Void__Dragon wrote:
up the galaxy now.

The Emperor predates the Chaos Gods (Though he does not predate Chaos, which was created millions of years before the Emperor was born).

The Emporer holds the warp at bay. Nothing can contest with that.

Gork and Mork.

Viersche wrote:

Durza wrote:Tzeentch loves sorcery. Khorne makes a habit of negating psychic powers.

so they could basically cancel each other out?

They don't really cancel each other out, It's more like Gork and Mork. Where Tzeentch feths you with his mind and Khorne just kills you.

Brother Coa wrote:5'th edition rulebook, can't remember what paragraph... It is said that only because of him Chaos Gods didn't destroy Humanity and that he is holding back tides of Daemons and guide his people even in his deathless state.

And I don't remember this one, in witch paragraph is this "Chaos" mentioned?
I thought that only Warp existed before them...and that the Warp was somewhat empty ( at least with no sentient beings ).

I've looked through the 5e rulebook. Didn't find the evidence you speak of.


Chaos first came into existence during the War in Heaven, or rather, after it, the Old Ones having inadvertantly created it in their attempt to fight the Necrons.

The only way to settle this is to convert giant pieces, and make special rules for each.

I want to see a giant Void Dragon model, that looks legitimately Dragon-y.

Void__Dragon wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:5'th edition rulebook, can't remember what paragraph... It is said that only because of him Chaos Gods didn't destroy Humanity and that he is holding back tides of Daemons and guide his people even in his deathless state.

And I don't remember this one, in witch paragraph is this "Chaos" mentioned?
I thought that only Warp existed before them...and that the Warp was somewhat empty ( at least with no sentient beings ).

I've looked through the 5e rulebook. Didn't find the evidence you speak of.


Chaos first came into existence during the War in Heaven, or rather, after it, the Old Ones having inadvertantly created it in their attempt to fight the Necrons.

Well this is truly some old school stuff...

I personally reckon that if he was at full power, no one could contest him. However at his present state, sure some of the gods could.

World Engine > Emperor

I think that magnus the red and some other daemon princes might come close

Void__Dragon wrote:
I've looked through the 5e rulebook. Didn't find the evidence you speak of.

5'th edition rulebook, page 101 : "His immense psychic powers envelop and protect Mankind across the entire galaxy. His consciousness wanders through Warp space, warring against Daemons that inhabit it, keeping closed the doors between this world and the next.

If the Emperor fails then the daemons of Chaos will flood into the galaxy. Every living human will become a gateway for the destruction of Mankind and the stuff of Warp space will submerge the galaxy. There will be no physical matter. No space. No time. Only Chaos."

You didn't even bother to read did you? It's hard to find something when you are not believer...and it goes against your claims...

Chaos first came into existence during the War in Heaven, or rather, after it, the Old Ones having inadvertantly created it in their attempt to fight the Necrons.

That's Warp, unless you can prove to me that Warp = Chaos I will not believe in it.

Not sure if I'm right, but would the C'Tan from Necrons be close?

Inconsistency wrote:Not sure if I'm right, but would the C'Tan from Necrons be close?

Not truly psychic as the Warp is pretty much their antithesis but as someone stated before, if any of the four were at full strength (okay, maybe not the deceiver) they'd probably make the emperor shat his pants. And it is mentioned/implied that the Outsider's mere presence can drive people insane to the point of self mutilation at the least.


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Brother Coa wrote:

Void__Dragon wrote:
Chaos first came into existence during the War in Heaven, or rather, after it, the Old Ones having inadvertantly created it in their attempt to fight the Necrons.

That's Warp, unless you can prove to me that Warp = Chaos I will not believe in it.

I'm presuming you are saying the old ones created the Warp, think you're wrong there pal.

I'm pretty sure that the Warp had always been around it just that it used to be a pretty peaceful place until the War in Heaven where upon the Old Ones, due to them making races in tune with the warp to try to fend off the Necrons, fethed it up turning it into the chaotic mess, aggravating it to the point that the enslavers came pouring through, finishing off the old ones. So no, the Old Ones didn't make chaos, but they sure as hell set up the stage to make it come into existence.

Malal.

Now seriously, count me on the ranks of those who think The E. is no match for the Chaos Gods. I tend to think of him as a warp entity (a chaos god, if you wish) in the making. Almost there, yet not fully realized.