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ph34r wrote:
Played 40k for less time
Posted on this forum for less time
Zero knowledge of SupCom

One last thing:

I play Warhammer from 2004
I discovered this forum only 2 years ago, didn't have need for it.
I had knowledge ( I said like 20 times that game was bad ) but I am realistic as I said technology is <<<<<<<<< magic. ( witch you can't understand )

But is't ok, continue posting fan stuff, I will look something else.

Brother Coa wrote:I am realistic as I said technology is <<<<<<<<< magic. ( witch you can't understand )

But is't ok, continue posting fan stuff, I will look something else.

See i said this back in page 3 in the spoiler.
And i was right all along :3

LunaHound wrote:

ph34r wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:Plus Supreme commander doesn't have gods....
40k does. your talking every single race. gigillons of units vs billions. who wins? 40k because the sheer size is massive.

SupCom has no gods, it has extradimensional psychic aliens that have nearly the power of gods and are not afraid to use them like every god in 40k. SupCom has the raw mass harvesting and efficiency of the Tyranids, the strength of material, technology, and travel capabilities of the Necrons, and the advanced infinitely adaptable blueprints of the Golden Age of Man STC, where every infantry produced is a battle titan and takes LESS THAN A SECOND TO MAKE.

40k does not stand a change. I'm sorry, it's literally every conceivable odd stacked against them.

Every odd other than:
Spoiler for language of poop

Spoiler:

Brother Coa wrote:One last thing:

I play Warhammer from 2004
I discovered this forum only 2 years ago, didn't have need for it.
I had knowledge ( I said like 20 times that game was bad ) but I am realistic as I said technology is <<<<<<<<< magic. ( witch you can't understand )

But is't ok, continue posting fan stuff, I will look something else.

Alright, so we have about the same amount of experience with 40k, my having about 4 years more forum knowledge which would logically make me more informed overall.

Even if we were the same 40k-wise, I have knowledge of SupCom and you don't, making my the most logical and less opinionated on this matter.

I have time and time again explained how a faction with the numbers of the IG, the power of each soldier being a titan, the ability to jump around the galaxy infinitely, with no morale, no supply trains, no training time, no space fleet needed, any resource being usable, any unit being self-repairable, and experimental units four times larger than the largest warmachine in the Imperium, Chaos, or Xenos, would be able to beat down the 40k universe. But this logic, and the specific reasons why magic is not all powerful (see: eldar not controlling the universe in 40k) is not good enough for you.

Because you cannot do logic. And you cannot argue logically. And you don't know anything about SupCom, so you assume that 40k is stronger.

LunaHound wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:I am realistic as I said technology is <<<<<<<<< magic. ( witch you can't understand )

But is't ok, continue posting fan stuff, I will look something else.

See i said this back in page 3 in the spoiler.
And i was right all along :3

LunaHound wrote:

ph34r wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:Plus Supreme commander doesn't have gods....
40k does. your talking every single race. gigillons of units vs billions. who wins? 40k because the sheer size is massive.

SupCom has no gods, it has extradimensional psychic aliens that have nearly the power of gods and are not afraid to use them like every god in 40k. SupCom has the raw mass harvesting and efficiency of the Tyranids, the strength of material, technology, and travel capabilities of the Necrons, and the advanced infinitely adaptable blueprints of the Golden Age of Man STC, where every infantry produced is a battle titan and takes LESS THAN A SECOND TO MAKE.

40k does not stand a change. I'm sorry, it's literally every conceivable odd stacked against them.

Every odd other than:
Spoiler for language of poop

Spoiler:

You did call this, nice job. That being said, it's still pretty much the truth. Same goes for magnets.
Warning: NSFW ans bad words.

Ok, im going to get yelled at ALL SIDES for saying this but here goes.

Am i wrong to say that they made " warp" so vague so it can be used in arguments akin to magic?
Aka allowing fluff / story writers easy escape route when something doesn't match up or make sense?

LunaHound wrote:Ok, im going to get yelled at ALL SIDES for saying this but here goes.

Am i wrong to say that they made " warp" so vague so it can be used in arguments akin to magic?
Aka allowing fluff / story writers easy escape route when something doesn't match up or make sense?

I don't think that was the single reason they did, more along the lines of they don't even know, but yes, basically.

ph34r wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:Except that daemon just come back, over and over. There is only so much matter, but there is infinite warp space.

The Necrons have proven that it is possible to destroy the Warp using material means (Cadian Pylons).

Even if the Daemons can come back forever, which they can't without summoning, which said summoning would be impossible in a Supreme Commander society, a SupCom's army can defeat them every time, making them a mere nuisance.

HAHAHA nope. The eye of terror is the eye of terror regardless of summoning. And did you just completely tune out the part where mortal weapons can't kill daemons?

im2randomghgh wrote:

ph34r wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:Except that daemon just come back, over and over. There is only so much matter, but there is infinite warp space.

The Necrons have proven that it is possible to destroy the Warp using material means (Cadian Pylons).

Even if the Daemons can come back forever, which they can't without summoning, which said summoning would be impossible in a Supreme Commander society, a SupCom's army can defeat them every time, making them a mere nuisance.

HAHAHA nope. The eye of terror is the eye of terror regardless of summoning. And did you just completely tune out the part where mortal weapons can't kill daemons?

I am telling him that the whole thread...

LunaHound wrote:Ok, im going to get yelled at ALL SIDES for saying this but here goes.

Am i wrong to say that they made " warp" so vague so it can be used in arguments akin to magic?
Aka allowing fluff / story writers easy escape route when something doesn't match up or make sense?

Well there is actual magic so...

Plus the tyranids are their eraser

im2randomghgh wrote:

ph34r wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:Except that daemon just come back, over and over. There is only so much matter, but there is infinite warp space.

The Necrons have proven that it is possible to destroy the Warp using material means (Cadian Pylons).

Even if the Daemons can come back forever, which they can't without summoning, which said summoning would be impossible in a Supreme Commander society, a SupCom's army can defeat them every time, making them a mere nuisance.

HAHAHA nope. The eye of terror is the eye of terror regardless of summoning. And did you just completely tune out the part where mortal weapons can't kill daemons?

Whats the EoT's range of influence?

im2randomghgh wrote:

ph34r wrote:Even if the Daemons can come back forever, which they can't without summoning, which said summoning would be impossible in a Supreme Commander society, a SupCom's army can defeat them every time, making them a mere nuisance.

HAHAHA nope. The eye of terror is the eye of terror regardless of summoning. And did you just completely tune out the part where mortal weapons can't kill daemons?

How dense can you insist to be? I literally said AT THE START OF MY POST "Even if the Daemons can come back forever".

And guess what, as I ALSO JUST SAID physical means can block out the Eye of Terror. SEE: NECRON PYLONS.


If you are going to insist on continuing to not read my posts, what point is there in pretending that you have an argument? You only serve to embarrass yourself.


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Brother Coa wrote:I am telling him that the whole thread...

If you can come up with any new arguments I would be glad to shoot them down like I have done to every single thing you have said so far

ph34r wrote:If you can come up with any new arguments I would be glad to shoot them down like I have done to every single thing you have said so far

Ok, can something in SC universe kill a Chaos God?

Brother Coa wrote:

ph34r wrote:If you can come up with any new arguments I would be glad to shoot them down like I have done to every single thing you have said so far

Ok, can something in SC universe kill a Chaos God?

Yes: the Chaos Gods only exist thanks to emotion, and 3/4 factions in SupCom would either destroy all life or destroy all emotion. The fourth would create a police state/utopia where the populace is strictly monitored. Next?

ph34r wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:

ph34r wrote:If you can come up with any new arguments I would be glad to shoot them down like I have done to every single thing you have said so far

Ok, can something in SC universe kill a Chaos God?

Yes: the Chaos Gods only exist thanks to emotion, and 3/4 factions in SupCom would either destroy all life or destroy all emotion. The fourth would create a police state/utopia where the populace is strictly monitored. Next?

No, that is not how it works... You can't kill a Chaos God you can only make him weak. ANd they can feed upon emotions of even SupCom factions.
You argument is invalid since nothing can actually kill them.
Can SupCom destroy the Warp?

Brother Coa wrote:You argument is invalid since nothing can actually kill them.

So, because nothing can 100% kill a chaos god, 40k beats every other setting by default?





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I think I am beginning to understand your "argument"

ph34r wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:You argument is invalid since nothing can actually kill them.

So, because nothing can 100% kill a chaos god, 40k beats every other setting by default?





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I think I am beginning to understand your "argument"

Exactly this, same as God. Nothing can destroy a God so God by default beats all.
Chaos Gods can't be killed, and they have unlimited number of minions.
One final question: what is stronger technology or magic?

ph34r wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:You argument is invalid since nothing can actually kill them.

So, because nothing can 100% kill a chaos god, 40k beats every other setting by default?





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I think I am beginning to understand your "argument"

Its magic
lol

Chaos Gods feeds on emotions. SC have no emotions.
How long before the God's battery that runs on emotion last? Before long it'll be weak, SC will just take the loss of 10 hours of work and jump to a new location. Not a big deal at all.

ph34r wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

ph34r wrote:Even if the Daemons can come back forever, which they can't without summoning, which said summoning would be impossible in a Supreme Commander society, a SupCom's army can defeat them every time, making them a mere nuisance.

HAHAHA nope. The eye of terror is the eye of terror regardless of summoning. And did you just completely tune out the part where mortal weapons can't kill daemons?

How dense can you insist to be? I literally said AT THE START OF MY POST "Even if the Daemons can come back forever".

And guess what, as I ALSO JUST SAID physical means can block out the Eye of Terror. SEE: NECRON PYLONS.


If you are going to insist on continuing to not read my posts, what point is there in pretending that you have an argument? You only serve to embarrass yourself.


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Brother Coa wrote:I am telling him that the whole thread...

If you can come up with any new arguments I would be glad to shoot them down like I have done to every single thing you have said so far

I read it. It just doesn't matter because you're not reading mine. YOU CANNOT KILL A DAEMON. EVER. Also, unless your factions happen to have several star gods backing them, pylons are out of the question.

im2randomghgh wrote:
I read it. It just doesn't matter because you're not reading mine. YOU CANNOT KILL A DAEMON. EVER. Also, unless your factions happen to have several star gods backing them, pylons are out of the question.

He just said that they can kill a Chaos God, a CHAOS GOD...

How does Cadians that are stationed at EoT beat Chaos?
If what you guys said are true, why would Imperium station a whole world that cant even poke or tickle Daemons there?

Brother Coa wrote:Exactly this, same as God. Nothing can destroy a God so God by default beats all.
Chaos Gods can't be killed, and they have unlimited number of minions.
One final question: what is stronger technology or magic?

Hahaha man you don't even have an argument.

Even if the Chaos Gods could only be weakened to 0.0001% of their strength, that would still obviously be a victory for SupCom. Infinitely close to dead is effectively the same as dead, or so says math.

Chaos Gods have as many minions as they have emotion for. No emotion, no power, no minions.

The icing on the cake is the fact that an Armored Command Unit could reverse engineer a Necron anti-warp Pylon, such as the Cadian Pylons, and then easily reconstruct them so as to permanently separate the warp from reality, as described in the Necron codex as their ultimate goal to defeat the Chaos Gods.

Brother Coa wrote:One final question: what is stronger technology or magic?

Oh man, you could not have set me up to support my point any better if you tried

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."
-Arthur C. Clarke, "Profiles of The Future", 1961 (Clarke's third law)
English physicist & science fiction author (1917 - 2008)

LunaHound wrote:How does Cadians that are stationed at EoT beat Chaos?
If what you guys said are true, why would Imperium station a whole world that cant even poke or tickle Daemons there?

They have faith in the Emperor. The battles are almost just a physical representation of the battle inside the soul of each and every man who stands opposed to chaos.

Cadia exists because of the Pylons that contain the warp storm.

That and the Chaos Gods actually enjoy the eternal struggle. They actually have no stock in winning, only in the eternal war that is generated. In some ways, this will ensure that the Imperium will always exist.

Man, this is heated.

LunaHound wrote:
Chaos Gods feeds on emotions. SC have no emotions.
How long before the God's battery that runs on emotion last? Before long it'll be weak, SC will just take the loss of 10 hours of work and jump to a new location. Not a big deal at all.

Uh...you know very little about Chaos Gods?
They feed on emotions of every living being in the galaxy, from an ant to a Ork Squigoth. And if 40k have something that is numbers of living beings.
And as I have seen in SC there are Humans and Aliens and they all feed Chaos Gods who also feed upon 40k races. And Chaos Gods can just make one giant Warp storm and make all fancy SC tech useless ( Warp Field effect see Soulstorm Tau Stronghold for reference ).

im2randomghgh wrote:I read it. It just doesn't matter because you're not reading mine. YOU CANNOT KILL A DAEMON. EVER. Also, unless your factions happen to have several star gods backing them, pylons are out of the question.

I have read, and disproved, everything you have said.

You can't ever "kill" a daemon except by using warp powers, but you can easily banish it back to the warp using mundane means. This is a fact, and the entirety of 40k supports it. See: Codex Imperial Guard, every novel where IG fight daemons, the planet Cadia, etc.

An ACU does not need a star god to construct Pylons. As soon as he sees one, he can capture it using his nanolathe, taking full control and full knowledge of it. From that knowledge he could construct a duplicate, or he could capture a necron builder scarab in the same way and have said scarab construct it for him.

Necrons only use the mundane, physical world to construct their devices. Supreme Commanders can manipulate matter at a basic level to construct ANYTHING. Once a SupCom gets his hands on a Pylon, he can build a Pylon, and that is assuming he could not use QAI (quantum artificial intelligence, a construct of theoretically infinite intelligence) to design one himself.

Anything else?

ph34r wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:Exactly this, same as God. Nothing can destroy a God so God by default beats all.
Chaos Gods can't be killed, and they have unlimited number of minions.
One final question: what is stronger technology or magic?

Hahaha man you don't even have an argument.

Even if the Chaos Gods could only be weakened to 0.0001% of their strength, that would still obviously be a victory for SupCom. Infinitely close to dead is effectively the same as dead, or so says math.

Chaos Gods have as many minions as they have emotion for. No emotion, no power, no minions.

The icing on the cake is the fact that an Armored Command Unit could reverse engineer a Necron anti-warp Pylon, such as the Cadian Pylons, and then easily reconstruct them so as to permanently separate the warp from reality, as described in the Necron codex as their ultimate goal to defeat the Chaos Gods.

Brother Coa wrote:One final question: what is stronger technology or magic?

Oh man, you could not have set me up to support my point any better if you tried

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."
-Arthur C. Clarke, "Profiles of The Future", 1961 (Clarke's third law)
English physicist & science fiction author (1917 - 2008)

This next question I am asking because of my non-existant knowledge of SC:
What proof do you have that they could reverse-engineer it? This is not a flame or a bash, I am truly wondering. I know nothing about the SC univers, to reiterate what I said before.

ph34r wrote:
"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."
-Arthur C. Clarke, "Profiles of The Future", 1961 (Clarke's third law)
English physicist & science fiction author (1917 - 2008)

And that man is an idiot, he told that God doesn't exist because there was no time before Big Bang. Adn God exist beyond the realm of time and space.
You post is invalid.

Maybe we should show him the Eye of Terror and how Chaos Daemons "pop up" into reality and maybe he will write another book contradicting that claim

Brother Coa wrote:Uh...you know very little about Chaos Gods?
They feed on emotions of every living being in the galaxy, from an ant to a Ork Squigoth. And if 40k have something that is numbers of living beings.
And as I have seen in SC there are Humans and Aliens and they all feed Chaos Gods who also feed upon 40k races. And Chaos Gods can just make one giant Warp storm and make all fancy SC tech useless ( Warp Field effect see Soulstorm Tau Stronghold for reference ).

Right. And in SupCom land, guess what? No emotion.

Also, Dawn of War: Soulstorm is the most notoriously un-canon video game, to the point that it is universally despised by gamers and 40k fans alike, and is made fun of to no end by the in-game dialogue of the Blood Ravens in Dawn of War II.

Brother Coa wrote:

LunaHound wrote:
Chaos Gods feeds on emotions. SC have no emotions.
How long before the God's battery that runs on emotion last? Before long it'll be weak, SC will just take the loss of 10 hours of work and jump to a new location. Not a big deal at all.

Uh...you know very little about Chaos Gods?
They feed on emotions of every living being in the galaxy, from an ant to a Ork Squigoth. And if 40k have something that is numbers of living beings.
And as I have seen in SC there are Humans and Aliens and they all feed Chaos Gods who also feed upon 40k races. And Chaos Gods can just make one giant Warp storm and make all fancy SC tech useless ( Warp Field effect see Soulstorm Tau Stronghold for reference ).

Its not logical. If Cadia does nothing but dying ( since you said their tanks and guns are useless )
Then the despair and horror is actually feeding Chaos.

They might as well NOT be there, or station something that can cause Chaos harm there.

See, its not logical, or im missing something, so do tell me.