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im2randomghgh wrote:1. That's exactly what we're saying. Do you think that it matters how many pieces of meat you put in from of An'ggrath?
Again, even in an unwinnable situation, a Supreme Commander can at zero permanent cost self destruct every single unit he has, and teleport to a different planet.
It will take him LESS THAN A DAY to fully reconstruct his forces regardless of where he teleports to.
On the other hand, summoning An'ggrath is an extremely difficult affair that can only occur with massive sacrifice, in a galaxy full of despair, when the favors of the dark god are waxing.
im2randomghgh wrote:Also, greater daemons, who are immune to regular weapons, can be summoned in legions by Alpha+ psykers.
I do not dispute that an Alpha+ psyker would be extremely difficult for the SupCom universe to defeat if he uses his full powers. However, if the Imperium can defeat one, then there is hope for the SupCom universe to defeat one.
Luckily for SupCom, Alpha+ psykers are nearly all insane and uncontrollable, and a Supreme Commander could play the keep-away game with them.
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You are full of telling that some random faction can defeat creatures that are not bond by laws of psysics and that eat Stars to survive. I am done here...
Explain why the star gods would want to be transferred into the Necrodermis body
The matter of organic beings is tastier than stars. No, actually.
Brother Coa wrote:And you 2 ignore that in all discussion. Unless SC have something that can kill Chaos Gods wh40k wins automatically.
Sure. Cybrans/Aeon/Seraphim take over physical galaxy, emotion is abolished, Chaos Gods cease to exist.
Check Mate.
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Well look what showed up. Must be that time of month again
I have only played SupCom 2 so I will be using that as a baseline.
Correct me if I am wrong, I may be thinging of another Sci-fi, but Supreme Commander has a fatal flaw in its military function in that all the factions have abandoned Space Combat. They use the portals to travel from planet to planet.
As such, 40k has a huge advantage in having Orbital Bombardment capabilities and the ability to retreat to inaccessable planets if they are losing at a single point of conflict.
The UEF only has a, debatable, advantage in technology. They have fast production capabilities, but the IoM has practically unlimited manpower and resources. This would give the UEF an initial advantage, but once the Imperial warmachine starts grinding you are in big trouble.
Titans vs King Kryptors:
Judging by the scale compared to the skyscrapers in SupCom, I estimate Kryptors to be on par with Reaver Titans in size, but they are clearly not as agile and their weapons don't have as great a range nor do they sport as great a variety of weapons, having only the arm mounted energy cannons. Reavers have a variety of weapons to be used in differing tactical situations.
The Imperium has other titans too. Warhounds are smaller then Kryptors, but are much faster. Warhounds could take advantage of the terrain and the fact that they too have access to a varity of weapon loadouts.
Warlords would provide long range support that is only comperable to Nuclear Missiles and Artillery Defenses. with the advantage of mobility.
Ground Forces:
The Imperium uses Infantry, SupCom does not. this means the Imperium has an entire threat projection dimension that SupCom doesn't have an equivilant for. UEF forces might think Infantry to be no threat and would simply disregard to focus on Titans and Armor Divisions. this would give Infantry almost free reign to attack UEF forces.
As all SupCom units are some form of Vehicle, all SupCom munitions will be armor piercing in nature. Missiles will not have anti-infantry payloads. Artillery would be the only thing that would provide any sort of ability to deal with massed infantry.
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im2randomghgh wrote:He would do a better job of preventing sacrifices and emotions than the IoM? May I inquire as to your logic?
Because the SupCom universe is MASSIVELY more powerful, citizens can be 100% watched and controlled, the possibility of a chaos cult gaining a foothold is nearly nonexistent.
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After much researching i have decided neither universe wins because neither them have any similarities to physics.
thread is over. If we are to go by stratgety games alone then dawn of war 1 means i can produce roughly 500000 space marine squads in 1 second.
The fact is Supreme commander isn't that big of a fan base. and the fact is that it has so many holes in it and it needs to better deal with the plot. For all we know the canon things we have discussed might be changed later on.
the big problem i see is that it is theoritically impossible to form matter into metals, as we have metals, metalliods and nonmetals. you can't fashion a nonmetal into a metallic structure. it is impossible. 40k has not gone that far.
The fact Remains Supreme Commander is more a Fantasy game than a sci-fi game. And I will discount it for being too fantasy. I know this post will be ripped apart because of Space Elves, Orks, and chaos daemons. But creating new matter and forging nonmetals into metals. Is insanely fantasy and that is alchemy from the midevil era.
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ph34r wrote:
Brother Coa wrote:And you 2 ignore that in all discussion. Unless SC have something that can kill Chaos Gods wh40k wins automatically.
Sure. Cybrans/Aeon/Seraphim take over physical galaxy, emotion is abolished, Chaos Gods cease to exist.
Check Mate.
you can't get rid of emotion mate. Emotion is always there. that would never happen it is the brain and is in the soul and cannot be controlled or destoried. it can be quelled but thats about it.
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Grey Templar wrote:Well look what showed up. Must be that time of month again
I have only played SupCom 2 so I will be using that as a baseline.
Supreme Commander 2, while an approximation of SupCom 1, is in fact at a MUCH lower power level and scale than Supreme Commander.
In the SupCom universe they do in fact make use of space combat, as you can see space ships taking off in the Forged Alliance opening cinematic, though ground combat is preferred for the reason that a ground force has access to unlimited resources, and can in fact defeat a space force as they do not have access to said resources.
When you are an ACU, it is in fact preferable to have control of the ground to control of space, as space is not necessary for travel and the ground is necessary for unit production and resource collection.
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Grey Templar wrote:Well look what showed up. Must be that time of month again
I have only played SupCom 2 so I will be using that as a baseline.
Supreme Commander 2, while an approximation of SupCom 1, is in fact at a MUCH lower power level and scale than Supreme Commander.
In the SupCom universe they do in fact make use of space combat, as you can see space ships taking off in the Forged Alliance opening cinematic, though ground combat is preferred for the reason that a ground force has access to unlimited resources, and can in fact defeat a space force as they do not have access to said resources.
When you are an ACU, it is in fact preferable to have control of the ground to control of space, as space is not necessary for travel and the ground is necessary for unit production and resource collection.
So then it is retconned you can't use the old supreme commander stuff. you need to use the newest version which means 40k wins. Its like allowing us all to use conversion beamers that are close ranged weaponry on all space marines.
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im2randomghgh wrote:1. That's exactly what we're saying. Do you think that it matters how many pieces of meat you put in from of An'ggrath?
Again, even in an unwinnable situation, a Supreme Commander can at zero permanent cost self destruct every single unit he has, and teleport to a different planet.
It will take him LESS THAN A DAY to fully reconstruct his forces regardless of where he teleports to.
On the other hand, summoning An'ggrath is an extremely difficult affair that can only occur with massive sacrifice, in a galaxy full of despair, when the favors of the dark god are waxing.
im2randomghgh wrote:Also, greater daemons, who are immune to regular weapons, can be summoned in legions by Alpha+ psykers.
I do not dispute that an Alpha+ psyker would be extremely difficult for the SupCom universe to defeat if he uses his full powers. However, if the Imperium can defeat one, then there is hope for the SupCom universe to defeat one.
Luckily for SupCom, Alpha+ psykers are nearly all insane and uncontrollable, and a Supreme Commander could play the keep-away game with them.
1. If he teleports away, then he was forced to withdraw, and so lost. Plus, An'ggrath isn't just going to sit there going "hurr durr", he's gonna get up in that commanders face before he knows what's going on.
2. Doesn't matter that they're insane. They are part of wh40k. Also, you can't flee from them. First of all, they can unravel your soul at the speed of thought. Second of all, the laws of physics are a suggestion to them, and they can just teleport after you. They could, if they wanted, go back in time and kill your mother before you were born. Or just kill whoever was inventing this amazing technology.
Asherian Command wrote:you can't get rid of emotion mate. Emotion is always there. that would never happen it is the brain and is in the soul and cannot be controlled or destoried. it can be quelled but thats about it.
Actually you can. One faction of the Cybran want to make everyone into emotionless machines of perfect logic. The Seraphim want to kill all humans. The Aeon want to make everyone brainwashed and super-indoctrinated into the worship of the Seraphim.
Even the UEF, who does not oppose freedom or emotion, is closer to a police state where everything is maintained in a pseudo-utopia, where the intense toiling and negative emotions generated by the untold trillions of suffers in 40k required to power the chaos gods would not exist.
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Asherian Command wrote:you can't get rid of emotion mate. Emotion is always there. that would never happen it is the brain and is in the soul and cannot be controlled or destoried. it can be quelled but thats about it.
Actually you can. One faction of the Cybran want to make everyone into emotionless machines of perfect logic. The Seraphim want to kill all humans. The Aeon want to make everyone brainwashed and super-indoctrinated into the worship of the Seraphim.
Even the UEF, who does not oppose freedom or emotion, is closer to a police state where everything is maintained in a pseudo-utopia, where the intense toiling and negative emotions generated by the untold trillions of suffers in 40k required to power the chaos gods would not exist.
Then why do they commit war? War is an emotion. . If anything they wouldn't interfer. That is human emotion still. Perfect logic would dictate no war and just retreat and seeing solutions to everything peacefully which is more logical. Risk resources and lives, or risk nothing and just get longer but better stuff.
Sorry mate but you contradict yourself and the fact psychology disagrees with you completely. Not attacking you, just your opinon btw.
From whom are unforgiven we bring the mercy of war.
im2randomghgh wrote:1. If he teleports away, then he was forced to withdraw, and so lost. Plus, An'ggrath isn't just going to sit there going "hurr durr", he's gonna get up in that commanders face before he knows what's going on.
2. Doesn't matter that they're insane. They are part of wh40k. Also, you can't flee from them. First of all, they can unravel your soul at the speed of thought. Second of all, the laws of physics are a suggestion to them, and they can just teleport after you. They could, if they wanted, go back in time and kill your mother before you were born. Or just kill whoever was inventing this amazing technology.
An'ggrath cannot physically "get at" a Supreme Commander any more than he can physically walk to Terra and bust past the Custodes.
Considering that An'ggrath has to walk and that Supreme Commanders can teleport or fly, I very much assure you that An'ggrat would "get up in" a world of pain.
You can't use totally uncontrollable Alpha+ psykers as a credit against a Supreme Commander as the Alpha+ psyker would never have the motivation or reason to pursue an organized agenda.
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Asherian Command wrote:After much researching i have decided neither universe wins because neither them have any similarities to physics.
thread is over. If we are to go by stratgety games alone then dawn of war 1 means i can produce roughly 500000 space marine squads in 1 second.
The fact is Supreme commander isn't that big of a fan base. and the fact is that it has so many holes in it and it needs to better deal with the plot. For all we know the canon things we have discussed might be changed later on.
the big problem i see is that it is theoritically impossible to form matter into metals, as we have metals, metalliods and nonmetals. you can't fashion a nonmetal into a metallic structure. it is impossible. 40k has not gone that far.
The fact Remains Supreme Commander is more a Fantasy game than a sci-fi game. And I will discount it for being too fantasy. I know this post will be ripped apart because of Space Elves, Orks, and chaos daemons. But creating new matter and forging nonmetals into metals. Is insanely fantasy and that is alchemy from the midevil era.
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ph34r wrote:
Brother Coa wrote:And you 2 ignore that in all discussion. Unless SC have something that can kill Chaos Gods wh40k wins automatically.
Sure. Cybrans/Aeon/Seraphim take over physical galaxy, emotion is abolished, Chaos Gods cease to exist.
Check Mate.
you can't get rid of emotion mate. Emotion is always there. that would never happen it is the brain and is in the soul and cannot be controlled or destoried. it can be quelled but thats about it.
Actually you could convert a non-metal into a metalloid, if you simply switched the position/ratio of the electrons/protons/neutrons.
Asherian Command wrote:After much researching i have decided neither universe wins because neither them have any similarities to physics.
thread is over. If we are to go by stratgety games alone then dawn of war 1 means i can produce roughly 500000 space marine squads in 1 second.
The fact is Supreme commander isn't that big of a fan base. and the fact is that it has so many holes in it and it needs to better deal with the plot. For all we know the canon things we have discussed might be changed later on.
the big problem i see is that it is theoritically impossible to form matter into metals, as we have metals, metalliods and nonmetals. you can't fashion a nonmetal into a metallic structure. it is impossible. 40k has not gone that far.
The fact Remains Supreme Commander is more a Fantasy game than a sci-fi game. And I will discount it for being too fantasy. I know this post will be ripped apart because of Space Elves, Orks, and chaos daemons. But creating new matter and forging nonmetals into metals. Is insanely fantasy and that is alchemy from the midevil era.
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ph34r wrote:
Brother Coa wrote:And you 2 ignore that in all discussion. Unless SC have something that can kill Chaos Gods wh40k wins automatically.
Sure. Cybrans/Aeon/Seraphim take over physical galaxy, emotion is abolished, Chaos Gods cease to exist.
Check Mate.
you can't get rid of emotion mate. Emotion is always there. that would never happen it is the brain and is in the soul and cannot be controlled or destoried. it can be quelled but thats about it.
Actually you could convert a non-metal into a metalloid, if you simply switched the position/ratio of the electrons/protons/neutrons.
You can't add protons or neutrons. you can only add electrons.
From whom are unforgiven we bring the mercy of war.
Asherian Command wrote:you can't get rid of emotion mate. Emotion is always there. that would never happen it is the brain and is in the soul and cannot be controlled or destoried. it can be quelled but thats about it.
Actually you can. One faction of the Cybran want to make everyone into emotionless machines of perfect logic. The Seraphim want to kill all humans. The Aeon want to make everyone brainwashed and super-indoctrinated into the worship of the Seraphim.
Even the UEF, who does not oppose freedom or emotion, is closer to a police state where everything is maintained in a pseudo-utopia, where the intense toiling and negative emotions generated by the untold trillions of suffers in 40k required to power the chaos gods would not exist.
Then why do they commit war? War is an emotion. . If anything they wouldn't interfer. That is human emotion still. Perfect logic would dictate no war and just retreat and seeing solutions to everything peacefully which is more logical. Risk resources and lives, or risk nothing and just get longer but better stuff. Sorry mate but you contradict yourself and the fact psychology disagrees with you completely. Not attacking you, just your opinon btw.
Uhh you are 100% Wrong. Sorry?
War is not an emotion. At all.
ADDITIONALLY, in Supreme Commander, wars are not waged for emotional reasons. Your entire point is based on a falsehood. Would you like to reconsider? Because as is, you are objectively wrong, and I am not saying that your opinion is wrong, but you are objectively incorrect.
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If we are to go by stratgety games alone then dawn of war 1 means i can produce roughly 500000 space marine squads in 1 second.
What...? SC produces fast because they build exponentially directly from manipulating matter. Its nothing to do with game play.
The fact is Supreme commander isn't that big of a fan base. and the fact is that it has so many holes in it and it needs to better deal with the plot. For all we know the canon things we have discussed might be changed later on.
the big problem i see is that it is theoritically impossible to form matter into metals, as we have metals, metalliods and nonmetals. you can't fashion a nonmetal into a metallic structure. it is impossible. 40k has not gone that far.
When you get the technology to manipulate matter at your whim, i doubt its that far fetched.
You ride comfortably in 40k's warp magic, yet you dismiss physics and matter? Seems like you are purposely nitpicking one side out.
The fact Remains Supreme Commander is more a Fantasy game than a sci-fi game. And I will discount it for being too fantasy. I know this post will be ripped apart because of Space Elves, Orks, and chaos daemons. But creating new matter and forging nonmetals into metals. Is insanely fantasy and that is alchemy from the midevil era.
Samething was said when people explained Gravity, Earth wasnt flat, we are made out of cells, and there is a universe out there.
Yet now we can manipulate DNA and clone things. Far fetched and fantasy? NOPE~!
Asherian Command wrote:you can't get rid of emotion mate. Emotion is always there. that would never happen it is the brain and is in the soul and cannot be controlled or destoried. it can be quelled but thats about it.
Actually you can. One faction of the Cybran want to make everyone into emotionless machines of perfect logic. The Seraphim want to kill all humans. The Aeon want to make everyone brainwashed and super-indoctrinated into the worship of the Seraphim.
Even the UEF, who does not oppose freedom or emotion, is closer to a police state where everything is maintained in a pseudo-utopia, where the intense toiling and negative emotions generated by the untold trillions of suffers in 40k required to power the chaos gods would not exist.
Then why do they commit war? War is an emotion. . If anything they wouldn't interfer. That is human emotion still. Perfect logic would dictate no war and just retreat and seeing solutions to everything peacefully which is more logical. Risk resources and lives, or risk nothing and just get longer but better stuff.
Sorry mate but you contradict yourself and the fact psychology disagrees with you completely. Not attacking you, just your opinon btw.
Uhh you are 100% Wrong. Sorry?
War is not an emotion. In Supreme Commander, wars are not waged for emotional reasons. Your entire point is based on a falsehood. Would you like to reconsider? Because as is, you are objectively wrong, and I am not saying that your opinion is wrong, but you are objectively incorrect.
then why would they commit war if there was no emotion. Emotion is always part of war. Your talking about something that is inhuman. Emotions are always in humans and other races that are humanlike. Emotions cannot be erased they are always there, you cant get rid of it. Wars are always started by Emotional reasons. President is assassinated = emotion.
From whom are unforgiven we bring the mercy of war.
I get it, this is actually "our super imagive friends" against "their super imagine friends"...
I can say only this to you ph34r and LunaHound, can your Supremme Comamnder beat this:
For Emperor and Imperium!!!! None shall stand against the Crusade of the Righteous!!! Kanluwen wrote: "I like the Tau. I just don't like people misconstruing things to say that it means that they're somehow a huge galactic threat. They're not. They're a threat to the Imperium of Man like sharks are a threat to the US Army."
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Viersche wrote:
Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
the Emperor might be the greatest psyker that ever lived, but he doesn't have the specialized training that a Grey Knight has. Also he doesn't have a Grey Knight's unshakable faith in the Emperor.
The Emperor doesn't have a GKs unshakable faith in the Emperor which is....basically himself?
Ronin wrote:
"Brother Coa (and the OP Tadashi) is like, the biggest IoM fanboy I can think of here. It's like he IS from the Imperium, sent back in time and across dimensions."
Luna has it 100%. If you think matter manipulation isn't going to be a thing, you've got another thing coming.
Supreme Commander is a relatively hard sci-fi environment. 40k is space fantasy, and even still its power level is lower. Why? Because 40k is designed to be heroic/romantic, focusing on the individuals and armies of people, not what would be logical to do to win wars.
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Brother Coa wrote:I get it, this is actually "our super imagive friends" against "their super imagine friends"...
I can say only this to you ph34r and LunaHound, can your Supremme Comamnder beat this:
At first, i was like yes, its sort of like that.
Then i realize it was posted by you, someone that did exactly what you described yourself.
Still, robot the size of 1.000.000 Milky Ways...
Try to beat that...
For Emperor and Imperium!!!! None shall stand against the Crusade of the Righteous!!! Kanluwen wrote: "I like the Tau. I just don't like people misconstruing things to say that it means that they're somehow a huge galactic threat. They're not. They're a threat to the Imperium of Man like sharks are a threat to the US Army."
"Pain is temporary, honor is forever" Emperor of Mankind:
"The day I have a sit-down with a pansy elf, magic mushroom, or commie frog is the day I put a bolt shell in my head."
in your name it shall be done" My YouTube channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/2SSSR2
Viersche wrote:
Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
the Emperor might be the greatest psyker that ever lived, but he doesn't have the specialized training that a Grey Knight has. Also he doesn't have a Grey Knight's unshakable faith in the Emperor.
The Emperor doesn't have a GKs unshakable faith in the Emperor which is....basically himself?
Ronin wrote:
"Brother Coa (and the OP Tadashi) is like, the biggest IoM fanboy I can think of here. It's like he IS from the Imperium, sent back in time and across dimensions."
Brother Coa wrote:I get it, this is actually "our super imagive friends" against "their super imagine friends"...
For yourself, yes! That is exactly what you are treating this discussion as, given that you are not using logic or reasoning or facts but rather your own love for 40k over Supreme Commander! I am so happy that you finally get it that I could hug you.
Do remember though that not all of us treat this as such. Some of us are using *facts* and *logic* in our arguments
In case you didn't get that, the someone is me and Luna, not you.
Brother Coa wrote:I can say only this to you ph34r and LunaHound, can your Supremme Comamnder beat this:
No. Obviously. Because I am not such a blind fanboy that I would say SupCom could beat a thing made of galaxies.
Unless a Supreme Commander developed the Galactic Implosion Device that the CORE create in Total Annihilation, which is in fact capable of destroying galaxies. Not that that anime has any scientific explanation for it, so it is not capable of being discussed even with "in universe" logic, because that logic is never detailed like 40k's warp's logic is.
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ph34r wrote:For yourself, yes! That is exactly what you are treating this discussion as, given that you are not using logic or reasoning or facts but rather your own love for 40k over Supreme Commander! I am so happy that you finally get it that I could hug you.
Do remember though that not all of us treat this as such. Some of us are using *facts* and *logic* in our arguments
You are right about one thing - I don't like that game, it was boring... And I used facts witch you bring down by " but SC is better, see...."...
No. Obviously. Because I am not such a blind fanboy that I would say SupCom could beat a thing made of galaxies.
Unless a Supreme Commander developed the Galactic Implosion Device that the CORE create in Total Annihilation, which is in fact capable of destroying galaxies. Not that that anime has any scientific explanation for it, so it is not capable of being discussed even with "in universe" logic, because that logic is never detailed like 40k's warp's logic is.
Like here...you said no Then you said: "but"..... So you think that SC can even beat that kind of gadget? AND you tel that I am overreacting?
There is no way Sc races can hope to defeat that kind of monster, I said that 40k wins only be numbers and God like Creatures witch SC don't have. And you said that they would win regardless because - they have tech.
WHo si a blind fanboy now? ( thank God that 20 or more people are not fanboys here )
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"Pain is temporary, honor is forever" Emperor of Mankind:
"The day I have a sit-down with a pansy elf, magic mushroom, or commie frog is the day I put a bolt shell in my head."
in your name it shall be done" My YouTube channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/2SSSR2
Viersche wrote:
Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
the Emperor might be the greatest psyker that ever lived, but he doesn't have the specialized training that a Grey Knight has. Also he doesn't have a Grey Knight's unshakable faith in the Emperor.
The Emperor doesn't have a GKs unshakable faith in the Emperor which is....basically himself?
Ronin wrote:
"Brother Coa (and the OP Tadashi) is like, the biggest IoM fanboy I can think of here. It's like he IS from the Imperium, sent back in time and across dimensions."
Brother Coa wrote:I can say only this to you ph34r and LunaHound, can your Supremme Comamnder beat this:
No. Obviously. Because I am not such a blind fanboy that I would say SupCom could beat a thing made of galaxies.
Unless a Supreme Commander developed the Galactic Implosion Device that the CORE create in Total Annihilation, which is in fact capable of destroying galaxies. Not that that anime has any scientific explanation for it, so it is not capable of being discussed even with "in universe" logic, because that logic is never detailed like 40k's warp's logic is.
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ph34r wrote:Luna has it 100%. If you think matter manipulation isn't going to be a thing, you've got another thing coming.
Supreme Commander is a relatively hard sci-fi environment. 40k is space fantasy, and even still its power level is lower. Why? Because 40k is designed to be heroic/romantic, focusing on the individuals and armies of people, not what would be logical to do to win wars.
Once again, we are speaking about nigh infinite production capabilities merely trough the ability to quickly convert energy into all kinds of matter and vice versa.
The exponential growth in production that this single technological advantage enables, renders all the initial advantages of pure manpower that the Imperium of Man possesses temporary at best.
The warp, daemons, necrons, psykers all are very nice and powerful but i cannot imagine them having any chance at all against entire converted starsystems ( and ultimately more )worth of warmachines.
With nearly unlimited energy ( and therefore mass in the sc verse ) comming from a system's star even the consumption of every single planet within a solar system wouldn't mean
the cessation of production.
Once such a warmachine grinds into gear it is virtualy unbeatable, at least within the context of the discussed universes.
Of course this is all highly hypothetical since the SC games never truly explore the extreme possibilities that their technologies offer, but it think might be worth a consideration.
Just remember that this is ALL of 40K, not just the Imperium.
If we were to make the universes collide, and we only talk about the Imperium, then SC would have to take on ALL 1000 SM chapters, ALL Titan Legions, plus the billions upon billions of Guardsmen. Not to mention all the fleets of ships.
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Brother Coa wrote:Like here...you said no Then you said: "but"..... So you think that SC can even beat that kind of gadget? AND you tel that I am overreacting?
There is no way Sc races can hope to defeat that kind of monster, I said that 40k wins only be numbers and God like Creatures witch SC don't have. And you said that they would win regardless because - they have tech.
It would be a huge stretch to make enough Galactic Implosion Devices and maneuver them to all of the galaxies to implode them all.
Then again it is impossible to say as Gurran Laggan does not have any sort of scientific explanation or consistency so it is quite impossible to discuss.
Brother Coa wrote:WHo si a blind fanboy now? ( thank God that 20 or more people are not fanboys here )
The irony here is that the 20 voters are the fanboys, you being the fanboy king.
Please, explain to me how I am the fanboy.
Let's check the facts:
Me:
Played 40k and read this forum since 2005, has a half dozen armies, has read many of the books between then and now and a huge amount of lexicanum
Literally playing the xbox 360 game Space Marine right now Has knowledge of both 40k and SupCom, so is able to compare them without bias
You:
Played 40k for less time
Posted on this forum for less time
Zero knowledge of SupCom
By all means not only should I be the "40k fanboy" here, but I am also the more logical to have an unbiased opinion on the two universes.
You lose buddy. Just give it up?
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The Polito form is dead, insect. Are you afraid? What is it you fear? The end of your trivial existence?
When the history of my glory is written, your species shall only be a footnote to my magnificence.
Brother Coa wrote:Still, robot the size of 1.000.000 Milky Ways...
Try to beat that...
You see, i like TTGL, but im not going to be blind over it.
To answer you, its situational. Because the robot the size of milkyway can in theory annihilate 40k and SC in a flash,
40k can argue the emperor can use psychic power and kill the pilot.
and SC can argue anyone can jump gate onto the pilot and killing him instantly.
The fact in the story is still, size aside the core is still a human.
ph34r wrote:Luna has it 100%. If you think matter manipulation isn't going to be a thing, you've got another thing coming.
Supreme Commander is a relatively hard sci-fi environment. 40k is space fantasy, and even still its power level is lower. Why? Because 40k is designed to be heroic/romantic, focusing on the individuals and armies of people, not what would be logical to do to win wars.
Once again, we are speaking about nigh infinite production capabilities merely trough the ability to quickly convert energy into all kinds of matter and vice versa.
The exponential growth in production that this single technological advantage enables, renders all the initial advantages of pure manpower that the Imperium of Man possesses temporary at best.
The warp, daemons, necrons, psykers all are very nice and powerful but i cannot imagine them having any chance at all against entire converted starsystems ( and ultimately more )worth of warmachines.
With nearly unlimited energy ( and therefore mass in the sc verse ) comming from a system's star even the consumption of every single planet within a solar system wouldn't mean
the cessation of production.
Once such a warmachine grinds into gear it is virtualy unbeatable, at least within the context of the discussed universes.
Of course this is all highly hypothetical since the SC games never truly explore the extreme possibilities that their technologies offer, but it think might be worth a consideration.
Except that daemon just come back, over and over. There is only so much matter, but there is infinite warp space.
im2randomghgh wrote:Except that daemon just come back, over and over. There is only so much matter, but there is infinite warp space.
The Necrons have proven that it is possible to destroy the Warp using material means (Cadian Pylons).
Even if the Daemons can come back forever, which they can't without summoning, which said summoning would be impossible in a Supreme Commander society, a SupCom's army can defeat them every time, making them a mere nuisance.
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The Polito form is dead, insect. Are you afraid? What is it you fear? The end of your trivial existence?
When the history of my glory is written, your species shall only be a footnote to my magnificence.
telling that some random faction can defeat creatures that are not bond by laws of psysics and that eat Stars to survive. I am done here...
. If anything they wouldn't interfer. That is human emotion still. Perfect logic would dictate no war and just retreat and seeing solutions to everything peacefully which is more logical. Risk resources and lives, or risk nothing and just get longer but better stuff.
For Emperor and Imperium!!!! 
"Pain is temporary, honor is forever" 
in your name it shall be done" 
