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Breotan wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Breotan wrote:I got my five.

Interesting approach - order five in the hope that once you've gone through each of the packs you'll have enough non-miscast pieces to make a complete model.

lol. I'm far too mercenary to do that.

Hell order 5, by the time you get 5 perfect ones you will have at least 20 miscasts to fix prime and put on ebay.

It is 'only' $33US!

Andrew1975 wrote:

Breotan wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Breotan wrote:I got my five.

Interesting approach - order five in the hope that once you've gone through each of the packs you'll have enough non-miscast pieces to make a complete model.

lol. I'm far too mercenary to do that.

Hell order 5, by the time you get 5 perfect ones you will have at least 20 miscasts to fix prime and put on ebay.

In the past, I've been asked to send direct order figures back to GW before they'd issue a replacement.

I was interested until I saw it had a beaky helmet.

I really, really hate beaky helmets.

Also, we're still making Finecast jokes?

Well he is supposed to be a beaky, that's all there was at the time. He'd be even more inaccurate with a Mk 7 helmet.

Beakies are the best. I'm most excited for the beakie with vents.

My CF Deathwatch member is going to be MACK PHLY.

20 GBP
33 USD (20.98 GBP)
39 CAD (20.94 GBP)
26 EUR (21.84 GBP)
55 AUS (22.31 GBP)
-edit- These all seem kind of in the same ballpark, within 10%... but...

64 NZ (33.50 GBP) NZ pays over +50%
4500 YEN (37.28 GBP) and Japan is nearly +80%...

Could be worse I guess... Though even at 40 Teef (CAD) - for a single LE model is too much IMHO.

ArmorOfContempt wrote:
Also, we're still making Finecast jokes?

Until it reaches a state where the QC is such that it cannot be the butt of jokes, yes.

keezus wrote:55 AUS (22.31 GBP)
-edit- These all seem kind of in the same ballpark, within 10%... but...

Check your converter:

$55AUD = £37.07

Slugged for no good reason.

puma713 wrote:

ArmorOfContempt wrote:
Also, we're still making Finecast jokes?

Until it reaches a state where the QC is such that it cannot be the butt of jokes, yes.

Be mindful his screen name is armor of contempt. Therefore he must defend Finecast seeing as there is so much contempt for it.....or does that mean his armor is made of finecast?

Whatever it's made of, it's a gleaming shade of pure bright white.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Whatever it's made of, it's a gleaming shade of pure bright white.

Yes but is it bubbly and malformed?

H.B.M.C. wrote:Whatever it's made of, it's a gleaming shade of pure bright white.

That's just the release agents

I'm guessing I'm luckly that may Finecast models have been beyond par and with no massive failures (besides a broken axe on Astorath, probably my fault though)

if so I hope my luck holds out

Andrew1975 wrote:

puma713 wrote:

ArmorOfContempt wrote:
Also, we're still making Finecast jokes?

Until it reaches a state where the QC is such that it cannot be the butt of jokes, yes.

Be mindful his screen name is armor of contempt. Therefore he must defend Finecast seeing as there is so much contempt for it.....or does that mean his armor is made of finecast?

Just looking at the signature. It sounds remarkably like a certain other poster who hasn't been around on the forums for a few weeks now, perhaps since ArmorOfContempt first posted?

Regarding the special edition miniature, I think it's an interesting example of how the 40k universe has changed over the years.

Look at the original artwork, and what springs to mind? Probably the first word that enters my head is 'desperation'. You just know it's their last stand, the enemy is closing in and all of those guys are going to die. It's implicit in the way they are standing, almost all leaning back, the grimaces on their faces. But they are fighting on - I remember ADB making this particular point on his blog, that the cover of Rogue Trader is a microcosm of the ethos of the 40k universe. The slow, painful slide of humanity towards it's own destruction; kicking, flailing, and making an awful mess as it goes.

Now look at the miniature - absolutely none of this has been carried across. Now I realise the guy in the picture is part of a larger diorama, but if you imagine that miniature picked up and put in his place, it would completely clash with the aspect of the painting. That isn't a criticism of the miniature, but more just an impression I get of it's character.

In fact looking at the older artwork, regardless of the quality of the pieces (which varies massively) one thing that immediately stands out is the number of dead marines in them: Fried, electrocuted, drilled full of holes, there must be dozens of them throughout first and second editions of 40k. I had stopped playing at the time, but as far as I know this trend started to change with 3rd edition and has continued to this day. To the point where it's very rare nowadays to see a marine doing anything other than smiting heroically, screaming while he fires a boltgun from each hand, Bond girl stood pouting behind him (maybe).

Look at this picture, yes I know it's nothing like the standard of other artwork (must have been difficult getting enough together to fill a book) but it serves a purpose:



Try and imagine this happening to a modern marine (not a chaos one, they dont' count), it is simply incomprehensible. It also made me think that how the artwork has become also a reflection of the lies told by the Imperium to its people within the game universe, but it has lost so much in the meantime.

Anyway, I'll stop going off topic, but yeah I think the model is a nice sculpt, and it serves to highlight how the conception of the 40k universe has changed over the years.

Pacific wrote:To the point where it's very rare nowadays to see a marine doing anything other than smiting heroically, screaming while he fires a boltgun from each hand, Bond girl stood pouting behind him (maybe).

Look at this picture, yes I know it's nothing like the standard of other artwork (must have been difficult getting enough together to fill a book) but it serves a purpose:



Try and imagine this happening to a modern marine (not a chaos one, they dont' count), it is simply incomprehensible.

Yeah, in RT, weren't marines essentially criminals in power armor? Like penal legions?

Ehsteve wrote:

keezus wrote:55 AUS (22.31 GBP)
-edit- These all seem kind of in the same ballpark, within 10%... but...

Check your converter:

$55AUD = £37.07

Slugged for no good reason.

That's more like the GW we know and love.

Ouze wrote:Yeah, in RT, weren't marines essentially criminals in power armor? Like penal legions?

I thought they were clones back then. Or was that 2nd edition?

Pacific wrote:
Try and imagine this happening to a modern marine (not a chaos one, they dont' count), it is simply incomprehensible. It also made me think that how the artwork has become also a reflection of the lies told by the Imperium to its people within the game universe, but it has lost so much in the meantime.

I think the overall 'feel' of 40k design is that the newer books are meant to have a tone of in-setting 'artifacts' more than the 'comic books with rules in them' feel of earlier works. Botha re equally valid, but the 'artifacts' style does help draw the reader into the setting as a 'participant' instead of an 'observer.'

Pacific wrote:

Wow, that is just hardcore.
I think I miss the days when GW weren't afraid of openly showing some grisliness.

Breotan wrote:

Ouze wrote:Yeah, in RT, weren't marines essentially criminals in power armor? Like penal legions?

I thought they were clones back then. Or was that 2nd edition?

Yeah kind of they were all over the place, but many of them were basically psychopaths. I don't ever remember them being clones, but they were kill crazy as all get up. Taking trophies was pretty common. The image I got was that their officers were well educated, but the basic marine was just a kill crazy maniac in powered armor.

Depending on where the chapter recruits from there are still some criminals Shrike was a hive ganger in his youth.

Kil! Kil! Kil!



Valete,

JohnS

sonofruss wrote:Depending on where the chapter recruits from there are still some criminals Shrike was a hive ganger in his youth.

And, if the DoW games are anything to go by, Assault Sgt Thaddeus of the Blood Ravens

Breotan wrote:

Ouze wrote:Yeah, in RT, weren't marines essentially criminals in power armor? Like penal legions?

I thought they were clones back then. Or was that 2nd edition?

In 1st edition Marines were men taken from the most inhospitable and unpleasant places in the galaxy, then 'chemically hardened' (remember, this is in the days before the concept of genetic engineering had become widespread amongst SF). Essentially, the concept was copied from the Sardakur in Frank Herbert's Dune, going on the principle that those with the hardest upbringing, who have had to fight each day to stay alive, will most likely make good soldiers.

So in a sense that first component has remained the same for some chapters - Space Wolves, and SonofRuss mentioned Shrike and Raven Guard spring to mind.

The concept of Marines receiving new organs and genetic engineering was introduced in one of the 40k expansion books, either compendium or compilation I always get them mixed up, towards the end of 1st edition. It was also the rule that changed marines from T3 to T4, and boy let me tell you, if there had been an internet back then, forums such as Dakka would have had rage-threads from non-SM players the likes of which you have never seen. Even back then, there was the general perception that every GW release was pandering to Marines.

But I think still 2nd edition had a similar ethos regarding marines, they are given pretty equal treatment within the background, and there are still plenty of images of them getting their ass handed to them by various other aliens. There was still that conception of the pointless death of the valiant hero.

But, I think it was 3rd edition in which things really changed. First, the poster boys for the new edition: The Black Templars, no longer hardened criminal scum given a gun. There were not the bad-ass and rather ambiguously named 'Blood Angels' of 2nd edition, who might well have been bad guys. But rather King Arthur, given power armour, a big sword and speaking "I smite thee, heathen" with a large echoing voice. At the same time, the rules simplified a great deal for 3rd edition, and I think it was obvious that GW had cottoned on to a lower age target demographic. Suddenly, the concept of a marine being anything other than a 2D comic book hero went out of the window. It is no coincidence that Ian Watson's books, with their stories of Marines eating the brains of their enemy, marines dying pointlessly, and self-flagellation were removed from GW store shelves - their very existence shunned and ridiculed by the jobsworths who were beginning to staff some of the GW stores at this time.

I will say things have gone back a little from that extreme now. In some ways, we have something of a dichotomy of the 40k universe. Some of its best writers, notably Dan Abnett and Aaron Dembski-Bowden, have commented publicly on what they perceive the 'character' of the 40k universe to be. Of what 'grim-dark' should be, that relentlessly terrible place, but at the same time the platform for individual struggles against the odds, of small pin pricks of light, and the odd injection of humour. Opposite to this, and although I'm sorry to bring it up as I know it's a point of contention, but you have something like Draigo in the Grey Knight Codex. Utterly characterless, bestriding the most inhospitable place in existence, cutting through mankinds most terrible enemy, as though he is playing a 2D shooter, then doing impromptu heart operations that would even make you cringe with embarassment if you saw it in an 80's horror movie. I'll let you guess which conception I prefer.

There is something of a gap in conception there, specifically between the best writers of BL, and the stuff that most players (and lets be honest, the younger audience) are getting to experience. Fortunately I suppose the universe has grown enough, and there are still enough talented writers on both sides of the coin, that there is enough for each of us and to pick and choose how you imagine you would like the 40k universe to be.

puma713 wrote:

ArmorOfContempt wrote:
Also, we're still making Finecast jokes?

Until it reaches a state where the QC is such that it cannot be the butt of jokes, yes.

Who says that'll do anything to stop it?

Pacific wrote:[Stuff about Marines

This is honestly one of the best posts I've ever read. Sums up Marines and GW's mentality on them through the years very, very well.

So as a thank you from GW we get to pay for a model they have released as part of their "party".

When I go to a party they don't expect me to pay for the party bag at the end.

What GW should have done was: "For one weekend if you spend X amount in store you will receive this 25th anniversary model as a gift"

Floris wrote:So as a thank you from GW we get to pay for a model they have released as part of their "party".

When I go to a party they don't expect me to pay for the party bag at the end.

Not to be mean, but many "parties" from companies where you work at them or fundraiser events at colleges, etc require you to put money into the party and it goes towards the goodybags given out at the end. It's only "private" parties(birthdays, etc) where you don't have to pay for a party bag at the end.

What GW should have done was: "For one weekend if you spend X amount in store you will receive this 25th anniversary model as a gift"

And for those who don't have a GW shop anywhere near them?

Them putting it online is the "best fit" option. While the price is a bit high, it's about the same as Harry the Hammer(an all metal Chaos Lord figure who had a metal scenic base about the same size)...and Harry only came in a shiny faux metal box. The packaging that they're doing for this one, at least, is almost nice enough to justify the price.

I'm sorry. I wasn't aware that I had to come up with a complete marketing plan for Games Workshop before I was allowed to post.

Kanluwen wrote:Not to be mean, but many "parties" from companies where you work at them or fundraiser events at colleges, etc require you to put money into the party and it goes towards the goodybags given out at the end. It's only "private" parties(birthdays, etc) where you don't have to pay for a party bag at the end.

I have seen GW compared to many things in the past but never a fundraiser.

The thing is that when I go to a fundraiser I am happy to go and pay to help whatever it is they are raising money for. GW is not raising money for a charity, they are making a profit and now to thank us (the public) for spending our money with them they are letting us spend more.

No GW shop nearby? you actually solved that one already. Put the same offer online. (free model if you spend X amount).