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Samurai_Eduh wrote:If the allies thing is true, I see it working like it does in Fantasy currently. It does not have any effect on a normal game, but if you play Apocolypse or something where you have different factions on each team, alliances effect how powers affect other team members, etc. I see the Tyranids being like the Skaven in Fantasy in this regard; they are distrusted allies for every faction in the game.

What this WILL NOT be is being able to buy units from another army for standard games. That would be ridiculous, even for GW.

Concur.

spectreoneone wrote:I knew as soon as I read this rumor, all of the Tau haters would rear their ugly heads.

"Hater" is thrown around far, far too much these days.

While I don't really believe this rumor to have one iota of truth, I would love so much to rub the importance of the Tau in the 6th fluff into the self-righteous haters faces out there.

Yes, the importance of a dynamically expanding empire which in the grand scheme of things is like if all the species of sharks in the world were to band themselves together and create the great nation of Sharktopia and declare their domain to be Wisconsin.

And, honestly, to those of you would would leave 40k because of some fluff changes, good riddance. Seriously...if you have a problem with it, go play something else. It's no different than a child throwing a tantrum because something didn't happen the way they wanted it to.

I can understand somebody being upset if the rules are changed in a way that breaks the game, but how often does the fluff affect a typical game? Besides, it even says in the 40k main rulebook that the rules, fluff, etc. are there as a guideline, and you're always free to create your own rules within your gaming group. And, in the end, you can always revert back to good ol' 5th edition, as I am sure there are still folks out there who play with the "better" previous editions. Just my 2 cents.

Some people have more interest in the background of the universe than playing tournaments. I'm one of those people, where I would far rather play a series of narrative games set up as a campaign than a bunch of tournaments.

It is a good fluff... People really dont like changes...

If a great space marine agree with that, and the news spread fast, some space marines will just leave the empire, others will give it a s****, others will do like the emperor wishes.

It is not so hard to believe, just dont make it so general... BT would never do a thing like that, DA would never do a thing like that (or maybe, if the proofs are good enough, they could decide to go that way for redemption), the Ultras? Man, those are the most powerfull space marine chapter, and they seek the word of reboute gulliman and the emperor. Iff the proofs are good enough, they could very well do it...

If good things never happen in 40k, why the age of aposthasy got finished?

And the Tau being the "untainted race", that is very plausible, look at their fluff and they hold it very well. Dont forget thay born after emperor "ascendancy", and where clear protected from the empire and from the chaos, until they "explode" as a great race.

The fluff is not horrid, there still will be chapters of space marines who dont accept to allie with xenos, all they are saying is that some chapters started to believe in something else, and started to protect one specific race. It can even be a chaos scheme... it would not be the first time.

Dont forget ultras are a powerfull, very influent chapter, and they are very proud of themselves... Some chapter master can surelly get mad with the empire, and it would hold a lot of authoriy among 70% of the space marines chapters over the empire...

And dont forget, Space Wolves are a lot smaller than that, but can hold very heretical practices, and resisted all tentatives from the inquisition to "oversee their practices".

Anyway, BoK have the habit of creating rumors, and i will not believe until i see it...

spectreoneone wrote:I knew as soon as I read this rumor, all of the Tau haters would rear their ugly heads.

While I don't really believe this rumor to have one iota of truth, I would love so much to rub the importance of the Tau in the 6th fluff into the self-righteous haters faces out there.

And, honestly, to those of you would would leave 40k because of some fluff changes, good riddance. Seriously...if you have a problem with it, go play something else. It's no different than a child throwing a tantrum because something didn't happen the way they wanted it to.

I can understand somebody being upset if the rules are changed in a way that breaks the game, but how often does the fluff affect a typical game? Besides, it even says in the 40k main rulebook that the rules, fluff, etc. are there as a guideline, and you're always free to create your own rules within your gaming group. And, in the end, you can always revert back to good ol' 5th edition, as I am sure there are still folks out there who play with the "better" previous editions. Just my 2 cents.

You're the kind of guy that gets his car trashed by a poop flinging monkey and says "I love that shade of brown and exotic smell". Just saying.

The Dwarf Wolf wrote:And the Tau being the "untainted race", that is very plausible, look at their fluff and they hold it very well.

Actually, this originated in the controversial book Xenology, where there are hints that Eldar created the Ethereal race to make Tau "immune to Chaos". And in most campaigns, Tau ally with the IoM anyway. Not saying that the BoK rumours are true though.

A lot of people play the game solely for fluff and theme. Changing the fluff that much would be a big blow.

This fluff change is awful. All of these are dumb and hopefully none of them happen.

Tau is one of my three armies (Necrons, Tau, & Orks).

Kanluwen wrote:
And apparently we've reached the Ward Point.

Phil Kelly was one of the guys who "kept it a static universe"--and he's been changing it for years.
Andy Chambers was one of the guys who "created that static universe", and he changed it plenty while he was still with the company.

I could go on and on and on--but the point is that what Ward is doing has been done by those people who you obviously venerate.
Was it done so blatantly in some cases? Certainly not.

But let's not forget that Kelly wrote about an Ork destroying a Titan by crashing a motorcycle through it.

And, Kan, I called those guys out on their bs too. (though Chambers bs is at least of a slightly higher grade then Ward, though not by a lot)


I was making broad generalizations for humorous effect. Because frankly, I'm trying not to laugh my ass off at the moment; it's fun to see, almost to a poster, hypocrites whine and bitch about the possibility of them changing fluff, who told me to STFU when I bitched about changing the fluff to Battlefleet Gothic.

It's like laser guided karma. The only way it could be better is if GW announces the first 6th edition codex will be Codex: Female Loyalist Chaos Grey Knights by Matt Ward and CS Goto! Then I'll be able to drink the sweet, sweet tears of all those fat beards weeping into their rulebooks!

Bwa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!

LET THE GALAXY BURN!

I think it is better to wait and see something concrete before we all get in a huff because of rumored changes.

darknightwing wrote:I think it is better to wait and see something concrete before we all get in a huff because of rumored changes.

That's exactly the greatness of Rumours forum! We love or hate things that 80% times are not happening! We grow hatred against the rumoured next overpowered army and when new units or books really come to stores (finally not so overpowered), we discharge this fury against them, throwing dices to wound as we would throw napalm over our enemy's minis. And when the last foe is dead, we shout "Where is your new super salvation roll now????". Of course your friend, who didn't read that rumour 8 months ago, doesn't know what are you talking about...


About people not liking changes... I think every 40k player has his own idea of where should go the fluff, so very likely it won't happen as desired.

garrapignado wrote:... throwing dices to wound as we would throw napalm over our enemy's minis.

Sadly, that is both a war crime AND gets a serious deduction to your sportsmanship score...

Lots of self denial ITT


Edit: The rules for allies is way overdue in 40k but the way they're explaining it in the fluff is laugh out loud bad. Warhammer's brand has always been on "grmmness" and seeing GW shoe horn Space Marines and Tau into actually being best buds is hilariously Saturday Morning Cartoons.

BaronIveagh wrote:It's like laser guided karma. The only way it could be better is if GW announces the first 6th edition codex will be Codex: Female Loyalist Chaos Grey Knights by Matt Ward and CS Goto! Then I'll be able to drink the sweet, sweet tears of all those fat beards weeping into their rulebooks!

I would buy that army!

Kanluwen wrote:

spectreoneone wrote:I knew as soon as I read this rumor, all of the Tau haters would rear their ugly heads.

"Hater" is thrown around far, far too much these days.

While I don't really believe this rumor to have one iota of truth, I would love so much to rub the importance of the Tau in the 6th fluff into the self-righteous haters faces out there.

Yes, the importance of a dynamically expanding empire which in the grand scheme of things is like if all the species of sharks in the world were to band themselves together and create the great nation of Sharktopia and declare their domain to be Wisconsin.

And, honestly, to those of you would would leave 40k because of some fluff changes, good riddance. Seriously...if you have a problem with it, go play something else. It's no different than a child throwing a tantrum because something didn't happen the way they wanted it to.

I can understand somebody being upset if the rules are changed in a way that breaks the game, but how often does the fluff affect a typical game? Besides, it even says in the 40k main rulebook that the rules, fluff, etc. are there as a guideline, and you're always free to create your own rules within your gaming group. And, in the end, you can always revert back to good ol' 5th edition, as I am sure there are still folks out there who play with the "better" previous editions. Just my 2 cents.

Some people have more interest in the background of the universe than playing tournaments. I'm one of those people, where I would far rather play a series of narrative games set up as a campaign than a bunch of tournaments.

I'm going to clarify a bit...I let my frustration get the better of me in that post (just kind of fed up with people saying "I'm going to quit the game if [insert race X here] gets special treatment). I am not a tournament 40k player, nor is my Tau army built to be a competitive army. I chose my armies based upon how they look, and how the play, not necessarily what their backgrounds are. That aside, I recognize that folks play armies because of their background. The problem I have with folks getting bent out of shape about these rumored changes is the fact that they think that alliances are static, or that an army like the Tau doesn't "deserve" to steal the limelight away from the IoM, Chaos, etc. I think that dynaism in the story should be encouraged. With things like the impending failure of the Golden Throne, the IoM's own xenophobia, and the growing power of other races, I think it's good and right for the Xenos to steal the spotlight in 6th. Some of us get tired of the status quo, and GW has to keep the game interesting, or it will get stale.

All of that aside, the biggest point I make is that it is childish to say "I'm going to quit 40k" because of fluff changes. Just because GW's fluff changes, doesn't mean that you have to bring that into your group's canon. 40k, and miniature wargames like it, thrive on the creativity of its players. You don't have to accept the changes, you just continue using your old minatures, buy up the new ones, use the new rules if you want, or keep using the old ones. The game is really what you make of it. That's why I get so upset when people throw tantrums over things like this. There are ways to enjoy the game without accepting the changes you don't like. But, in my opinion, change is good, and I think 40k needs more of it.

Ravenous D wrote:
You're the kind of guy that gets his car trashed by a poop flinging monkey and says "I love that shade of brown and exotic smell". Just saying.

I think a better analogy is that "if life gives you lemons, make lemonade." Just because change happens, doesn't mean it's bad.

Edit: grammar.

evilsponge wrote:Lots of self denial ITT


Edit: The rules for allies is way overdue in 40k but the way they're explaining it in the fluff is laugh out loud bad. Warhammer's brand has always been on "grmmness" and seeing GW shoe horn Space Marines and Tau into actually being best buds is hilariously Saturday Morning Cartoons.

It is almost as if you actually think these rumors have a snowball's chance of being true!

Since I'm not 5 years old, I have a hard time believing anything that starts with, "OMG".

Moopy wrote:Since I'm not 5 years old, I have a hard time believing anything that starts with, "OMG".

Ditto that, except in my case it's things that begin with 'Subject:' or 'Re:'

I will only belive this kind of bul@¢¤!%it when someone will give where he had taken is "sources"....

Yeeaaaaah.... I'm going to file this set of rumors under BS. This is about as likely as an official crossover where the Inquisition is revealed to be Cobra in disguise and the emperor is really Serpentor.

Sidstyler wrote:You have to, H. Your Spiritual Liege commands it.

Mat Ward?

I could live with all of these changes save the random charge length, and buying buildings. Perhaps the building thing for a campaign like system, but for normal games I just don't see it, and it's doubtful tournaments would allow it anyway.

If, IF these rumors are on target, we have a lot to be thankful for.

We should be thankful that someone had the balls to leak the playtest HereticHammer. We should be thankful that it was seen far and wide, and generally accepted as being a pretty good rough draft. We should be thankful that GW pulled the hell out of the tournament scene, letting indie stores run HereticHammer as they damn well please.

Overall, nothing to be too scared of in either case. Personally? I believe Tasty is being an obnoxious link bait troll right now.

Redemption wrote:Allies would completely screw over any sense of 'balance' 40k had. Remember when IG could take Daemonhunter Inquisitors with unlimited range Ld10 psychic hoods and anti-deepstrike Mystics? Now imagine that with every army capable of taking the strongest units from other codexes to cover their weaknesses.

So in effect tournament players will love it...

"Hey what do you play?"
"Tau Angels, 9 broadsides, mephiston, 50 jump marines, and a couple priests."

Hückleberry wrote:"Hey what do you play?"
"Tau Angels, 9 broadsides, mephiston, 50 jump marines, and a couple priests."

Mephiston is already allied with his homie Imotekh the Stormlord. Together they'll bring the Imperium to its knees!

spectreoneone wrote:I think a better analogy is that "if life gives you lemons, make lemonade." Just because change happens, doesn't mean it's bad.

Not all change is bad, I agree.

That fluff? That's freaking Chris Metzen levels of bad. Look at it:

"The Tau are the secret to beating back Chaos"

Are you frelling kidding me? The little punks with no warp travel, living in basically an isolated pocket, with no psychic defense what so ever, are the keys to beating back Chaos?

Or there's the one from the second PowerThirst ad:

"When God gives you lemons you find a new god!!!"

Why would they need a psychic defense? They put the greater good before themselves. How would the Chaos gods corrupt them? All those pleasures we take for granted, and to excess all to frequently, the Tau do not typically do. I think the Chaos gods don't want to expend the energy to corrupt something that tends to be more selfless than other species of the galaxy. There is all to little fluff on the Tau, but aside from a couple "rumors" and Imperial dogma there is nothing saying that Tau can be corrupted in the same manner as other denizens of the universe.

derek wrote:

Sidstyler wrote:You have to, H. Your Spiritual Liege commands it.

Mat Ward?

I could live with all of these changes save the random charge length, and buying buildings. Perhaps the building thing for a campaign like system, but for normal games I just don't see it, and it's doubtful tournaments would allow it anyway.

It would save TOs the problem of having to put terrain on every board? I've said it in the past that I would like to see terrain as part of your army selection, How often do you see impassable water features on the boards? IG players with Chimeras would love to see those. Kroot looking for woods? You would never have to cross your fingers and hope when you can take them with you.

YMMV

Cheers

Andrew

AndrewC wrote:

derek wrote:I could live with all of these changes save the random charge length, and buying buildings. Perhaps the building thing for a campaign like system, but for normal games I just don't see it, and it's doubtful tournaments would allow it anyway.

It would save TOs the problem of having to put terrain on every board? I've said it in the past that I would like to see terrain as part of your army selection, How often do you see impassable water features on the boards? IG players with Chimeras would love to see those.

That's exactly why they shouldn't get them. The last thing the SAFH needs is a moat.

Awesome! l can take allies! *looks down at tyranid codex* FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU