BoK TastyTaste rumours about 40k 6th edition

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**gorgon**

Well, in the pancake edition, you could "buy" buildings and obstacles if you lost the bid for first turn. The document also references a missing narrative section. It's not unreasonable to assume rules for buying buildings and allies could be in such a section (and thus would probably be something not recommended for tourney play).

Again, I think the fluff stuff alone raises some major question marks. But the rules rumors could be accurate in the right context.

**BaronIveagh**

tobi-nid-guy wrote:Awesome! l can take allies! *looks down at tyranid codex* FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

I'd sure the nids will get some uber rule that makes allies unnecessary. Like every single unit getting 'Without Number' or something. I'm sure SoB will get squat (pun intended).

Personally, it would be nice to see the plot advance some. I mean, frankly, how long have we been fighting the 13th Black Crusade? It's been won, lost, and ended in a stalemate. GW actually had to cheat Chaos players to keep Failbaddon from storming out of the Eye and swallowing up the IoM by double counting Imperial wins in the BFG part of that one. (Having learned the lesson, I guess, of the Empire in Flames campaign for fantasy that, well.... did just what it says in the title and ended with the death of Karl Franz and the destruction of the Empire. Man did THAT get retconned fast!)

**Avariel**

I am hoping this is not true.

More randomness is what people really didn't like about 8th edition Fantasy. Random charge distances are one of the most complained about issues with 8th edition Fantasy after the way to random magic phase. Random battle effects sounds like it would be terrible.

Purchasing fortifications and buildings sounds like fun. More deployments and missions will keep things interesting.

Allies seems terribad. Hard to balance. There are some pretty silly combinations like blood angel librarian with fear the darkness and imperial guard psyker battle squad that just are not fun.

**AndrewC**

AlexHolker wrote:That's exactly why they shouldn't get them. The last thing the SAFH needs is a moat.

Okay valid viewpoint, but why should one persons advantage be discounted in favour of anothers?

Cheers

Andrew

**AgeOfEgos**

Allies and over watch?

Fondly remembers Space Wolf Terminators Assault Cannon dice with pop up Overwatch Eldar Grav Tanks. Ok, maybe not fondly--but I do remember.

**dæl**

It has been said, but that fluff is beyond terrible.

As is pretty much everything else in these rumours.

It all seems like a troll, what with the ba-necron allies reference and grey knights getting to choose powers, its almost as if it's intention is to breed hatred.

**Sunde**

What army do you play?
Tau Knights - I'm rolling deep with Broadsides, Crysis Suits, Crowe, Purifiers, and Psyflemen Dreads!

As much fun as it would be to toss some GK protection into my Tau (And OMG I'd love it for a while) I dont see this happening at all. I would like to see limited ally choices though, like others have said similar to Fantasy.
Random Charge distance would be gakky, and random effects sound nifty (On a 4+ an earthquake happens on turn 5 and everything on the board suffers D6 S3 wounds, vehicles suffer glancing hits on 5+ with a -3 modifier instead of -2) and buying terrain sounds fun as well. I still highly doubt any of this is true - as is the norm with me and rumors so there is no need to get bent out of shape on them.

**Red Corsair**

AgeOfEgos wrote:Allies and over watch?

Fondly remembers Space Wolf Terminators Assault Cannon dice with pop up Overwatch Eldar Grav Tanks. Ok, maybe not fondly--but I do remember.

Yea, 2nd edition was pretty awful. That was before power gamers were around too. Some rules were left with great reason.

**ShumaGorath**

This rumor can't be anything but a simple troll. It hits every right mark.

-Specific mention of rouboute guiliman and retcons for BL stuff
-Space marines leaving the imperium for the tau
-Allies with specific mention of blood angels+necrons and a further nerf for tyranids
-random charge distance, the most reviled feature of fantasy
-Repetitious mention of the fakeness of the previous popular rules leak rumor
-Further implied buffs for grey knights

This was practically lifted from 4chan.

Either GW rules writers are a trollish and suicidal lot or this is just elaborate trollish bs meant to draw traffic away from BoWs elaborate bs.

40k blogs are bs

**Kilkrazy**

evilsponge wrote:Lots of self denial ITT

Edit: The rules for allies is way overdue in 40k but the way they're explaining it in the fluff is laugh out loud bad. Warhammer's brand has always been on "grmmness" and seeing GW shoe horn Space Marines and Tau into actually being best buds is hilariously Saturday Morning Cartoons.

Don't tempt Fate.

GW markets the HHHobby to 12 year olds rather than veterans.

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I don't see a problem with random charge distance. We already have random movement distance for any unit moving through cover or running.

It would make assaulting less powerful, which would be a good thing.

**ShumaGorath**

I don't see a problem with random charge distance. We already have random movement distance for any unit moving through cover or running.

Which is awful. Random charge distances wouldn't even have the rough logic of "that forest is slowing them down". It's just a purely random element with no justification. I have a change of missing with a sword swing or a bullet, but I know how fast I can run, it's not going to have a multiple of six variance. I don't just sometimes decide to run backwards when I'm trying to go as fast as I can.

It would make assaulting less powerful, which would be a good thing.

Assaulting is already weak, thats why the most powerful armies in the game are the ones with the cheapest access to the most numerous heavy weapons (guard, GKs, IG). It's also why the dedicated assault armies can't really ever seem to place well in tournies (excepting orks).

**Agamemnon2**

Man, that Portent archive makes me long for the days of ancient past. Things were better then. No forums, no chatrooms or bloggers stirring up crap. The future was a mystery then, and what a mystery it was.

**H.B.M.C.**

ShumaGorath wrote:This was practically lifted from 4chan.

I have a whole stack of "rumours" from a while back. Quite extensive actually. Went into great detail about the future of 40K. You know why I never posted them? They were a 4Channer's wet dream, that's why. Endless mentions of killing Guilliman and Calgar, decimation of the Ultramarines and loads of other typical (and typically boring) /tg/-esque Ultramarine hate (plus a lot of stuff dealing with how Ward was off contract and no longer writing books). Oh sure there were loads of interesting concepts, but it was so burdened by the big axe it was attempting to grind that it was just completely unbelievable.

**Agamemnon2**

Frankly, any change is preferable to stagnation. I'd like to see something, anything happen to the game, instead of another round of small and ultimately arbitrary rules tweaks.

The rules are literally the least interesting thing about 40k.

**Sidstyler**

Doesn't sound too different from all the SM fanboys saying Tau should be wiped out by the Imperium and effectively Squatted.

Agamemnon2 wrote:The rules are literally the least interesting thing about 40k.

And making 40k 6th more like WHF 8th would be the deathblow, in my opinion.

**H.B.M.C.**

Sidstyler wrote:Doesn't sound too different from all the SM fanboys saying Tau should be wiped out by the Imperium and effectively Squatted.

You're just annoyed 'cause we're right.

**Smitty0305**

Dont think any of this is true

**Kingsley**

Now, as I said earlier, I don't believe these rumors. That said, I'll point out that selecting powers during deployment is a buff, not a nerf, and hence would benefit everybody that wasn't Grey Knights. My Space Marine Librarian would love to be able to choose which powers he uses based on the opponent-- Null Zone, for instance, is incredibly great against some opponents and outright worthless against others, but with this change I could bring it out against Dæmons and swap for something else against, say, Mech IG.

**Agamemnon2**

Sidstyler wrote:And making 40k 6th more like WHF 8th would be the deathblow, in my opinion.

And that alone would create an interesting metagame dynamic. Communities and tournaments would be free to do their own thing, people could even write their own iterations and additions to whatever edition of the rules they liked (I'd favor the 6E forgery, myself). Other games would have a golden opportunity to grow their own business, the balance and market shares of the whole industry could shift in countless hard-to-predict, and above all, interesting ways.

i'm not advocating that 40k go down the drain because I want to see things be destroyed. I'd welcome it because of the precise opposite, because things would get created.

**KarlPedder**

Ah I love it....this, this wouldn't happen because it doesn't fit my vision of what 40k is.....

**ShumaGorath**

And that alone would create an interesting metagame dynamic. Communities and tournaments would be free to do their own thing, people could even write their own iterations and additions to whatever edition of the rules they liked (I'd favor the 6E forgery, myself). Other games would have a golden opportunity to grow their own business, the balance and market shares of the whole industry could shift in countless hard-to-predict, and above all, interesting ways.

And the whole thing would collapse rapidly due to a lack of uniformity, eventually becoming the least interesting thing possible. Something that doesn't exist.

**Agamemnon2**

People are always going on about how nothing's better than GW, so I guess we'd at least find out if they were right.

My money's on nothing.

**ShumaGorath**

Agamemnon2 wrote:People are always going on about how nothing's better than GW, so I guess we'd at least find out if they were right.

My money's on nothing.

Ask battletech fans.

**Agamemnon2**

I would, but really, liking Battletech is punishment enough for those people, they don't need the added aggravation of talking to me about it.

**H.B.M.C.**

So you've got a beef with BattleTech as well Aggy? Waitaminute - it's you, our own resident Eeyore. Finding something you like is next to impossible...

**Valkyrie**

Redemption wrote:
The Imperium is fracturing and the Space Marines are starting to separate themselves from the Lords of Terra. The heretical and xenophobia has gotten to a tipping point causing many chapters to take actions against the “best wishes” of many in the Imperium.

A discovery of galactic importance has happened.

At a time before right before the Horus Heresy the Emperor had intrusted Roboute Guilliman in the protection of one Xenos race that was completely immune the temptations of Chaos and would prove the ultimate key to the destruction of Chaos. The Horus Heresy ended such plans. Fast forward today with discovery of these lost correspondences, it is believed by the Ultramarines and others that the Tau are that lost race. So now instead of being charge with their destruction the Astartes are the Tau protectors.

**Agamemnon2**

H.B.M.C. wrote:So you've got a beef with BattleTech as well Aggy? Waitaminute - it's you, our own resident Eeyore. Finding something you like is next to impossible...

Bollocks. Exhibit A.

Agamemnon2 wrote:These are rather nice. £2 each for regular grunts is competitive with FW's £36-for-10 Infernal Guard, and especially the Royal Guard look very nicely sculpted, as do the command bits and the characters (the handweapon and shield guys are a bit less good, but still workable, certainly with a little creative gizmology.

Bonus points for the dwarf woman who is easily the best single sculpt in the range, IMHO, though the facial detail on the pistol-armed hero is also very nice. I'd like to see their sculptor doing more faces and less helmets, since he clearly can do the former better than the latter.

That's me on the Titan Wargames' new dwarves range.

Exhibit B.

Agamemnon2 wrote:So far, the only thing I don't really like are the Scourge drop ships, and even those just look weird as opposed to fugly, so a strong start for the challenger, I guess.

That's me on Dropzone Commander.

Care to rework your assessment, or shall I simply consider my honor impugned?

**H.B.M.C.**

I'm actually more interested in your derision for BTech then your attempts to defend your "honour".

**Agamemnon2**

I see. Tough.

**Bavius**

I don't know guys, maybe its in, maybe its not. But I don't like it.