What playable faction do you dislike the most?

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**Eidolon**

Farseer Mael Dannan wrote:I think it comes down to a few things, but mainly two. One is that the general consensus seems to be that their fluff was changed for the worse. People don't really like them in the current iteration, and their overall popularity at the FLGS makes it even worse as they should be one of the more rare sights in the universe. The second would be that they are the people abused the most in the tournament seen. All armies can be fun to play with and play against, but it's all about not bringing those net lists and using your own brain to think of what you want to play. If you are just a mindless follower of the internet and win because of it, I think it generates a lot of hate. Since GK are one of the only people who can reliably do this, the hate goes to them and and the player equally.

I disagree with this entirely. As someone who plays gk, I am happy to say that one of the more interesting factions got an actually good codex, one that isnt total garbage. And furthermore, people have been sobbing tears over this 'netlisters' boogie man for years. Good players dont lose to netlists, which is proven because the same guys seem to do well in every tournament they enter.

**Farseer Mael Dannan**

Eidolon wrote:
I disagree with this entirely. As someone who plays gk, I am happy to say that one of the more interesting factions got an actually good codex, one that isnt total garbage. And furthermore, people have been sobbing tears over this 'netlisters' boogie man for years. Good players dont lose to netlists, which is proven because the same guys seem to do well in every tournament they enter.

I was not stating that those were my personal opinions about GK, I was explaining to him why they had 20%+ of the vote...since he asked why all the GK hate. The reason I gave is exactly why there is GK hate, whether you agree with it or not is your own stance. I like them better than a lot of other races and think that they are cool. It is noted by their abundance in the tournament scene that they do have a lot more power behind them than some other Codex, but they are also still one of the newest SM codex released so this makes sense.

**Eidolon**

Oh, well fair enough

**KewlImp**

Haven't been playing that long... well two games total a 2k with a borrowed DE army and a 500 point with my DA army. I don't hate one or other and its because hate is too much effort. So far, fluff wise, I think it would have to be... I don't know.

**SlaveToDorkness**

Chaos Daemons. The idea that they are on the material plane often enough to warrant an entire codex (especially with no mortal forces to instigate their summoning represented) and they just smacked of cash grab from Chaos players. Plus all the artwork is Blanche. I've seen grade school artwork with more attention to proportion and detail. The whole book literally makes me nauseous to even flip through.

**ZebioLizard2**

SlaveToDorkness wrote:Chaos Daemons. The idea that they are on the material plane often enough to warrant an entire codex (especially with no mortal forces to instigate their summoning represented) and they just smacked of cash grab from Chaos players. Plus all the artwork is Blanche. I've seen grade school artwork with more attention to proportion and detail. The whole book literally makes me nauseous to even flip through.

Would chaos Daemons really care about Proportion? It's like the old daemons in the older books about christian demons and various "evil" types of gods that looked unearthly compared to others.

Sisters going from fanatical nuns in space being turned into magical nuns in space was stupid.

They've always been, they even had a faith mechanic back when they were introduced in 2nd edition. Though far different from todays, they also had the saints and all the other sort of things...

**vossyvo**

Hating Orks with some of these other factions around is like asking your most hated food to eat and picking chocolate when 4 flavours of dog turd are available as options.

**Veteran Sergeant**

ZebioLizard2 wrote:
Sisters going from fanatical nuns in space being turned into magical nuns in space was stupid.

They've always been, they even had a faith mechanic back when they were introduced in 2nd edition. Though far different from todays, they also had the saints and all the other sort of things...

Negative Ghostrider. Need to go back and read that 2E book again. The Sacred Rites were rituals and chants that whipped up the Sisters and applied various psychological effects. Frenzy, Hatred, Immune to Fear, +1 Ld, etc. The only remotely magical effect was to give them a save against psychic attacks but it was explained as a mental block, not a faith based shield. There was nothing magical about the Sisters. No suddenly getting magically stronger or faster, no magically havin AP1 shots, no magically having an invulnerable save.

Nope. The Sisters of 2E were just loony religious fanatics who foolishly worshiped a withered psychic vegetable. The new ones are granted magical powers from their god, who isn't actually a god, and wno refused to be venerated as such when he was alive.

Like my sig says, it's like Khorne granting his powers to someone who planted fields of flowers simply because they were utterly convinced that Khorne was the Chaos God of Botany.

**Eidolon**

SlaveToDorkness wrote:Chaos Daemons. The idea that they are on the material plane often enough to warrant an entire codex (especially with no mortal forces to instigate their summoning represented) and they just smacked of cash grab from Chaos players. Plus all the artwork is Blanche. I've seen grade school artwork with more attention to proportion and detail. The whole book literally makes me nauseous to even flip through.

I agree and disagree. I feel that demons should have been a larger part of the chaos marine book, and that there should have been rules for a demon heavy force in that codex. And yeah, I am not a fan of Blanche's work. On the other hand, their in game mechanics make for a really unique army, and the way the models look means you can create a really good looking army with a lot of variety. If I was going to build an army purely to paint, it would be demons.

**Ignatius**

vossyvo wrote:Hating Orks with some of these other factions around is like asking your most hated food to eat and picking chocolate when 4 flavours of dog turd are available as options.

Why does it seem that the ork supporters are one of the biggest complainers of others opinions?

**vossyvo**

Im a BA and Ultramarine player

, and I understand why people hate us. I don't mind that people hate orks as well I just think its a strange decision lol.

**Matt.Kingsley**

Veteran Sergeant wrote:
ZebioLizard2 wrote:
Sisters going from fanatical nuns in space being turned into magical nuns in space was stupid.

They've always been, they even had a faith mechanic back when they were introduced in 2nd edition. Though far different from todays, they also had the saints and all the other sort of things...

Negative Ghostrider. Need to go back and read that 2E book again. The Sacred Rites were rituals and chants that whipped up the Sisters and applied various psychological effects. Frenzy, Hatred, Immune to Fear, +1 Ld, etc. The only remotely magical effect was to give them a save against psychic attacks but it was explained as a mental block, not a faith based shield. There was nothing magical about the Sisters. No suddenly getting magically stronger or faster, no magically havin AP1 shots, no magically having an invulnerable save.

Nope. The Sisters of 2E were just loony religious fanatics who foolishly worshiped a withered psychic vegetable. The new ones are granted magical powers from their god, who isn't actually a god, and wno refused to be venerated as such when he was alive.

Like my sig says, it's like Khorne granting his powers to someone who planted fields of flowers simply because they were utterly convinced that Khorne was the Chaos God of Botany.

Pretty sure if you have faith, you can do everything.
You can even fly, for about 2 seconds, before you fall

**King Pariah**

Veteran Sergeant wrote:
...it's like Khorne granting his powers to someone who planted fields of flowers simply because they were utterly convinced that Khorne was the Chaos God of Botany.

Challenge Accepted.

**SlaveToDorkness**

Matt.Kingsley wrote:
Veteran Sergeant wrote:
ZebioLizard2 wrote:
Sisters going from fanatical nuns in space being turned into magical nuns in space was stupid.

They've always been, they even had a faith mechanic back when they were introduced in 2nd edition. Though far different from todays, they also had the saints and all the other sort of things...

Negative Ghostrider. Need to go back and read that 2E book again. The Sacred Rites were rituals and chants that whipped up the Sisters and applied various psychological effects. Frenzy, Hatred, Immune to Fear, +1 Ld, etc. The only remotely magical effect was to give them a save against psychic attacks but it was explained as a mental block, not a faith based shield. There was nothing magical about the Sisters. No suddenly getting magically stronger or faster, no magically havin AP1 shots, no magically having an invulnerable save.

Nope. The Sisters of 2E were just loony religious fanatics who foolishly worshiped a withered psychic vegetable. The new ones are granted magical powers from their god, who isn't actually a god, and wno refused to be venerated as such when he was alive.

Like my sig says, it's like Khorne granting his powers to someone who planted fields of flowers simply because they were utterly convinced that Khorne was the Chaos God of Botany.

Pretty sure if you have faith, you can do everything.
You can even fly, for about 2 seconds, before you fall

"I believe I can Flyyyy....AAAAAAAARRRRRRRGGGGHHHHH! ::SPLAT!!!::

Eidolon, I can totally respect that. They are unique(ly handicapped) in how they play, and I can see the draw somewhat. Although some of their models are butt-ugly. One reason as well that I loath them is their WHFB book as well. Before 8th came around they were hideously broken. It felt like GW didn't want anyone playing anything but CDs.

**-Loki-**

I honestly don't dislike any. While some of the chapters that have codices I think could be rolled into a larger book, what I really want is another army. More variety! Playing against the same armies all the time gets dull.

If they did a Mechanicus army, I'd break my solemn oath to only stick to Tyranids, and probably sell the Salamanders I have to help fund it.

**captain collius**

Farseer Mael Dannan wrote:
captain collius wrote:
d3m01iti0n wrote:
captain collius wrote:BT- Their fluff and fans drive me nuts.

Only because you got cocky in a thread and we roflstomped you. Take your lumps like a man and move on, sheesh.

Dude you didn't win and your chapter is deal with it Besides every time the templars fans come out they bring out the same tired stories. We are the biggest chapter(okay but you are not a cohesive force so therefore bull.

Second Grimaldus got some dust on him whoop de doo now he is the greatest thing since sliced bread. Uhh then why does no use him ohh right that's cause he is not worth it and the model is terrible.

Third the templar organization is the stupidest thing I've ever seen so you put your less than ready young soldier in the midst of the worst of the fighting (DUMB)

Fourth Remember this each Codex is written to give a powerful fluff slant to the reader. Do you read about losses in there no. So just remember you all get your butts kicked everytime.

I'll go ahead and chime on on this, but I'm not gonna get angry or anyone. First we are the biggest chapter, and I do find that kinda cool. I know it is a tired argument, but I like it because it has the same feeling as the Crusades themselves. The Crusades had many armies that were working in tandem, but not quite in with each other at all times. This is extremely like their current organization and the correlation between the two I find quite cool. If you take no interest in The Crusades IRL than the Black Templars will interest you a whole lot less. This IMO is one of those things.

The story with Grimaldus is just like any other ridiculous SM story, and has it's cool parts while being over the top. You can go ahead and generalize it by using your "dust on him" analogy, but if you have ever read the book the story isn't all that bad. Sadly our Codex is quite old and he is obviously outdated, and as such a bad choice for the current game. I don't find his model to be particularly bad, just not one of the best out there so I can understand why you have no love for it.

Your third point is a bit misplaced. On the tabletop it's exactly what you said, run the youngins into battle and have them take all the wounds. However the lore points it out to be much more the Initiate's choice to send them forward or hang back. Each Neophyte gets one Initiate that is charged with protecting and training them. It would be their call whether the Neophyte would advance, or sit back and watch while he showed them how to do it. This is one of my favorite parts of the fluff that is sadly not so represented on the tabletop, as who doesn't love a Master - Pupil situation? It's pretty cool from a Space Marine perspective. I would rather be a Neophyte, get to know my Initiate, grow to be as good as him and than fight along side him than be a Scout in a Scout regiment, and than get thrown into my all new duties as a full fledged Astarte's. Additionally you may actually survive longer being surrounded by Space Marines rather than running off on your own and having some Kroot laughably ambush and eat you.

And fourth is entirely spot on. If anyone doesn't think the BT take some nasty casualties at times they weren't reading the fluff. However, just like the real Crusades while taking a lot of casualties they usually inflicted just as many once they broke the lines and had the enemies fleeing. I see the BT in the same light and they play that way on the table. This is part of why I like them too, as it gives them less of the "Movie Marine" syndrome where you feel like they are suppose to be unstoppable monsters. BT get there only through working together and advancing as one group.

That is my opinion on it. If you can't at least understand the PoV but not share it, which should be do-able after that explanation, than nothing else is worth being said.

I like your explanation of your points and feeling on the subject. I cannot disagree with any of your points. You were able to discuss them and put them down in writing. Thank you for your view I think I understand what drew you to his chapter.

**DOOMBREAD**

Milisim wrote:I don't understand all this anti tau / not grim Dark stuff either...

Disliking them based on they dont want to rape, pillage, murder and eradicate everyone who opposes them is idiotic.

Anyone who thinks that is cool should take a tour of Auschwitz and get back to me on how cool it actually is.

I strongly disagree with this. By that logic, everyone should dislike Chaos, and the Imperium, and just about everything besides Tau. Though Tau aren't my least favorite army, part of what makes 40k so awesome is that there are no clear good guys and bad guys. Disliking the Tau because they are not grim dark makes perfect sense in such a setting.

Back on topic. My least favorite faction is Newcrons. To me, their fluff is essentially "We'll totally own you cuz we're Tomb Kings in spaaaaace!" Also, their rules don't seem to be much better, though I'm not all that familiar with them.

**primalexile**

Blood Angels... Everything about them is lame...

**Gabrial Seth**

Galdos wrote:
Shas'o_Longshot wrote:Oh dear, let the Tau bashing commence... Apparently mind controlled militant cow-people that are hinted to be genocidal if you don't agree to join them isn't grim-dark enough, but cockney mushroom men are fine >.<

I have no preferences, fluffwise. I just appreciate such a wide variety of factions

Dont miss understand, I like to think of my Tau as extremly dark. However he asked what do I dislike to most and I said what I disliked the most and gave my reason.

In a few hours you are going to see a lot of anti SMs I assure you

If i could combine the Dark Angels and Blood Angels colors i would but it is not Christmas in 40k land

**Sniff**

*flamesuit zipped*

it's the 41st millenium, there are millions of worlds, with tons and tons of alien races. You have Tyranids aliens, robot aliens (ROBOTS!), and Orks (ORKS!) And the limit of your science fiction creative imagination is...ahem......humans in suits?! are.you.freaking.kidding.me.

That's what does it for you? Genetically mutated and modified humans in space suits. In space. Ruh ruh really?! Self-righteous do-gooders serving some pretentious emperor in space. Yeah, a dead honey badger has a more vivid imagination.

"Evil will always triumph, because good is dumb."

Exactly what part of "sci-fi" did some of these SM players get?! They should have their own game, devoid of alien worlds and races. Call it "Sporkhammer 20th Century". Tangtastic.

**Gabrial Seth**

Sniff wrote:*flamesuit zipped*

it's the 41st millenium, there are millions of worlds, with tons and tons of alien races. You have Tyranids aliens, robot aliens (ROBOTS!), and Orks (ORKS!) And the limit of your science fiction creative imagination is...ahem......humans in suits?! are.you.freaking.kidding.me.

That's what does it for you? Genetically mutated and modified humans in space suits. In space. Ruh ruh really?! Self-righteous do-gooders serving some pretentious emperor in space. Yeah, a dead honey badger has a more vivid imagination.

"Evil will always triumph, because good is dumb."

Exactly what part of "sci-fi" did some of these SM players get?! They should have their own game, devoid of alien worlds and races. Call it "Sporkhammer 20th Century". Tangtastic.

its called starship troppers, that is why there are so many SM fans out there, for me i love the primarchs and only a few chapters i prefer the D.Eldar or other evil factions but I always answer to my sci-fi roots of starship troppers

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I would say necrons or orks, tired of them fluff wise and tired of seeing them. Dark Eldar need more love but even i know they are fragile as hell

**Sniff**

yeah I hear you there. tongue in cheek mostly. but but...

look alls I'm saying' is that you don't have to leave the atmosphere if the aliens in the 40k universe are too scary for you. you can play your own game right here. call it "Texas Border Patrol 2012…Hammer". see, them aliens ain't too scary now are they kid? Go on, shoot 'em up with your SPACE SHOTGUNS.

**Gabrial Seth**

I love dark eldar, i like the draw of the tyranids. If i may ask what are the alien races space elves, walking DOS boxes, orks who are so much like their fantasy cousins it gets boring.

**Awesome Christ**

Sniff wrote:yeah I hear you there. tongue in cheek mostly. but but...

look alls I'm saying' is that you don't have to leave the atmosphere if the aliens in the 40k universe are too scary for you. you can play your own game right here. call it "Texas Border Patrol 2012…Hammer". see, them aliens ain't too scary now are they kid? Go on, shoot 'em up with your SPACE SHOTGUNS.

Thank you, that was fantastic.

I would say however that SS troopers (the original Heinlein book, not the 90s catastrophe) is a huge reason as to why I play BA. I actually really want to find a way to get a half a dozen 2.5" tall drop pods and position them on a base roughly the size of a drop pod so that each marine has his own launch capsule for my army, positioned so that they're still falling so as to give them the same general height of a drop pod as well.

hell my profile picture is an artists rendition of the SST mobile infantries power armour.

**Gabrial Seth**

Sniff wrote:yeah I hear you there. tongue in cheek mostly. but but...

look alls I'm saying' is that you don't have to leave the atmosphere if the aliens in the 40k universe are too scary for you. you can play your own game right here. call it "Texas Border Patrol 2012…Hammer". see, them aliens ain't too scary now are they kid? Go on, shoot 'em up with your SPACE SHOTGUNS.

aliens, which ones space high elves man aren't they spooky, space dark elves so evil, space skeletons beep boop beep, orks while cool aren't exactly an original alien idea seeing that fantasy is full of them, tyranids are original, imps are original, chaos daemons are cool make no sense though.

**JbR of the Endless Spire**

I try not to think of Chaos Deamons as angels and deamons kind of deamons. I try to look at them as aliens that exist on another plane of reality (the warp) that exist every where but the doorways to the material realm are peoples minds or the Eye of Terror. It stops me from going WTF are devils doing in a sci-fi game...

**GalacticDefender**

SlaveToDorkness wrote:Chaos Daemons. The idea that they are on the material plane often enough to warrant an entire codex (especially with no mortal forces to instigate their summoning represented) and they just smacked of cash grab from Chaos players. Plus all the artwork is Blanche. I've seen grade school artwork with more attention to proportion and detail. The whole book literally makes me nauseous to even flip through.

So you think art by John Blanche looks like it was done by someone in grade school?

PIC:

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Lol I'm a John Blanche fan. I think he captures the grimdark feel the best out of all the Games Workshop artists.

(Don't know if that pic loaded properly, but I think everyone has seen that picture.)

**Buttons**

Space Wolves, we love wolves all of our positions contain the word wolf, and we even ride wolves. At least Blood Angels are funny in that they prance around in golden armour that shows their glorious abs and even more hilarious their nipples. Have always considered making a chapter called the "Golden Angels" that use Blood Angels rules, have golden armour for everyone (duh) and spam assault marines and vanguard vets. Almost a hundred guys prancing around the battlefield in golden armour at 2000 points.

**Gabrial Seth**

Buttons wrote:Space Wolves, we love wolves all of our positions contain the word wolf, and we even ride wolves. At least Blood Angels are funny in that they prance around in golden armour that shows their glorious abs and even more hilarious their nipples. Have always considered making a chapter called the "Golden Angels" that use Blood Angels rules, have golden armour for everyone (duh) and spam assault marines and vanguard vets. Almost a hundred guys prancing around the battlefield in golden armour at 2000 points.

hey we try this hard to look FABULOUS

**JbR of the Endless Spire**

I hate myself for saying this, but at least they don't cover themselves in the flea ridden fur of the creatures who consider their best friends... SW.... or decide that ''those girls over there seem to be immune to Chaos... just like us... lets wear their skin and blood as decorations....'' *cough* GK *cough*.... instead they prance around the field of battle like a vampire from twilight saying ''look at me, look at me! You looked didn't you? Now I'm going to have to bite your face off... Oh curses now I have to paint my armour black... Don't look at me, don't look at me!''