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Wrakkar wrote:

Stormtrooper520 wrote:

King Pariah wrote:

Stormtrooper520 wrote:What's with the hate on Grey Knights?

Some pretty bad fluff for starters.

Well at least it isn't as mashed up and horrendous as Blood Angel fluff is.

You can at least justify how Draigo survives the warp - with uber faith in the emperor that's strong enough to burn a daemon.

But mephiston... A hab-block fell on him, and somehow three days later (or was it seven? It was a magical number), survived the [black rage/red thirst] and insta-killed a horde of orks when he suddenly for no reason jumped out of several thousand tonnes of rubble.

Which is more viable, I wonder..

I would say Mephiston.

Walking around the warp with no food or water for millenium while you kill Da\emons and just instantly reappear back to where they were anyway. You'd think all the Daemons would get together and go "Hey, lets all go and get Draigo. He's here alone with nobody else".

At least Mephiston is just brutal. When he kills things they stay dead and don't come back to life to plot against him. Remember in the fluff even a simple Space Marine is supposed to be able to kill things while being horendously outnumbered.

DarthOvious wrote:

Wrakkar wrote:

Stormtrooper520 wrote:

King Pariah wrote:

Stormtrooper520 wrote:What's with the hate on Grey Knights?

Some pretty bad fluff for starters.

Well at least it isn't as mashed up and horrendous as Blood Angel fluff is.

You can at least justify how Draigo survives the warp - with uber faith in the emperor that's strong enough to burn a daemon.

But mephiston... A hab-block fell on him, and somehow three days later (or was it seven? It was a magical number), survived the [black rage/red thirst] and insta-killed a horde of orks when he suddenly for no reason jumped out of several thousand tonnes of rubble.

Which is more viable, I wonder..

I would say Mephiston.

Walking around the warp with no food or water for millenium while you kill Da\emons and just instantly reappear back to where they were anyway. You'd think all the Daemons would get together and go "Hey, lets all go and get Draigo. He's here alone with nobody else".

At least Mephiston is just brutal. When he kills things they stay dead and don't come back to life to plot against him. Remember in the fluff even a simple Space Marine is supposed to be able to kill things while being horendously outnumbered.

It's not killing a horde that I'm on about - any good marine can. It's that no marine, no matter how angry, simply cannot lift himself out of an entire hab block that's fallen on him without help. If it was possible, he would have achieved this by day 1.
Furthermore, surviving in the warp? I have a few points:
A) Time does not flow in the warp. Death simply doesn't occur without being murdered.
B) A marine's power armour can provide sustenance by injecting nutrients/water
C) Draigo regularly gets pulled out of the warp via daemonic incursion, and can get a refill.

D) Less rediculous than mephy, because Draigo's survival is based o a lack of the laws of reality, whereas mephiston's fluff seems to ignore the fact that even marines must obey the laws of physics.

Wrakkar wrote: It's not killing a horde that I'm on about - any good marine can. It's that no marine, no matter how angry, simply cannot lift himself out of an entire hab block that's fallen on him without help. If it was possible, he would have achieved this by day 1.

Ah OK, I get you. Well I think it's fine if we considered the following.

1) Mephiston was trapped, perhaps didn't necessarily have the blocks on top of him while he was trapped. Not sure I would need to read the exact wording of the fluff. Normal people have survived after Earthquakes in rubbles of buildings over them however. So its not impossible for him to still be alive.

2) As for lifting it all. After overcoming the Black Rage his full psychic potential was unleashed and his strength was increased as well. Thats why he was always stronger and tougher than other other marines. Even before the current codex. He was S5, T5 in past editions. His strength and toughness is linked to his his now greater psychic potential in some way. So perhaps he wasn't strong enough to lift it beforehand but was strong enough afterwards. Just imagine that Mephiston just casted Sanguine Sword to make himself stronger and then lifted it up.

3) As for overcoming the Black Rage, well we just don't know about that yet, but it has been hinted he is cursed by chaos and is a future Daemon Prince. I really hope that isn't the case though. Other members of the chapter look at him like some sort of saviour for the Blood Angels in a hope to overcome the curse of the Black Rage.

Furthermore, surviving in the warp? I have a few points:
A) Time does not flow in the warp. Death simply doesn't occur without being murdered.
B) A marine's power armour can provide sustenance by injecting nutrients/water
C) Draigo regularly gets pulled out of the warp via daemonic incursion, and can get a refill.

D) Less rediculous than mephy, because Draigo's survival is based o a lack of the laws of reality, whereas mephiston's fluff seems to ignore the fact that even marines must obey the laws of physics.

OK, unaware of points A to C so I suppose that explains some things better for me. However even if Marine Armour does inject nutrients, I don't think it would last as long as Draigo being in the warp. OK, time doesn't flow or whatever but I don't see how that stops needing substance to live. Perhaps something else in the warp means he doesn't need to eat? When you read the fluff he's been about and killed nearly every Daemon going, so even if time doesn't flow, he's still been around for the equivalent of a million meals. Also I don't think Draigo is pulled out of the warp that regularly in order to speculate that he can achieve a "refill" for his armour, which is Terminator and not Power Armour but I'll just assume it can do the same thing, not to mention after the fight he gets pulled back into the warp right after it. Think about that for a minute.

Warp rift opens and Daemons start pouring out.

Grey Knight Marine: Hey it's Draigo................ Where is he is going????

Draigo: Don't worry guys I will be with you in a sec, I just need to get a nutrients cartridge to refill for my armour. You just fight them and carry on until I get back.

Grey Knight Marine: Can't we just give you it after we take care of these Daemons?

Draigo: Not really, because I will be instantly sucked back in afterwards. Oh, just keep one of them alive for me if you've killed them all before I return, just in case I haven't got refilled yet.

Grey Knight Marine: WTF????????????



As for point D, well I've explained that above. Its not impossible for someone to survive in a building rubble and the fluff clearly states his potential was increased after he overcame the Black Rage.

DarthOvious wrote:

Wrakkar wrote: It's not killing a horde that I'm on about - any good marine can. It's that no marine, no matter how angry, simply cannot lift himself out of an entire hab block that's fallen on him without help. If it was possible, he would have achieved this by day 1.

Ah OK, I get you. Well I think it's fine if we considered the following.

1) Mephiston was trapped, perhaps didn't necessarily have the blocks on top of him while he was trapped. Not sure I would need to read the exact wording of the fluff. Normal people have survived after Earthquakes in rubbles of buildings over them however. So its not impossible for him to still be alive.

2) As for lifting it all. After overcoming the Black Rage his full psychic potential was unleashed and his strength was increased as well. Thats why he was always stronger and tougher than other other marines. Even before the current codex. He was S5, T5 in past editions. His strength and toughness is linked to his his now greater psychic potential in some way. So perhaps he wasn't strong enough to lift it beforehand but was strong enough afterwards. Just imagine that Mephiston just casted Sanguine Sword to make himself stronger and then lifted it up.

3) As for overcoming the Black Rage, well we just don't know about that yet, but it has been hinted he is cursed by chaos and is a future Daemon Prince. I really hope that isn't the case though. Other members of the chapter look at him like some sort of saviour for the Blood Angels in a hope to overcome the curse of the Black Rage.

Furthermore, surviving in the warp? I have a few points:
A) Time does not flow in the warp. Death simply doesn't occur without being murdered.
B) A marine's power armour can provide sustenance by injecting nutrients/water
C) Draigo regularly gets pulled out of the warp via daemonic incursion, and can get a refill.

D) Less rediculous than mephy, because Draigo's survival is based o a lack of the laws of reality, whereas mephiston's fluff seems to ignore the fact that even marines must obey the laws of physics.

OK, unaware of points A to C so I suppose that explains some things better for me. However even if Marine Armour does inject nutrients, I don't think it would last as long as Draigo being in the warp. OK, time doesn't flow or whatever but I don't see how that stops needing substance to live. Perhaps something else in the warp means he doesn't need to eat? When you read the fluff he's been about and killed nearly every Daemon going, so even if time doesn't flow, he's still been around for the equivalent of a million meals. Also I don't think Draigo is pulled out of the warp that regularly in order to speculate that he can achieve a "refill" for his armour, which is Terminator and not Power Armour but I'll just assume it can do the same thing, not to mention after the fight he gets pulled back into the warp right after it. Think about that for a minute.

Warp rift opens and Daemons start pouring out.

Grey Knight Marine: Hey it's Draigo................ Where is he is going????

Draigo: Don't worry guys I will be with you in a sec, I just need to get a nutrients cartridge to refill for my armour. You just fight them and carry on until I get back.

Grey Knight Marine: Can't we just give you it after we take care of these Daemons?

Draigo: Not really, because I will be instantly sucked back in afterwards. Oh, just keep one of them alive for me if you've killed them all before I return, just in case I haven't got refilled yet.

Grey Knight Marine: WTF????????????



As for point D, well I've explained that above. Its not impossible for someone to survive in a building rubble and the fluff clearly states his potential was increased after he overcame the Black Rage.

Okay, so a few things on Mephiston got cleared there.

As for Draigo getting food, imagine the warp like this:

Time does not flow - though things may happen in it, until a god or greater daemon of chaos does something, nothing ever happens.
The warp is the flow of energy, and has no physical basis - it is entirely derived of psychic energy, and sentience is metaphysical.
Daemons never need to feed until they enter "reality" because only physical bodies need physical food/energy.
Just like how daemons entering reality gaining physical form, physical beings like Draigo loose true physical form while in the warp.
Draigo is a psyker.
Thus, Draigo may maintain his "life force" by feeding off the residual energy in the warp.

Slightly more complicated than Mephiston's backstory, but unreality does that to fluff.

Wrakkar wrote:

DarthOvious wrote:

Wrakkar wrote: It's not killing a horde that I'm on about - any good marine can. It's that no marine, no matter how angry, simply cannot lift himself out of an entire hab block that's fallen on him without help. If it was possible, he would have achieved this by day 1.

Ah OK, I get you. Well I think it's fine if we considered the following.

1) Mephiston was trapped, perhaps didn't necessarily have the blocks on top of him while he was trapped. Not sure I would need to read the exact wording of the fluff. Normal people have survived after Earthquakes in rubbles of buildings over them however. So its not impossible for him to still be alive.

2) As for lifting it all. After overcoming the Black Rage his full psychic potential was unleashed and his strength was increased as well. Thats why he was always stronger and tougher than other other marines. Even before the current codex. He was S5, T5 in past editions. His strength and toughness is linked to his his now greater psychic potential in some way. So perhaps he wasn't strong enough to lift it beforehand but was strong enough afterwards. Just imagine that Mephiston just casted Sanguine Sword to make himself stronger and then lifted it up.

3) As for overcoming the Black Rage, well we just don't know about that yet, but it has been hinted he is cursed by chaos and is a future Daemon Prince. I really hope that isn't the case though. Other members of the chapter look at him like some sort of saviour for the Blood Angels in a hope to overcome the curse of the Black Rage.

Furthermore, surviving in the warp? I have a few points:
A) Time does not flow in the warp. Death simply doesn't occur without being murdered.
B) A marine's power armour can provide sustenance by injecting nutrients/water
C) Draigo regularly gets pulled out of the warp via daemonic incursion, and can get a refill.

D) Less rediculous than mephy, because Draigo's survival is based o a lack of the laws of reality, whereas mephiston's fluff seems to ignore the fact that even marines must obey the laws of physics.

OK, unaware of points A to C so I suppose that explains some things better for me. However even if Marine Armour does inject nutrients, I don't think it would last as long as Draigo being in the warp. OK, time doesn't flow or whatever but I don't see how that stops needing substance to live. Perhaps something else in the warp means he doesn't need to eat? When you read the fluff he's been about and killed nearly every Daemon going, so even if time doesn't flow, he's still been around for the equivalent of a million meals. Also I don't think Draigo is pulled out of the warp that regularly in order to speculate that he can achieve a "refill" for his armour, which is Terminator and not Power Armour but I'll just assume it can do the same thing, not to mention after the fight he gets pulled back into the warp right after it. Think about that for a minute.

Warp rift opens and Daemons start pouring out.

Grey Knight Marine: Hey it's Draigo................ Where is he is going????

Draigo: Don't worry guys I will be with you in a sec, I just need to get a nutrients cartridge to refill for my armour. You just fight them and carry on until I get back.

Grey Knight Marine: Can't we just give you it after we take care of these Daemons?

Draigo: Not really, because I will be instantly sucked back in afterwards. Oh, just keep one of them alive for me if you've killed them all before I return, just in case I haven't got refilled yet.

Grey Knight Marine: WTF????????????



As for point D, well I've explained that above. Its not impossible for someone to survive in a building rubble and the fluff clearly states his potential was increased after he overcame the Black Rage.

Okay, so a few things on Mephiston got cleared there.

As for Draigo getting food, imagine the warp like this:

Time does not flow - though things may happen in it, until a god or greater daemon of chaos does something, nothing ever happens.
The warp is the flow of energy, and has no physical basis - it is entirely derived of psychic energy, and sentience is metaphysical.
Daemons never need to feed until they enter "reality" because only physical bodies need physical food/energy.
Just like how daemons entering reality gaining physical form, physical beings like Draigo loose true physical form while in the warp.
Draigo is a psyker.
Thus, Draigo may maintain his "life force" by feeding off the residual energy in the warp.

Slightly more complicated than Mephiston's backstory, but unreality does that to fluff.

Thanks, thats actually cleared that one up, thanks. I always thought it was cool that Draigo was going about trying to kill Daemons in the warp, the operative word being trying. I just didn't know how he was able to do it.

DarthOvious wrote:

Wrakkar wrote:

DarthOvious wrote:

Wrakkar wrote: It's not killing a horde that I'm on about - any good marine can. It's that no marine, no matter how angry, simply cannot lift himself out of an entire hab block that's fallen on him without help. If it was possible, he would have achieved this by day 1.

Ah OK, I get you. Well I think it's fine if we considered the following.

1) Mephiston was trapped, perhaps didn't necessarily have the blocks on top of him while he was trapped. Not sure I would need to read the exact wording of the fluff. Normal people have survived after Earthquakes in rubbles of buildings over them however. So its not impossible for him to still be alive.

2) As for lifting it all. After overcoming the Black Rage his full psychic potential was unleashed and his strength was increased as well. Thats why he was always stronger and tougher than other other marines. Even before the current codex. He was S5, T5 in past editions. His strength and toughness is linked to his his now greater psychic potential in some way. So perhaps he wasn't strong enough to lift it beforehand but was strong enough afterwards. Just imagine that Mephiston just casted Sanguine Sword to make himself stronger and then lifted it up.

3) As for overcoming the Black Rage, well we just don't know about that yet, but it has been hinted he is cursed by chaos and is a future Daemon Prince. I really hope that isn't the case though. Other members of the chapter look at him like some sort of saviour for the Blood Angels in a hope to overcome the curse of the Black Rage.

Furthermore, surviving in the warp? I have a few points:
A) Time does not flow in the warp. Death simply doesn't occur without being murdered.
B) A marine's power armour can provide sustenance by injecting nutrients/water
C) Draigo regularly gets pulled out of the warp via daemonic incursion, and can get a refill.

D) Less rediculous than mephy, because Draigo's survival is based o a lack of the laws of reality, whereas mephiston's fluff seems to ignore the fact that even marines must obey the laws of physics.

OK, unaware of points A to C so I suppose that explains some things better for me. However even if Marine Armour does inject nutrients, I don't think it would last as long as Draigo being in the warp. OK, time doesn't flow or whatever but I don't see how that stops needing substance to live. Perhaps something else in the warp means he doesn't need to eat? When you read the fluff he's been about and killed nearly every Daemon going, so even if time doesn't flow, he's still been around for the equivalent of a million meals. Also I don't think Draigo is pulled out of the warp that regularly in order to speculate that he can achieve a "refill" for his armour, which is Terminator and not Power Armour but I'll just assume it can do the same thing, not to mention after the fight he gets pulled back into the warp right after it. Think about that for a minute.

Warp rift opens and Daemons start pouring out.

Grey Knight Marine: Hey it's Draigo................ Where is he is going????

Draigo: Don't worry guys I will be with you in a sec, I just need to get a nutrients cartridge to refill for my armour. You just fight them and carry on until I get back.

Grey Knight Marine: Can't we just give you it after we take care of these Daemons?

Draigo: Not really, because I will be instantly sucked back in afterwards. Oh, just keep one of them alive for me if you've killed them all before I return, just in case I haven't got refilled yet.

Grey Knight Marine: WTF????????????



As for point D, well I've explained that above. Its not impossible for someone to survive in a building rubble and the fluff clearly states his potential was increased after he overcame the Black Rage.

Okay, so a few things on Mephiston got cleared there.

As for Draigo getting food, imagine the warp like this:

Time does not flow - though things may happen in it, until a god or greater daemon of chaos does something, nothing ever happens.
The warp is the flow of energy, and has no physical basis - it is entirely derived of psychic energy, and sentience is metaphysical.
Daemons never need to feed until they enter "reality" because only physical bodies need physical food/energy.
Just like how daemons entering reality gaining physical form, physical beings like Draigo loose true physical form while in the warp.
Draigo is a psyker.
Thus, Draigo may maintain his "life force" by feeding off the residual energy in the warp.

Slightly more complicated than Mephiston's backstory, but unreality does that to fluff.

Thanks, thats actually cleared that one up, thanks. I always thought it was cool that Draigo was going about trying to kill Daemons in the warp, the operative word being trying. I just didn't know how he was able to do it.

Looks like we've both resolved eachother's questions.

Wrakkar wrote:

DarthOvious wrote:

Wrakkar wrote:

DarthOvious wrote:

Wrakkar wrote: It's not killing a horde that I'm on about - any good marine can. It's that no marine, no matter how angry, simply cannot lift himself out of an entire hab block that's fallen on him without help. If it was possible, he would have achieved this by day 1.

Ah OK, I get you. Well I think it's fine if we considered the following.

1) Mephiston was trapped, perhaps didn't necessarily have the blocks on top of him while he was trapped. Not sure I would need to read the exact wording of the fluff. Normal people have survived after Earthquakes in rubbles of buildings over them however. So its not impossible for him to still be alive.

2) As for lifting it all. After overcoming the Black Rage his full psychic potential was unleashed and his strength was increased as well. Thats why he was always stronger and tougher than other other marines. Even before the current codex. He was S5, T5 in past editions. His strength and toughness is linked to his his now greater psychic potential in some way. So perhaps he wasn't strong enough to lift it beforehand but was strong enough afterwards. Just imagine that Mephiston just casted Sanguine Sword to make himself stronger and then lifted it up.

3) As for overcoming the Black Rage, well we just don't know about that yet, but it has been hinted he is cursed by chaos and is a future Daemon Prince. I really hope that isn't the case though. Other members of the chapter look at him like some sort of saviour for the Blood Angels in a hope to overcome the curse of the Black Rage.

Furthermore, surviving in the warp? I have a few points:
A) Time does not flow in the warp. Death simply doesn't occur without being murdered.
B) A marine's power armour can provide sustenance by injecting nutrients/water
C) Draigo regularly gets pulled out of the warp via daemonic incursion, and can get a refill.

D) Less rediculous than mephy, because Draigo's survival is based o a lack of the laws of reality, whereas mephiston's fluff seems to ignore the fact that even marines must obey the laws of physics.

OK, unaware of points A to C so I suppose that explains some things better for me. However even if Marine Armour does inject nutrients, I don't think it would last as long as Draigo being in the warp. OK, time doesn't flow or whatever but I don't see how that stops needing substance to live. Perhaps something else in the warp means he doesn't need to eat? When you read the fluff he's been about and killed nearly every Daemon going, so even if time doesn't flow, he's still been around for the equivalent of a million meals. Also I don't think Draigo is pulled out of the warp that regularly in order to speculate that he can achieve a "refill" for his armour, which is Terminator and not Power Armour but I'll just assume it can do the same thing, not to mention after the fight he gets pulled back into the warp right after it. Think about that for a minute.

Warp rift opens and Daemons start pouring out.

Grey Knight Marine: Hey it's Draigo................ Where is he is going????

Draigo: Don't worry guys I will be with you in a sec, I just need to get a nutrients cartridge to refill for my armour. You just fight them and carry on until I get back.

Grey Knight Marine: Can't we just give you it after we take care of these Daemons?

Draigo: Not really, because I will be instantly sucked back in afterwards. Oh, just keep one of them alive for me if you've killed them all before I return, just in case I haven't got refilled yet.

Grey Knight Marine: WTF????????????



As for point D, well I've explained that above. Its not impossible for someone to survive in a building rubble and the fluff clearly states his potential was increased after he overcame the Black Rage.

Okay, so a few things on Mephiston got cleared there.

As for Draigo getting food, imagine the warp like this:

Time does not flow - though things may happen in it, until a god or greater daemon of chaos does something, nothing ever happens.
The warp is the flow of energy, and has no physical basis - it is entirely derived of psychic energy, and sentience is metaphysical.
Daemons never need to feed until they enter "reality" because only physical bodies need physical food/energy.
Just like how daemons entering reality gaining physical form, physical beings like Draigo loose true physical form while in the warp.
Draigo is a psyker.
Thus, Draigo may maintain his "life force" by feeding off the residual energy in the warp.

Slightly more complicated than Mephiston's backstory, but unreality does that to fluff.

Thanks, thats actually cleared that one up, thanks. I always thought it was cool that Draigo was going about trying to kill Daemons in the warp, the operative word being trying. I just didn't know how he was able to do it.

Looks like we've both resolved eachother's questions.

Always a good thing. Have an upvote.

DarthOvious wrote:

Wrakkar wrote:

DarthOvious wrote:

Wrakkar wrote:

DarthOvious wrote:

Wrakkar wrote: It's not killing a horde that I'm on about - any good marine can. It's that no marine, no matter how angry, simply cannot lift himself out of an entire hab block that's fallen on him without help. If it was possible, he would have achieved this by day 1.

Ah OK, I get you. Well I think it's fine if we considered the following.

1) Mephiston was trapped, perhaps didn't necessarily have the blocks on top of him while he was trapped. Not sure I would need to read the exact wording of the fluff. Normal people have survived after Earthquakes in rubbles of buildings over them however. So its not impossible for him to still be alive.

2) As for lifting it all. After overcoming the Black Rage his full psychic potential was unleashed and his strength was increased as well. Thats why he was always stronger and tougher than other other marines. Even before the current codex. He was S5, T5 in past editions. His strength and toughness is linked to his his now greater psychic potential in some way. So perhaps he wasn't strong enough to lift it beforehand but was strong enough afterwards. Just imagine that Mephiston just casted Sanguine Sword to make himself stronger and then lifted it up.

3) As for overcoming the Black Rage, well we just don't know about that yet, but it has been hinted he is cursed by chaos and is a future Daemon Prince. I really hope that isn't the case though. Other members of the chapter look at him like some sort of saviour for the Blood Angels in a hope to overcome the curse of the Black Rage.

Furthermore, surviving in the warp? I have a few points:
A) Time does not flow in the warp. Death simply doesn't occur without being murdered.
B) A marine's power armour can provide sustenance by injecting nutrients/water
C) Draigo regularly gets pulled out of the warp via daemonic incursion, and can get a refill.

D) Less rediculous than mephy, because Draigo's survival is based o a lack of the laws of reality, whereas mephiston's fluff seems to ignore the fact that even marines must obey the laws of physics.

OK, unaware of points A to C so I suppose that explains some things better for me. However even if Marine Armour does inject nutrients, I don't think it would last as long as Draigo being in the warp. OK, time doesn't flow or whatever but I don't see how that stops needing substance to live. Perhaps something else in the warp means he doesn't need to eat? When you read the fluff he's been about and killed nearly every Daemon going, so even if time doesn't flow, he's still been around for the equivalent of a million meals. Also I don't think Draigo is pulled out of the warp that regularly in order to speculate that he can achieve a "refill" for his armour, which is Terminator and not Power Armour but I'll just assume it can do the same thing, not to mention after the fight he gets pulled back into the warp right after it. Think about that for a minute.

Warp rift opens and Daemons start pouring out.

Grey Knight Marine: Hey it's Draigo................ Where is he is going????

Draigo: Don't worry guys I will be with you in a sec, I just need to get a nutrients cartridge to refill for my armour. You just fight them and carry on until I get back.

Grey Knight Marine: Can't we just give you it after we take care of these Daemons?

Draigo: Not really, because I will be instantly sucked back in afterwards. Oh, just keep one of them alive for me if you've killed them all before I return, just in case I haven't got refilled yet.

Grey Knight Marine: WTF????????????



As for point D, well I've explained that above. Its not impossible for someone to survive in a building rubble and the fluff clearly states his potential was increased after he overcame the Black Rage.

Okay, so a few things on Mephiston got cleared there.

As for Draigo getting food, imagine the warp like this:

Time does not flow - though things may happen in it, until a god or greater daemon of chaos does something, nothing ever happens.
The warp is the flow of energy, and has no physical basis - it is entirely derived of psychic energy, and sentience is metaphysical.
Daemons never need to feed until they enter "reality" because only physical bodies need physical food/energy.
Just like how daemons entering reality gaining physical form, physical beings like Draigo loose true physical form while in the warp.
Draigo is a psyker.
Thus, Draigo may maintain his "life force" by feeding off the residual energy in the warp.

Slightly more complicated than Mephiston's backstory, but unreality does that to fluff.

Thanks, thats actually cleared that one up, thanks. I always thought it was cool that Draigo was going about trying to kill Daemons in the warp, the operative word being trying. I just didn't know how he was able to do it.

Looks like we've both resolved eachother's questions.

Always a good thing. Have an upvote.

You too

from an astectic point of view i would rather see one hundered eldar of craftworld uthwe with their garish colors, then see one space wolf and that says a lot.

I think what I hate most about space wolves, is that I am strongly considering allying them with my Imperial Guard so that I can give my power blob ATSKNF, and actually have a bad ass model to accept challenges...

Orks! (spit) Where there's one, there's a hundred of em!

Wrakkar wrote:

DarthOvious wrote:

Wrakkar wrote:

Stormtrooper520 wrote:

King Pariah wrote:

Stormtrooper520 wrote:What's with the hate on Grey Knights?

Some pretty bad fluff for starters.

Well at least it isn't as mashed up and horrendous as Blood Angel fluff is.

You can at least justify how Draigo survives the warp - with uber faith in the emperor that's strong enough to burn a daemon.

But mephiston... A hab-block fell on him, and somehow three days later (or was it seven? It was a magical number), survived the [black rage/red thirst] and insta-killed a horde of orks when he suddenly for no reason jumped out of several thousand tonnes of rubble.

Which is more viable, I wonder..

I would say Mephiston.

Walking around the warp with no food or water for millenium while you kill Da\emons and just instantly reappear back to where they were anyway. You'd think all the Daemons would get together and go "Hey, lets all go and get Draigo. He's here alone with nobody else".

At least Mephiston is just brutal. When he kills things they stay dead and don't come back to life to plot against him. Remember in the fluff even a simple Space Marine is supposed to be able to kill things while being horendously outnumbered.

It's not killing a horde that I'm on about - any good marine can. It's that no marine, no matter how angry, simply cannot lift himself out of an [b]entire hab block that's fallen on him[/b] without help. If it was possible, he would have achieved this by day 1.
Furthermore, surviving in the warp? I have a few points:
A) Time does not flow in the warp. Death simply doesn't occur without being murdered.
B) A marine's power armour can provide sustenance by injecting nutrients/water
C) Draigo regularly gets pulled out of the warp via daemonic incursion, and can get a refill.

D) Less rediculous than mephy, because Draigo's survival is based o a lack of the laws of reality, whereas mephiston's fluff seems to ignore the fact that even marines must obey the laws of physics.

it's seven day's he's under the blocks, and then he rises from the grave and blah blah matt ward thought a jesus like character would be cool.

BronzeJon wrote:

Wrakkar wrote:

DarthOvious wrote:

Wrakkar wrote:

Stormtrooper520 wrote:

King Pariah wrote:

Stormtrooper520 wrote:What's with the hate on Grey Knights?

Some pretty bad fluff for starters.

Well at least it isn't as mashed up and horrendous as Blood Angel fluff is.

You can at least justify how Draigo survives the warp - with uber faith in the emperor that's strong enough to burn a daemon.

But mephiston... A hab-block fell on him, and somehow three days later (or was it seven? It was a magical number), survived the [black rage/red thirst] and insta-killed a horde of orks when he suddenly for no reason jumped out of several thousand tonnes of rubble.

Which is more viable, I wonder..

I would say Mephiston.

Walking around the warp with no food or water for millenium while you kill Da\emons and just instantly reappear back to where they were anyway. You'd think all the Daemons would get together and go "Hey, lets all go and get Draigo. He's here alone with nobody else".

At least Mephiston is just brutal. When he kills things they stay dead and don't come back to life to plot against him. Remember in the fluff even a simple Space Marine is supposed to be able to kill things while being horendously outnumbered.

It's not killing a horde that I'm on about - any good marine can. It's that no marine, no matter how angry, simply cannot lift himself out of an [b]entire hab block that's fallen on him[/b] without help. If it was possible, he would have achieved this by day 1.
Furthermore, surviving in the warp? I have a few points:
A) Time does not flow in the warp. Death simply doesn't occur without being murdered.
B) A marine's power armour can provide sustenance by injecting nutrients/water
C) Draigo regularly gets pulled out of the warp via daemonic incursion, and can get a refill.

D) Less rediculous than mephy, because Draigo's survival is based o a lack of the laws of reality, whereas mephiston's fluff seems to ignore the fact that even marines must obey the laws of physics.

it's seven day's he's under the blocks, and then he rises from the grave and blah blah matt ward thought a jesus like character would be cool.

...Such a majykul numbah...

Mephy's obviously a heretic.


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Whew. 1479 votes so far.

every faction has that thing that bugs you, the only one i havent seen it on are the imperial guard

BronzeJon wrote:

it's seven day's he's under the blocks, and then he rises from the grave and blah blah matt ward thought a jesus like character would be cool.

I thought this was the story long before matt ward ever got hired on by gw. Mephiston went nuts, joined death company, didnt die, was reborn.

Mephy died, got reincarnated and then elevated to a daemon prince of starchild, but beacause he's a space marine he can't be called a saint

BronzeJon wrote:
it's seven day's he's under the blocks, and then he rises from the grave and blah blah matt ward thought a jesus like character would be cool.

You do realise that this part of Blood Angels fluff was written before Matt Wards Codex of 2010. Don't you?


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Eidolon wrote:

BronzeJon wrote:

it's seven day's he's under the blocks, and then he rises from the grave and blah blah matt ward thought a jesus like character would be cool.

I thought this was the story long before matt ward ever got hired on by gw. Mephiston went nuts, joined death company, didnt die, was reborn.

Correct.

Its funny to see how someone is complaining about Matt Ward fluff that isn't even his to begin with. Massive facepalm is called for.

DarthOvious wrote:

BronzeJon wrote:
it's seven day's he's under the blocks, and then he rises from the grave and blah blah matt ward thought a jesus like character would be cool.

You do realise that this part of Blood Angels fluff was written before Matt Wards Codex of 2010. Don't you?

IIRC this goes back to the 3rd codex which was released December 1998.

I know I have it.

captain collius wrote:

DarthOvious wrote:

BronzeJon wrote:
it's seven day's he's under the blocks, and then he rises from the grave and blah blah matt ward thought a jesus like character would be cool.

You do realise that this part of Blood Angels fluff was written before Matt Wards Codex of 2010. Don't you?

IIRC this goes back to the 3rd codex which was released December 1998.

I know I have it.

Correct.

I have 3rd edition Codex as well. Hence why I knew this.

Out of my group it is SM's but for me it is varied. I mean 3 people use SM's, 1 ork player, me on D.Eldar, one necron player, one sisters of battle player and one imp. guard player with me looking at chaos in the new edition hoping Night Lords get unique and not be CM's iwht dumb helms.