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Voted Grey Knights, never played against them, but did not like their fluff.

Orks and sistesr annoy the hell out of me fluff wise, and ork players seem to have a higher percentage of neckbeards than other armies.

Tau. And Grey Knights
Tau because they are fish people.
and Grey Knights because they use to be a little bit more awesome.

Black Templars; the whole 'Knights Templar' shtick is kind of strange, their army list is focused entirely around encouraging the munchkins (I mean, Land Raiders as transports for Troops choices? Really? Would you give Eldar FIre Prisms as transports for Troops? No? Didn't think so), they encourage lazy painters (spray-paint black, white on the shoulders, decals, done!)...

I don't see why everyone hates Grey Knights so much, though. There's nothing wrong with the concept of the army itself; I've been playing them since around when 4e was first released, most of the rules changes were long overdue (there was no variety in the list back under the 3e Codex, for one thing, and when your Troops choices are required to take a 50pt Sergeant you can't exactly have anything resembling a reasonably-sized army...), and we purists tend to ignore most of the Ward fluff and Special Characters anyway...

I'm more against a specific net build than a faction. That being KrootspamDeathrainBroadsidespamMinHQminFirewarriorsInFishAndSomePathfinders Empire, I'm dumbfounded on how it works other than the HQ and Elite suits and Broadsides being assisted by pathfinders to max out their usefulness before the frail Kroot screen decides to flee/is wiped in combat.

I've tried this list time and time again but it kept getting nowhere.


Or is this thread about which faction we like the least in regards towards fluff and not playability/playstyle?

To address this, I don't really hate any faction.

ChiliPowderKeg wrote:I'm more against a specific net build than a faction. That being KrootspamDeathrainBroadsidespamMinHQminFirewarriorsInFishAndSomePathfinders Empire, I'm dumbfounded on how it works other than the HQ and Elite suits and Broadsides being assisted by pathfinders to max out their usefulness before the frail Kroot screen decides to flee/is wiped in combat.

I've tried this list time and time again but it kept getting nowhere.


Or is this thread about which faction we like the least in regards towards fluff and not playability/playstyle?

To address this, I don't really hate any faction.

In all honesty it was created with only the playable side in mind, but really it has degenerated into both aspects. I just like to get a general feel for what Dakka likes and doesn't like. Since the Poll is MC and has every race, I can finally see a LITERAL layout of what is most liked and least liked. Kinda interesting! CSM and IG taking the lowest spots are a surprising outcome to me.

It's actually orks and CSM taking the lowest two slots.

dajobe wrote:Im surprised that there has been so little IG hate, even though we are good on the tabletop, i guess it is kind of hard to hate the punching bag of the fluff. lol

I've been having trouble wrapping my head around this as well. I guess most people just hate other armies more and didnt know the thread is multiple choice? Where I play, we have several haters, so I expected to see IG in at least the top 5 on here.

Needless to say, being one of the least hated armies supposedly was definitely a pleasant surprise

AnomanderRake wrote:Black Templars; the whole 'Knights Templar' shtick is kind of strange, their army list is focused entirely around encouraging the munchkins (I mean, Land Raiders as transports for Troops choices? Really? Would you give Eldar FIre Prisms as transports for Troops? No? Didn't think so), they encourage lazy painters (spray-paint black, white on the shoulders, decals, done!)...

Land Raider Crusaders...which completely defeat the purpose of fielding a traditional land raider in the first place because they lack nearly all of the vehicle killing power of a traditional land raider.

yeah, such lazy painters we BT people are....actually, painting black, and painting it well, is one of the hardest things to do in painting. Yeah it starts out as pretty darn easy but as you learn it and grow as a painter, it becomes just as challenging as any other color.

Mordiggian wrote:Here's the thing. I like Vikings. I read sagas in trranslation.

Space Wolves are a cartoon version of what could be a fascinating and nuanced force if it were simply true to *any* version of the vikings but bad movie versions.

Egil Skallagrimsson serving the emperor! Frikkin awesome! H, Beam Piper's Space Vikings! Frikkin awesome! Goofy over-the-top Viking caricatures?

A hundred thousand times this.

You know, the faction I really dislike depends on who I am playing. i think I dislike any faction that the player has tried to match personality wise. The ork player who screams waaagh and acts beligerent. The space wolf player who has way too much facial hair, is way too aggressive, and smells bad. The condescending eldar player who is happy to tell you about how his tactics crushed you, or about how his army is super weak and gw has a vendetta against eldar and thats the only reason he lost. The angsty chaos player.

I hate sm because in the fluff they are the geatest and can not be beaten plus i hate their models

Gotta say that i hate all the non-vanilla space marine factions. Im a fairly new player, but i hate the way they play and think they are just stupid fluff wise. Its like it was all written by 15 year old testosterone junkies.

Furthermore, None of them are unique really. Most of them play like beefed up SM. It is ridiculous.

Just money sinks for GW. Would of been a much better route game mechanic wise to put it all in the same codex and allow the space marine player to pick a specific chapter to make their army have a chapter theme that would come with a few extra rules/units. That way, they could of also done that with the eldar, CSM, ect... Becuse those factions have just as much uniqueness and variety that is largely glossed over.

james1999 wrote:I hate sm because in the fluff they are the geatest and can not be beaten plus i hate their models

Then why is your avatar a picture of a Space Marine?

I hate any army that is based in an over-the-top fictional war-torn outerspace setting. How unrealistic.

BrotherVord wrote:

AnomanderRake wrote:Black Templars; the whole 'Knights Templar' shtick is kind of strange, their army list is focused entirely around encouraging the munchkins (I mean, Land Raiders as transports for Troops choices? Really? Would you give Eldar FIre Prisms as transports for Troops? No? Didn't think so), they encourage lazy painters (spray-paint black, white on the shoulders, decals, done!)...

Land Raider Crusaders...which completely defeat the purpose of fielding a traditional land raider in the first place because they lack nearly all of the vehicle killing power of a traditional land raider.

yeah, such lazy painters we BT people are....actually, painting black, and painting it well, is one of the hardest things to do in painting. Yeah it starts out as pretty darn easy but as you learn it and grow as a painter, it becomes just as challenging as any other color.

Those are some handsome BT models right there. I actually quite like the BT's the whole idea of giving Guilliman the two fingers and flying off to battle anything that gets in your way on a never ending bender of destruction across the stars. Yeah that's pretty damn extreme and fits their extreme outlook.


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Eidolon wrote:You know, the faction I really dislike depends on who I am playing. i think I dislike any faction that the player has tried to match personality wise. The ork player who screams waaagh and acts beligerent. The space wolf player who has way too much facial hair, is way too aggressive, and smells bad. The condescending eldar player who is happy to tell you about how his tactics crushed you, or about how his army is super weak and gw has a vendetta against eldar and thats the only reason he lost. The angsty chaos player.

Or the Smug looking GK player that knows regardless of what happen's he'll probably win!

Eldar, I just don't like 'em.
Strangely, I like Dark Eldar, though...

Then I'd have to say GK, which sadens me as I love the Inquisitors and Assassins... And even with the new ally rules I have to have a squad of stupid GK....

Then Space Puppies, grrr....

Then Tau, then Nids....

d3m01iti0n wrote:

captain collius wrote:BT- Their fluff and fans drive me nuts.

Only because you got cocky in a thread and we roflstomped you. Take your lumps like a man and move on, sheesh.

Dude you didn't win and your chapter is deal with it Besides every time the templars fans come out they bring out the same tired stories. We are the biggest chapter(okay but you are not a cohesive force so therefore bull.

Second Grimaldus got some dust on him whoop de doo now he is the greatest thing since sliced bread. Uhh then why does no use him ohh right that's cause he is not worth it and the model is terrible.

Third the templar organization is the stupidest thing I've ever seen so you put your less than ready young soldier in the midst of the worst of the fighting (DUMB)

Fourth Remember this each Codex is written to give a powerful fluff slant to the reader. Do you read about losses in there no. So just remember you all get your butts kicked everytime.

captain collius wrote:

d3m01iti0n wrote:

captain collius wrote:BT- Their fluff and fans drive me nuts.

Only because you got cocky in a thread and we roflstomped you. Take your lumps like a man and move on, sheesh.

Dude you didn't win and your chapter is deal with it Besides every time the templars fans come out they bring out the same tired stories. We are the biggest chapter(okay but you are not a cohesive force so therefore bull.

Second Grimaldus got some dust on him whoop de doo now he is the greatest thing since sliced bread. Uhh then why does no use him ohh right that's cause he is not worth it and the model is terrible.

Third the templar organization is the stupidest thing I've ever seen so you put your less than ready young soldier in the midst of the worst of the fighting (DUMB)

Fourth Remember this each Codex is written to give a powerful fluff slant to the reader. Do you read about losses in there no. So just remember you all get your butts kicked everytime.

I previously advised you to be a man and move on. Its a game centered around little plastic spacemen. Youre getting a little too butthurt.

d3m01iti0n wrote:

captain collius wrote:

d3m01iti0n wrote:

captain collius wrote:BT- Their fluff and fans drive me nuts.

Only because you got cocky in a thread and we roflstomped you. Take your lumps like a man and move on, sheesh.

Dude you didn't win and your chapter is deal with it Besides every time the templars fans come out they bring out the same tired stories. We are the biggest chapter(okay but you are not a cohesive force so therefore bull.

Second Grimaldus got some dust on him whoop de doo now he is the greatest thing since sliced bread. Uhh then why does no use him ohh right that's cause he is not worth it and the model is terrible.

Third the templar organization is the stupidest thing I've ever seen so you put your less than ready young soldier in the midst of the worst of the fighting (DUMB)

Fourth Remember this each Codex is written to give a powerful fluff slant to the reader. Do you read about losses in there no. So just remember you all get your butts kicked everytime.

I previously advised you to be a man and move on. Its a game centered around little plastic spacemen. Youre getting a little too butthurt.

I made a point you can't counter with a legitimate counterpoint. That is not having as you put it "butthurt" that is called an argument. Also note that there are a lot of people who dislike your chapter on this very thread so you did not roflstomp you did not argue you cried. Please be an adult and go away.

Tau - because they are commie bastards.

Fluff-wise we own you, in fact we own everybody. Only loss you speak of is a very vague reference to DA being a bunch of heretics and taking out a BT ship. Remember when the Imperium had a little thing going called The Great Crusade and actually Got Stuff Done? Thats what we do, all day.

You came into a thread comparing BA, BT, and DA, and shot your mouth off. You had 3-4 BT fans jump on you and all you did was dig yourself deeper. Were over it. You came right in here and shot your mouth off again. You want to pretend youre the big man, like that never happened, fine. Im troll proof bro so enjoy your thread.

Are people actually fighting over which marine chapter is coolest? I mean, I dont really care for the black templar, I think their fluff is kind of boring and one dimensional, but thats just like, my opinion bro, and I hope anyone who plays an army likes them.

d3m01iti0n wrote:Fluff-wise we own you, in fact we own everybody. Only loss you speak of is a very vague reference to DA being a bunch of heretics and taking out a BT ship. Remember when the Imperium had a little thing going called The Great Crusade and actually Got Stuff Done? Thats what we do, all day.

You came into a thread comparing BA, BT, and DA, and shot your mouth off. You had 3-4 BT fans jump on you and all you did was dig yourself deeper. Were over it. You came right in here and shot your mouth off again. You want to pretend youre the big man, like that never happened, fine. Im troll proof bro so enjoy your thread.

Again. Do you have any proof? No, you have none. Just don't act like a donkey, I stated an opinion you started attacking.

captain collius wrote:

d3m01iti0n wrote:Fluff-wise we own you, in fact we own everybody. Only loss you speak of is a very vague reference to DA being a bunch of heretics and taking out a BT ship. Remember when the Imperium had a little thing going called The Great Crusade and actually Got Stuff Done? Thats what we do, all day.

You came into a thread comparing BA, BT, and DA, and shot your mouth off. You had 3-4 BT fans jump on you and all you did was dig yourself deeper. Were over it. You came right in here and shot your mouth off again. You want to pretend youre the big man, like that never happened, fine. Im troll proof bro so enjoy your thread.

Again. Do you have any proof? No, you have none. Just don't act like a donkey, I stated an opinion you started attacking.

I know I'm not a Mod or anything, but children, STOP. Take it to PM's this thread is not the place for this.

As a playable faction, I'd say I have the biggest problem with Grey Knights. They are a single Chapter (though perhaps larger than 1000 dudes) who have to cover the entire Imperium, and are used for surgical strikes against a very specific enemy.

Them being portrayed as a standing force with tanks and other hardware designed for open warfare just seems silly.

d3m01iti0n wrote:Fluff-wise we own you, in fact we own everybody. Only loss you speak of is a very vague reference to DA being a bunch of heretics and taking out a BT ship. Remember when the Imperium had a little thing going called The Great Crusade and actually Got Stuff Done? Thats what we do, all day.

You came into a thread comparing BA, BT, and DA, and shot your mouth off. You had 3-4 BT fans jump on you and all you did was dig yourself deeper. Were over it. You came right in here and shot your mouth off again. You want to pretend youre the big man, like that never happened, fine. Im troll proof bro so enjoy your thread.

I always laugh when, in the midst of these heated nerguments, people begin to refer to their preferred faction of plastic toy soldiers, in the first person plural.

Why so much Grey Knight hate? I've got a friend who plays GK, and it is quite a fun army to fight and play. (I've borrowed them a few times)

I always laugh at these heated arguments regardless.

captain collius wrote:

d3m01iti0n wrote:

captain collius wrote:BT- Their fluff and fans drive me nuts.

Only because you got cocky in a thread and we roflstomped you. Take your lumps like a man and move on, sheesh.

Dude you didn't win and your chapter is deal with it Besides every time the templars fans come out they bring out the same tired stories. We are the biggest chapter(okay but you are not a cohesive force so therefore bull.

Second Grimaldus got some dust on him whoop de doo now he is the greatest thing since sliced bread. Uhh then why does no use him ohh right that's cause he is not worth it and the model is terrible.

Third the templar organization is the stupidest thing I've ever seen so you put your less than ready young soldier in the midst of the worst of the fighting (DUMB)

Fourth Remember this each Codex is written to give a powerful fluff slant to the reader. Do you read about losses in there no. So just remember you all get your butts kicked everytime.

I'll go ahead and chime on on this, but I'm not gonna get angry or anyone. First we are the biggest chapter, and I do find that kinda cool. I know it is a tired argument, but I like it because it has the same feeling as the Crusades themselves. The Crusades had many armies that were working in tandem, but not quite in with each other at all times. This is extremely like their current organization and the correlation between the two I find quite cool. If you take no interest in The Crusades IRL than the Black Templars will interest you a whole lot less. This IMO is one of those things.

The story with Grimaldus is just like any other ridiculous SM story, and has it's cool parts while being over the top. You can go ahead and generalize it by using your "dust on him" analogy, but if you have ever read the book the story isn't all that bad. Sadly our Codex is quite old and he is obviously outdated, and as such a bad choice for the current game. I don't find his model to be particularly bad, just not one of the best out there so I can understand why you have no love for it.

Your third point is a bit misplaced. On the tabletop it's exactly what you said, run the youngins into battle and have them take all the wounds. However the lore points it out to be much more the Initiate's choice to send them forward or hang back. Each Neophyte gets one Initiate that is charged with protecting and training them. It would be their call whether the Neophyte would advance, or sit back and watch while he showed them how to do it. This is one of my favorite parts of the fluff that is sadly not so represented on the tabletop, as who doesn't love a Master - Pupil situation? It's pretty cool from a Space Marine perspective. I would rather be a Neophyte, get to know my Initiate, grow to be as good as him and than fight along side him than be a Scout in a Scout regiment, and than get thrown into my all new duties as a full fledged Astarte's. Additionally you may actually survive longer being surrounded by Space Marines rather than running off on your own and having some Kroot laughably ambush and eat you.

And fourth is entirely spot on. If anyone doesn't think the BT take some nasty casualties at times they weren't reading the fluff. However, just like the real Crusades while taking a lot of casualties they usually inflicted just as many once they broke the lines and had the enemies fleeing. I see the BT in the same light and they play that way on the table. This is part of why I like them too, as it gives them less of the "Movie Marine" syndrome where you feel like they are suppose to be unstoppable monsters. BT get there only through working together and advancing as one group.

That is my opinion on it. If you can't at least understand the PoV but not share it, which should be do-able after that explanation, than nothing else is worth being said.

GalacticDefender wrote:Why so much Grey Knight hate? I've got a friend who plays GK, and it is quite a fun army to fight and play. (I've borrowed them a few times)

I think it comes down to a few things, but mainly two. One is that the general consensus seems to be that their fluff was changed for the worse. People don't really like them in the current iteration, and their overall popularity at the FLGS makes it even worse as they should be one of the more rare sights in the universe. The second would be that they are the people abused the most in the tournament seen. All armies can be fun to play with and play against, but it's all about not bringing those net lists and using your own brain to think of what you want to play. If you are just a mindless follower of the internet and win because of it, I think it generates a lot of hate. Since GK are one of the only people who can reliably do this, the hate goes to them and and the player equally.