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I like all armies in a sense. All of them have a certain appeal let it be fluff, looks, and gameplay. However I do have a least favorite, and they are Black Templars. The reason is... It irks me a little that a second founding chapter has its own codex, and before some says "well BA, SW, and DA have their own codex's and they are Marines" argument, this is what I have to say. BA, DA, and SW are first founding chapters with their own establish themes that they "own" in a sense. To me it seems that BT are a bunch of mushed up ideas thrown into a single army.

GW was all like....."look guys we need another army"..."how about another Xeno faction?"....."no we have to many of those lets do a new marine army! yeah will give it the the knight theme GK has, the rebellious feel the SW got going, make them fighty like BA, and the same clothing designers as DA!"..."whoooo Brilliant! Promotions for everyone!"

Ultrafool wrote:I like all armies in a sense. All of them have a certain appeal let it be fluff, looks, and gameplay. However I do have a least favorite, and they are Black Templars. The reason is... It irks me a little that a second founding chapter has its own codex, and before some says "well BA, SW, and DA have their own codex's and they are Marines" argument, this is what I have to say. BA, DA, and SW are first founding chapters with their own establish themes that they "own" in a sense. To me it seems that BT are a bunch of mushed up ideas thrown into a single army.

GW was all like....."look guys we need another army"..."how about another Xeno faction?"....."no we have to many of those lets do a new marine army! yeah will give it the the knight theme GK has, the rebellious feel the SW got going, make them fighty like BA, and the same clothing designers as DA!"..."whoooo Brilliant! Promotions for everyone!"

This counts doubly so, when you consider the White Scars, Salamanders, Raven Guard, Imperial Fists and Iron Hands all get very little in Codex Space Marines. I would like to see a change in the Codex structure to "Codex Son's of Dorn" with Crimson Fists, Imperial Fists and Black templars in One book. The likes of Captain Cortez and Vladimir Pugh should have character models and stat lines. Codex Space Marines should be generic and maybe a "Codex 1st Legions" for Salamanders, Iron Hands, Raven Guard and White scars..

But all we will get is 6th Edition BT, BA , SW, GK probably.

Sad but true.

No Word Bearers?

mwnciboo wrote:

Ultrafool wrote:I like all armies in a sense. All of them have a certain appeal let it be fluff, looks, and gameplay. However I do have a least favorite, and they are Black Templars. The reason is... It irks me a little that a second founding chapter has its own codex, and before some says "well BA, SW, and DA have their own codex's and they are Marines" argument, this is what I have to say. BA, DA, and SW are first founding chapters with their own establish themes that they "own" in a sense. To me it seems that BT are a bunch of mushed up ideas thrown into a single army.

GW was all like....."look guys we need another army"..."how about another Xeno faction?"....."no we have to many of those lets do a new marine army! yeah will give it the the knight theme GK has, the rebellious feel the SW got going, make them fighty like BA, and the same clothing designers as DA!"..."whoooo Brilliant! Promotions for everyone!"

This counts doubly so, when you consider the White Scars, Salamanders, Raven Guard, Imperial Fists and Iron Hands all get very little in Codex Space Marines. I would like to see a change in the Codex structure to "Codex Son's of Dorn" with Crimson Fists, Imperial Fists and Black templars in One book. The likes of Captain Cortez and Vladimir Pugh should have character models and stat lines. Codex Space Marines should be generic and maybe a "Codex 1st Legions" for Salamanders, Iron Hands, Raven Guard and White scars..

But all we will get is 6th Edition BT, BA , SW, GK probably.

I have been discussing something similar at my FLGS. Lots of people love to get on the "cram all marines in one codex" bandwagon. I can understand where they are coming from, at the same time I love my DA. After hours/days of (surprisingly calm and logical) debate, we agreed on a common compromise. It was to take DA and BA and roll them into one codex something like Angels of Death back in the day, and throw BT in there also. That way you would have a codex for "vanilla" marines that follow the codex astartes closely, and a codex for the chapters that do their own thing.

It would make it easier to make it so that each of the chapters can represent it's own play style. Rather than just add another 6+ IC to the already long list of special IC in the vanilla marine codex and trying to add tonnes of pages describing how each of their units would be different. That way you could still focus on making the vanilla marine codex represent the chapters it does, with all the IC it already has.

The only thing a I don't totally agree with is the idea of separating out Salamanders, iron hands, white scars, ect... from the vanilla codex into their own dex. Using them are some of the best parts of the codex. I could see maybe taking Imperial Fists and their successors (such as BT and crimson fists) and rolling them into the above codex, since IF are a founding chapter. That and creating more SM codices would probably cause more rage than 6th ed will,

To sum it up, we would then have SW, GK, SM, and the Angels of Death(or whatever you would call the other combined dex). For a total of 4, instead of 6. Not perfect, but it does reduce the number of marine codices by 2, 1/3, or 33%, whichever way you want to look at it. Xenos players win with less marine dexes, and marine players win needing less dexes to represent their marines without as much dumbing down that would need to happen to cram them in one.

Just some ideas my local gamers and I were tossing around.

Tadashi wrote:

Grey elder wrote:
Now somebody feed me/

Both the Crimson King and the Lord of Ultramar say feed yourself.

BronzeJon wrote:

Tadashi wrote:

Milisim wrote:Next week it will be 6E so get ready =]

Codex: Blood Ravens...

Blood ravens are ultramarines who happen to like more psykers and books. Nothing else different.

Jeers and boos.

By the way, Von Chogg. About your sig, WHAT happened off the Craftworld?

Indeed! Magnus and Guiliman (spelling?) are my favourite primarchs haha, Don't much like the imperium tho, to go back to the OT though...

With exceptions being certain marine chapters heh.

And Tadashi... You don't wanna know...

borneo424 wrote:I dont like necrons. Eygptian robots. I think it must just be the look of them I dont like.

I preferred the old fluff, simply because i thought a single minded galactic threat to RIVAL the 'nids was cool...


Von Chogg

Well according to the rumours there will be a Chaos Legions Codex... so I think if anything that there should be a Loyalist Legions Codex. A generic codex with different methods of fielding the army/characters that alter the army to suit each of the 1st founding chapters.

But on-topic. I hate the new GK rules, fluff all of it. They might as well BE the inquisition now... I hate the way SW have had about as much thought put into them as a peanut butter jelly sandwich... I hate BA for having some seriously messed up rules as well as some turd sandwich fluff... I hate the current C:SM for it being a lot like the blue man group and Matt Ward's unwanted love child.... I hate the Newcrons for utterly destroying their ethos/backgroud/feel/re-writing of just about everything that made them THEM... I hate IG for effectively being 10 wound heavy weapons teams and their mech pals... I hate C:CD for being so utterly weak that only the best of the best can win with them and for taking away REAL deamons from the chaos marines codex.... I hate the C:CSM for being so dull and just evil SM.... I hate BT for getting their own codex.... I hate Nids for being the obvious winners in the end.... I hate Tau for being the 'good' guys.... I hate Eldar for having pointy ears.... I hate Dark Eldar for having pointy ears and being better at being evil than chaos..... I hate Dark Angels for basically being codex emo spacemarines with a few unique special characters/wargear.... and ummmm.... yeah I have no problem with SoB and Orks. Orks make me laugh... they're plants.... and the Sisters I actually just feel sorry for, they get raped in every bit of fluff I've ever read (even the ones they don't feature in) and don't actually have their own REAL codex. That WD gak doesn't count (it's like that one person you know that no one really likes, is utterly annoying and a bit of a dweeb but doesn't realise it, so you put up with them because no one else will and you know that if you don't they'll jump off a bridge and you'd just feel really bad about it because you know you'd have to go the funeral and their mother would be a wreck and you really just don't want to have to deal with an emotionally broken woman who believed her son/daughter/hermaphrodite/offspring was actually all the things they're not because you really wouldn't want to have to lie to her face about how great her son/daughter/hermaphrodite/offspring was just in case you crack and tell her the truth which would just make you feel even worse and decide to go and join them under the bridge the quick way down.....)

Wow I'm gona have to stop staying awake for 24 hours straight and drinking so much caffeine I nearly explode and then going into a semi-coherent rant about gak. This has taken me about half an hour to write...

It's not discrimination if you hate everyone equally.

pwntallica wrote:It's not discrimination if you hate everyone equally.

Then why are you even here? If you hate everyone in 40k, why are you still here for?

Chaos Lady wrote:

pwntallica wrote:It's not discrimination if you hate everyone equally.

Then why are you even here? If you hate everyone in 40k, why are you still here for?

I don't hate hate everyone, in fact quite the opposite. I was referring to the post above mine.

Grey Knights, they are better at killing the Tyranids than the Daemons. WOT?!? Their fluff has gone from badass and mysterious to childish and silly. And Draigo just gives me a headache every time I see his fluff.

Hmmm. The only races I -do- like in 40k are Imperial humans, a few Astartes Chapters (and the renegade Thousand Sons & Emperors Children) and the Orks. Rest I dislike. If I had to weedle out one I really could not stand it would be a tie between Tau, Grey Knights & Eldar (both types). But I can't pick one of those to vote for as I dislike them equally. Ho-humm.

I absolutely despise what GW did with the Grey Knights.

I couldn't care less if they're 'overpowered' or are flavor-of-the-month, there will always be some army that fills that role.

Grey Knights should never have been developed as an all-comers force, they're anti-daemon specialists and should have remained so. GW would have been better off developing Adeptus Mechanicus, an army in which preposterous walkers would make sense. I played Grey Knights in the Rogue Trader days and the newest incarnation of them was profoundly disappointing.

As an Iron Hands player, I would love to see a Codex Adeptus mechanicus.

On topic, it's clear that the GK's are despised by a significant number and I have to say after my hate for BA's, GK's are a close second. This should be a clear indication to GW to rein them in with a 6th Edition Errata or FAQ. It ain't gonna happen, I just thought I'd throw in a possible solution.

Bobthehero wrote:Orks, can't stand their fluff.

toxic_ninja_78 wrote:I guess the Imperial Guard. Just plain old soldiers. Kinda boring to me.
Space Marines are a close second. I do like the Dreadnaught.
Eldar and Orks are tied for third. Eldar look weird, but the Orks just kinda ruined orcs in every other game I play. I can't take Thrall seriously anymore. Glad I picked a Blood Elf Death Knight.

Gorgarak wrote:SIsters of Battle are mine. I dont have anything overly personal against them. I dont mind women fighting in grim dark future. I think it's just the whole idea of Catholic church in space. Hasn't tickled my fancy yet!
But Orks? Let me tell ya...

Ignatius wrote:Orks. I'm just not a real fan of how they fit in with everything. I don't like the humor that they bring into the game. If I wanted to laugh at something then I would go watch comedy central. I don't want it or need it in this game. They are the only army I could do without in this game and the only one that I wouldn't ever want to play

NL_Cirrus wrote:I hate Orks, their fluff is absolutely stupid.

Just picked out all the hate on the orks.
It all depends on the light you throw on the orks, if you look at the original fluff the whole "Space hulk chant song: ere we go ere we go, ere we go, ere we goooo!" then mabye I would be inclined to agree with you.
But if you look at the whole "This is nubgrod the slayer calling, we want 1000 shootas everytime we visit" "No that shall never happen" "I have some gargants with me" "Let us have some time to consider" "Nah I feel the like letting the gargants out after all"

That's sheer brutality, they may be slow witted but they're evolved plant form perfectly engineered for combat and killing. It's only comedic if you look at their speech, but that's portrayed phonetically. If you were there I don't think you'd laugh at them, perhaps you'd change your pants.

Anyway, orks are the best and as this is a site based on the ork saying of "Dakka Dakka" are you suggesting that they should rename it to "The emperor protects" go hate elsewhere

GK. They're terrors on the tabletop, and their fluff just ROARS of overpowered Mary Sues, besides the fact that there's no reason they'd have their own codex.

Next, come newsmurfs. Because GODDAMN IT, Ward.

I don't hate any factions. I dislike what GW has done to some of them though.

Worst offenders first: Orks moving from the galaxy's obnoxious neighbors and becoming an unstoppable force of idiot-savant, rapidly growing space fungus was just plain stupid. Orks (and their fantasy half) were always the army for the players who didn't want to take the game so seriously. I don't want my orks to be scary and galaxy consuming. I want them to be lovably destructive, making war because they don't really know how to do anything else, and doing it with panache and all sorts of wonky gadgets that kill them a fair amount of the time. In the old days, a Waaaaaaaaagh! was a rare event. Something that only happened when a warlord emerged who was so powerful he could pull that many orks together. When Orks are numberless and *poof!* into a dozen more incomprehensibly rapid-developing orks when they die, the Waaaaagh! is inevitable and really not that cool.


Honorable mentions:

Sisters going from fanatical nuns in space being turned into magical nuns in space was stupid.

Grey Knights becoming their own "We butcher everything" army when they used to be a mysterious, rarely seen force that specialized in killing daemons was a great marketing move, but I didn't like from a player standpoint. The giant Terminator carrier robot is horrible too. Not only ludicrous and ugly, but also completely out of sync with the technological aesthetic of the Imperium.

Dark Eldar. I just don't get what's to like about them unless you're an elf fanboi. Or into S&M so much that it bleeds into every aspect of your life, lol. Fetishists in Space. I thought the Dark Eldar could have been so much better executed, especially given the amount of super-creative "Chaos Eldar" armies in 2nd Edition that gave rise to GW finally making actual rules and models for Dark Eldar in an attempt to cash in. What we got just ends up being one of the less interesting, more over the top armies in the game, but without any real character or motivations. Too much "Fantasy in Space" without any real justification for existing other than "Hey, moneys!"

Space Wolves. The Rogue Trader Space Wolves were awesome. Starting in 2nd Edition, the wolf iconography got a bit too heavy. By 5th, they'd become caricatures of Space Marines.

Black Templars army codex books are just sorta silly. Another "tack on" Space Marine list that really does what the Blood Angels and Space Wolves were supposed to do already at the time (though the Wolves later evolved in a different direction). The concept of fanatical Crusadey Space Marines is cool. Hooked me in at first when they were released back in the day. The fact that all of their fluff is ludicrous and their tactics shamefully stupid doesn't help their case though.

KrimsunBaron wrote:
Just picked out all the hate on the orks.
It all depends on the light you throw on the orks, if you look at the original fluff the whole "Space hulk chant song: ere we go ere we go, ere we go, ere we goooo!" then mabye I would be inclined to agree with you.
But if you look at the whole "This is nubgrod the slayer calling, we want 1000 shootas everytime we visit" "No that shall never happen" "I have some gargants with me" "Let us have some time to consider" "Nah I feel the like letting the gargants out after all"

That's sheer brutality, they may be slow witted but they're evolved plant form perfectly engineered for combat and killing. It's only comedic if you look at their speech, but that's portrayed phonetically. If you were there I don't think you'd laugh at them, perhaps you'd change your pants.

Anyway, orks are the best and as this is a site based on the ork saying of "Dakka Dakka" are you suggesting that they should rename it to "The emperor protects" go hate elsewhere

Orks don't make me laugh, they're annoying at best, feels like they're over doing their ''fun'' side.

KrimsunBaron wrote:

Bobthehero wrote:Orks, can't stand their fluff.

toxic_ninja_78 wrote:I guess the Imperial Guard. Just plain old soldiers. Kinda boring to me.
Space Marines are a close second. I do like the Dreadnaught.
Eldar and Orks are tied for third. Eldar look weird, but the Orks just kinda ruined orcs in every other game I play. I can't take Thrall seriously anymore. Glad I picked a Blood Elf Death Knight.

Gorgarak wrote:SIsters of Battle are mine. I dont have anything overly personal against them. I dont mind women fighting in grim dark future. I think it's just the whole idea of Catholic church in space. Hasn't tickled my fancy yet!
But Orks? Let me tell ya...

Ignatius wrote:Orks. I'm just not a real fan of how they fit in with everything. I don't like the humor that they bring into the game. If I wanted to laugh at something then I would go watch comedy central. I don't want it or need it in this game. They are the only army I could do without in this game and the only one that I wouldn't ever want to play

NL_Cirrus wrote:I hate Orks, their fluff is absolutely stupid.

Just picked out all the hate on the orks.
It all depends on the light you throw on the orks, if you look at the original fluff the whole "Space hulk chant song: ere we go ere we go, ere we go, ere we goooo!" then mabye I would be inclined to agree with you.
But if you look at the whole "This is nubgrod the slayer calling, we want 1000 shootas everytime we visit" "No that shall never happen" "I have some gargants with me" "Let us have some time to consider" "Nah I feel the like letting the gargants out after all"

That's sheer brutality, they may be slow witted but they're evolved plant form perfectly engineered for combat and killing. It's only comedic if you look at their speech, but that's portrayed phonetically. If you were there I don't think you'd laugh at them, perhaps you'd change your pants.

Anyway, orks are the best and as this is a site based on the ork saying of "Dakka Dakka" are you suggesting that they should rename it to "The emperor protects" go hate elsewhere

Hey guy, this is a thread asking what race i liked the least. I'm sorry that me not liking orks hurts your feelings somehow, but you getting upset about it and trying to defend them isn't going to change my opinion that's for sure.

Bobthehero wrote:Orks, can't stand their fluff.

What?

Also, I loathe Grey Knights.

Their whole, if I can think it, it happens feels slowed to me.

Sure it makes their gear work better than it should, but a gun without bullets shouldn't fire and a truck without gas shouldn't go forward. As for red paint making things go faster... eh.

Also, the way they talk is annoying, and they're loud as hell, at least in DoW.

I can't stand the new Necrons. I hate the fluff.

I loved the concept of the old necrons being implacable alien killing machines. They were the only real alien race. Alien in that they were completely unknowable. They had a defintie purpose, but nobody really knew what it was. Even the Tyrandis were more relate-able because of their drive to feed, necrons killed people for no apparent or really understandable reason.

Now they're just robot space egyptians.

Reivax26 wrote:What do you know...Grey Knights were 24% of the field at Adepticon this year and after my vote they have a commanding lead at 24% as the most hated army in the game. I love it. Almost brought a tear to my eye lol

Grey Knights are my close-second choice. They should never have been made a stand-alone army but should have been kept in Daemonhunters. And then there's that GK fluff. Honestly, I could have eaten a ream of paper and puked a better codex than anything He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named has ever dropped on an unsuspecting gaming public.


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Thatguyoverthere wrote:I can't stand the new Necrons. I hate the fluff.

I loved the concept of the old necrons being implacable alien killing machines. They were the only real alien race. Alien in that they were completely unknowable. They had a defintie purpose, but nobody really knew what it was. Even the Tyrandis were more relate-able because of their drive to feed, necrons killed people for no apparent or really understandable reason.

Now they're just robot space egyptians.

Spot on. Now they're just Nehekharons.

Veteran Sergeant wrote:Grey Knights becoming their own "We butcher everything" army when they used to be a mysterious, rarely seen force that specialized in killing daemons was a great marketing move, but I didn't like from a player standpoint.

You know this is my only real complaint about GK. The inquisition used to be this shadow organization of ultra-elites that were so awesome and so rare that basically the only place you ever saw them was as allies where ultramarines or ten imperial guard armies were already fighting somewhere and the inquisitior showed up with five grey knights and said "You're ours now. Let's go fight over here for reasons you can't know, much less comprehend." They were individualized, awesome, and over all really, really cool. The way that the rules were for them happenstantially made most players who fielded them actually field them in a way congruous with this fluff.

And then they got their own codex, so now they were everywhere. Just another mainstream army. More boring power armor. They went from rare superheroes amongst superheroes doing the absolute best at the absolute most dangerous in utter secrecy to... grey space marines. Grey space marines that a quarter of people play at big events.

I could scarcely be more let down by what happened to one of the legitimately coolest factions in the game.

The armies I don't like:
Black Templars
Blood Angels
Chaos Daemons
Chaos Space Marines
Dark Angels
Necrons
Orks
Sisters of Battle
Space Wolves
Tau Empire

Which one I dislike the most ...
Tough call. Toss up between SW and BA. I've never liked either of them. Not since they got their own army lists back in the mists of RT. Also never liked orks - but I can see why some would find their uncivilised football hooligan ways attractive (and why such a blot on the genepool needs cleansing).

The rest I just don't like the aesthetics of, the models of, the background of, the pastiche of background of, or I just don't like them.

I'm also not fond of the Blood Angels for many of the same reasons as Ailaros is. Virtually none of their abilities are given any fluff justification. "Our vehicles all go faster...just because." Being one of the most hideous offenders. "We get this fancy gunship no one else but the Grey Knights do...just because..." Being another. "Our land raiders can be dropped from orbit onto a battlefield...just because..." Being particularly egregious.

Space Wolves for me.

They actually have a rather cool idea at their heart (vikings in space!), but the whole way it has been pulled of in detail, them seemingly having the monopoly on winning unwinnable fights (is there actually an instance where they have lost even once?), and additionally getting away with flipping their finger at just about any other Imperial faction (including the Inquisition for feth's sake) just disgusts me and makes them look terribly Mary-Sue. Wasted potential, imo. :(

Panzerboy26 wrote:Tau.

They need to take their bright, hopeful, goody-goody view/outlook of the universe, jump into their frakking Gundams and get back into the Anime they were ripped out of.

They are damaging my GrimDark with their very presence, and they need to be removed.

So you give them a downvote because you don't know a single thing about their fluff and use basic stereotypes against everything?
Give me a try.

sisters of battle: dominatrix females that get killed by everyone.

orks: idiotic green bodybuilders who don't belong in the GRIMDARK universe of 40K because they add some humour.

space marines: herp derp i hate ward ultramarines fanboy immortal angels of death.

dark eldar: S&M loving torturing people who by adding some diversity should not belong in your GRIMDARK universe.

Should i continue? /rant over

(Note i actually really like the majority of these races i was just proving a point.)

As an admittedly fluff driven loyalist Space Marine player, I just cannot stand cowardly, traitourous chaos marines of any flavor. Not a huge fan of the models either.

Unfortunately as their codex is so long in the tooth I do not get much of a chance to stomp them anymore as they seem to rarely show up in games.

I hope they get a new codex soon, so they experience a renaissance and appear more on the field with better rules that will make crushing them that more satisfying.

Im surprised that there has been so little IG hate, even though we are good on the tabletop, i guess it is kind of hard to hate the punching bag of the fluff. lol