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Mynameisalie wrote:LOL!
For some reason I feel a real need to spam, but I'll refrain from it.
Wait a second...
This is my 301st post!
I feel like I should include something of worth in it.
Ok, well, someone mentioned earlier about my race? Yes, It's true. I have been trying to see whether this could support a theory I have formulated for my race for the last 8 odd posts I have made. Hate me if you will. But hey! I'm an idealist!
That's actually all I can currently think of... God I need to lay off the coke and coffee.


Race? What race?

I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.

'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' 
   
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Erm, it's nothing important. Just a race I thought up. I got a lot of disdain for it...


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It wasn't very well based at first. So I've had to redesign it multiple times.

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Is it related to your cat goddess avatar? If it is, I'd say its doing fine.

I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.

'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' 
   
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She's not the goddess... She's a priestess of the Artaich. Stupid name for a goddess, I know. I was going to make the Artaich a benign Tzeentch greater daemon, if you see where I'm going...
And thanks, btw. I appreciate your support .
I'll PM you the current fluff so far, if you like. You don't have to say yes.
And the name of the Lynx on my avatar is Amber. She's a special character in my race.

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Sure. I'll be waiting. I'll send you the fluff on the custom Chapter I use for our group's RP games - as soon as I compile it.

I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.

'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' 
   
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Ok, will do. I haven't changed the goddess notion yet, so it's not up-to-date with the info I'm getting. In truth, most of the fluffs I'll be making with polls is to secretly see whether I could fit something into my race. However, I only started doing that on this thread on the 4th page.

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Lynata wrote:
LoneLictor wrote:Dude, it's true. The Chaos Gods are powered by emotion, and though in the grim darkness of the far future most emotion is negative in some way, some is good. Thus, the Chaos Gods aren't completely evil, just mostly evil. Like a guy who tortures small animals but loves his ma.
I'm fairly sure this is not how it works. An individuum cannot be good and evil at the same time, especially since we are not discerning between "small animals" and "ma" here but these four entities' stance towards humanity. And from everything I've seen, this stance is fairly consistent.

The chaos gods aren't presented as 'evil' in an abstract sense, they're not moustache-twirling villains (even if badly-written traitors are), it's just that as embodiments of primordial, unfettered emotions they are inimical to little things like physical laws and the continued existence of sapient life. It's just not within their nature to moderate what they represent to conform to what we would define as 'good'.

Mynameisalie wrote:Can you turn each of the Greater Daemons of each Chaos God into a benign daemon? I dare you to try it. The only one I can do is Tzeentch. So, you have to create a Greater Daemon of each Ruinous Power using only the positive aspects of that god.

Not without going against how the setting presents chaos and the warp, and (more importantly) not without flying in the face of the setting's long-established tone and style, no you can't. If you want to write material to expand an established fictional universe, there are concepts you need to learn to understand.



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*shrugs*
Sure. However, a new God could step around that problem. My idea was that a crystal, not native to the Milky Way, trapped a Greater Daemon of Tzeentch within its deepest confines. When my race began to worship it, it eventually became a benign daemon, through influx of positive emotion attributed to Tzeentch.

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[sarcasm]Yes, because a benevolent chaos god and his race of friendly, magic crystal-wielding, universe-saving cat people perfectly fit Warhammer 40,000, a setting in which mankind's only hope is an unimaginable brutal and totalitarian society ruled over by a rotting psychic cadaver kept clinging to an agonising life by the sacrifice of thousands every day.[/sarcasm]

'Theme' and 'atmosphere' are not just empty words.

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I'm not saying the god is benevolent, I'm saying the daemon is. Anyway, can we get back on topic? Cause otherwise this thread will collapse.

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Lynata wrote:
Grey Templar wrote:He's been around far longer then the Chaos Gods have.
Hence my theory that Khaine could have evolved into Khorne, since the thoughs and emotions of the people have a direct influence on the warp, thusly "tainting" it. And as new races popped up all over the galaxy, all with their own violent cultures ...

Actually, how long has Khorne been around? I only know of Slaanesh being "fairly new".


There is no sense of time in the Warp, from the material realm we see things linear, but in the warp the Gods have always and never existed.

Codex Chaos Daemons: That is how events are viewed from the chronology of the real universe; in the Warp, things are different. The Realm of Chaos has no true time, and events do not occur in a strict sequence of cause and effect. In essence Slaanesh has always existed in the Warp, and yet has never existed.


Khorne is the first to come in being, then Tzeentch and then Nurgle.

Lost and the Damned: Khorne was the first of the Great Powers to wake fully, and an era of wars and conflict raged across the Globe ... By the End of the Middle Ages all three of there Chaos Powers had awoken to full consciousness.


Lynata wrote:
Grey Templar wrote:It seems odd then that Khaine would have fought against Slannesh, lost, and then get broken into lots of pieces. Seems that Khorne would be strangely absent from the pantheon.
Or maybe Khorne is one such piece. Or maybe the "breaking" should not be taken literal but rather in a figurative meaning.

There's a lot of ways to make it work. Of course there's nothing I can provide as "proof", I'm just pointing out some very suspicious similarities concerning these gods' name as well as their domains. Apparently, Khaine used to be revered as the god of "murder, violence, destruction and war", whereas Khorne is revered as the god of "hate, violence, rage and bloodshed". So ... duh.


Previous fluff does seem to suggest this, and you know what that means Lynata

WD 127When Kaela Mensha Khaine, the Bloody Handed God of the Eldar, fought with Slaanesh the Lord of Pleasure, he was quickly overwhelmed and his energy captured by the newborn God. For the Bloody Handed God was as much a part of Slaanesh as of Khorne - being a product of that part of the Eldar nature which finds gratification in murder and pleasure in bloody violence. Khorne the Blood God, the Patron of War, Murder and Battle, roared with rage to discover one of his own taken from him in this way. Then Khorne and Slaanesh clashed headlong, the Blood God fighting to recover the portion of his power that had been robbed from him


Lynata wrote:
Overlord Zerrtin wrote:Why do so many people think the chaos gods are bad they can act quite nicely to there subjects if you earn there favor the only thing they openly attack is those who oppose them and dont worship/follow them which is in a sense no different then the imperium itself..
Whilst the Chaos Gods themselves may resort solely to attacking those who attack them, the same cannot be said of their subjects. In the pursuit of earning their God's favour and living by whatever twisted dogma the various Gods' servants propagate, they slaughter and sacrifice countless innocent lives every day using methods most vile. Even the Imperium's oppression pales to the atrocities committed by Chaos cults and warbands.

Khorne does not care where the blood comes from as long as it flows, Slaanesh does not care if all participants subjected to an orgy actually gain any pleasure of it as long as some do, etc ...


But not all Chaos cultures are um, unstable. The Nurthene mentioned in Legion were Chaos worshipers yet they seemed to have an established way of life, the same could even be said about the Laer, Davinites or the folks of the fake Terra. The last stand at the Whisperheads clearly shows that they worshiped some of entity, whether or not it was Samus.

Good daemons, on topic finally, I guess are possible, but there doesn't seem to be a God of Good, even if there were a God of Order it would take it to the extreme and extremities are usually not good things. Like has been mentioned, the Living Saints are the closest thing I would guess, but that's more along the lines of being imbued with power than an actual possession I think, nor is it an actual Daemon. More along the lines of Sorcery



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English Assassin wrote:[sarcasm]Yes, because a benevolent chaos god and his race of friendly, magic crystal-wielding, universe-saving cat people perfectly fit Warhammer 40,000, a setting in which mankind's only hope is an unimaginable brutal and totalitarian society ruled over by a rotting psychic cadaver kept clinging to an agonising life by the sacrifice of thousands every day.[/sarcasm]

'Theme' and 'atmosphere' are not just empty words.

And I have edited the fluff a lot since you last read it. Trust me. Not universe saving at all.

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To get slightly back on topic...

While we've posited that a "good daemon" is a possibility, even if not well-documented in the fluff, daemons that are already existing do not change with additional emotions invested in them. A Lord of Change is always going to be a Lord of Change, and is an aspect of Tzeentch's ever-plotting, ever-twisting mind of schemes, plans, double-crosses, triple-crosses, contradictory plots and accumulation of knowledge. It was created for this purpose, and will forever exist for this purpose. This is what it does, and is, and no amount of worship by humans (or anyone else for that matter) is going to change that.

What it would do, if it were being worshiped by sentients, is to force upon these people the desire for change, revolution and societal upheaval, whether that is through rebellion, revolution, changes in culture and social mores, or all of these things as often as possible at the same time forever. As soon as the society changes to whatever it told them it wanted them to change it to, it would tell them to change it to something else... because that is what Tzeentch does.

Why do so many people think the chaos gods are bad they can act quite nicely to there subjects if you earn there favor the only thing they openly attack is those who oppose them and dont worship/follow them which is in a sense no different then the imperium itself..


Because they are, and they don't. What is "nice" to their followers is a matter of perspective. Sure, they might grant you a Gift that allows you to see in the dark, or strike fear into the hearts of lesser mortals with a word... but they might also just make you grotesquely fat, or make your head shrink so much that it crushes your brain and leaves you a gibbering idiot, or turn your legs into a giant slug-body, or give you the head of a frog. The gifts of Chaos are granted and given without regard to how you might feel about them.

Further, once your pact with them is struck, they often arrange it so that you must make greater and greater sacrifices to them. Maybe the first time it was just a simple murder of someone you didn't particularly like, because they were a big jerk. The second time it was the murder of someone you didn't personally know, but you heard was a big jerk. Now the Arbites are after you, and you need some divine intervention to get you away safely... so now they demand the lives of your family. Next, well, you ran afoul of the Inquisition, but your Patron Power can get you out of it... if you ritually torture and murder everyone in that orphanage over there. Next they'll want you to torch an old folks home. Or raze a village and leave none alive, all to be ritualistically violated, tortured, and then killed. Now it's causing the death of entire worlds....

The Gods of Chaos are madness and unhealthy obsessions taken to extremes beyond mortal comprehension. Simply invoking their names, or the true names of their daemonic servants is often enough to cause Warp Corruption, which erodes the purity of the human soul, and chips away at the very humanity of an individual.

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I think basically the Eldar Gods were "good daemons" (though warp being would be more acccurate) or at least gods of order. But they all got killed. Basically there was a war in the warp and evil won. The Emperor is the last hold out of good warp-beings.

 
   
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Nitros14 wrote:
DemetriDominov wrote:
Nitros14 wrote:Daemons represent emotion taken to its furthest extremes.

Do you know of any extreme emotion that is actually good?


Yeah. Compassion and Love, which are largely in the 40k universe, just never talked about or seen as they have become so surreal in the contrast of Grimdark. Case in point: You cannot truly despair without first losing something you feel strongly about, example: True love, freedom, life (yours or anothers), hope.

Lastly, the "Good" demons would be Living Saints empowered by the Emperor, or at least that's what people have been talking about when they talk about this subject.


Compassion and love taken to their furthest extremes are smothering and obsessive. Not what I'd call good.

There already is a Chaos God of Hope. Tzeentch's raw primal emotion is hope. Hope leads to ambition, ambition leads to change.



I disagree on love and compassion

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Greater love have no man then this, to lay down his life for his friends.

That's the extremes of love and compassion, the willingness to sacrifice yourself for them. Smothering, jealousy and possessiveness are the negative extremes of love and compassion.

For another, non military example:


This woman lived her entire life by love and compassion for the poor and suffering. There's nothing unextreme about it when it comes to doing what she did... but none of it smothering or obsessive

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First dude gave power to Khorne, the God of Bloodlust, Slaughter and Violence. Khorne cares not from whence the blood flows. Blood for the Blood God and so forth.

Mother Teresa may actually have been an atheist. There's rather a lot of controversy surrounding some of her personal writings released after her death.

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KalashnikovMarine wrote:That's the extremes of love and compassion, the willingness to sacrifice yourself for them. Smothering, jealousy and possessiveness are the negative extremes of love and compassion.
I think that's what he was aiming at with "extremes", as extremes are generally regarded to be the negative side of something.

Else I'm sure we could find positive examples for just about any extreme claimed by one of the Chaos Gods.

Regarding Mother Teresa:
She has also been criticized for her view on suffering. She felt that suffering would bring people closer to Jesus. Sanal Edamaruku, President of Rationalist International, criticised the failure to give painkillers, writing that in her Homes for the Dying, one could "hear the screams of people having maggots tweezered from their open wounds without pain relief. On principle, strong painkillers are even in hard cases not given. According to Mother Teresa's philosophy, it is 'the most beautiful gift for a person that he can participate in the sufferings of Christ'."
-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mother_Teresa#Criticism

I'd say that would definitively count as a negative effect of "extreme compassion" - notably coming from a person you named as a positive example.
   
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Fair enough

and we actually already have the positive examples somewhere in the thread. Khorne represents warrior honor just as much as he represents bloodshed and slaughter, etc If anything Teresa's actions prove my second point that I was going to try to make. Nothing's really that black and white. Especially with the chaos gods everything is grey.

Edit: Also and that's what I get for going with the first "Good" example I could think of without doing a background check XD

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That and we can't really argue with the poll.

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Mynameisalie wrote:That and we can't really argue with the poll.


Why not?

The poll is partially based on personal opinion, but in all respects, no Daemon is good or evil, they are a form of neutral as are all the Chaos Gods.

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KalashnikovMarine wrote:Khorne represents warrior honor just as much as he represents bloodshed and slaughter, etc
Hmm, I don't think Khorne cares anything about honour - that would be something his followers could make up, though.

There's definitively something to the black/white thing, though. Which is why I like this setting so much. I have a slight aversion against settings that are clearly black vs white as it takes a good deal of complexity out of the background ... complexity and potential.

Still, from our perspective and moral model, I'm sure the Chaos Gods are Evil - simply because they do not care about their followers, but their worship promotes horrible abuse and slaughter, and over time even moderate cults are corrupted to increasingly promote their Patron God's agenda (which just tends to be somewhat unhealthy for the majority).
The Imperium isn't much better, but since it stands for Order, people's chance to live a relatively normal life is slightly higher ... largely depending on the world you're born on, though.
   
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Chaos is neutral.

All things, both good and evil, empower them.

Example: Smoking a cigarette.

You light the cig and burn the end.... destruction.

You inhale and absorb the chemicals... pleasure.

You watch the cig burn away and turn to ash... change.

You cough and hack and die of lung disease... death.

Smoking is bad for your health and good for the Chaos Gods!

Still, from our perspective and moral model, I'm sure the Chaos Gods are Evil - simply because they do not care about their followers


Nurgle loves his followers.

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Lynata wrote:
KalashnikovMarine wrote:Khorne represents warrior honor just as much as he represents bloodshed and slaughter, etc
Hmm, I don't think Khorne cares anything about honour - that would be something his followers could make up, though.

There's definitively something to the black/white thing, though. Which is why I like this setting so much. I have a slight aversion against settings that are clearly black vs white as it takes a good deal of complexity out of the background ... complexity and potential.

Still, from our perspective and moral model, I'm sure the Chaos Gods are Evil - simply because they do not care about their followers, but their worship promotes horrible abuse and slaughter, and over time even moderate cults are corrupted to increasingly promote their Patron God's agenda (which just tends to be somewhat unhealthy for the majority).
The Imperium isn't much better, but since it stands for Order, people's chance to live a relatively normal life is slightly higher ... largely depending on the world you're born on, though.


I agree. The battle between Chaos and The Imperium isn't a battle between good and evil but chaos (obviously) and order. It just so happens Chaos is totally evil though...

 
   
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DeffDred wrote:Chaos is neutral. All things, both good and evil, empower them.
And extremes empower them more, which is why they will always want more, and will make you want more as well. Your cigarette example works pretty okay to exemplify this, actually, for smoking remains unhealthy regardless of whether you enjoy it or not, and it is addictive.

DeffDred wrote:Nurgle loves his followers.
Nurgle loves spreading plagues. His followers are a means to an end.
I would agree that this makes him the least self-destructive Chaos God, though, compared to Khorne ("I SAID MORE SACRIFICES!"), Tzeentch ("just trolling lol") or Slaanesh ("So ... you said you can make drugs from human bodies?").
   
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I've always been fond of this dynamic: The imperium, and humanity seek to impose order on an inherently chaotic system (life, the universe, etc...) and by doing so clearly define the boundaries of what is order, and what is chaos.

In this case, creating the structure of sentient society and what should be done, reason defined what shouldn't be done.

The realms of chaos can only exist in contrast to individuals struggling against it.

I suppose "chaos" would have existed before that though, just naming it concentrated it.

I'm gonna go babble somewhere else now.

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Nurgle's followers are the diseases he created. Their damned hosts? Pfft, couldn't give a toss about 'em, really.

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Well is oxymoron possible :-)?

ADB: I showed the Wolves revealing the key weakness at the heart of the World Eaters; showing Angron that his Legion was broken and worthless compared to the others; that he was the one primarch who couldn't trust his own warriors, and that they didn't care if he lived or died; showing that loyalty to brothers and sons is the heart of success for the Legiones Astartes, to the point even Lorgar makes a big deal out of saying the World Eaters and their primarch were massively outclassed by Russ, and Angron was too stupid to see the lesson Russ had sacrificed time, sweat, and blood, to teach. We're talking about a battle the Wolves won, by isolating the enemy general through pack tactics, and threatening to kill him, without a hope of defending himself. It was a balance, 50/50 - Angron overpowered Russ, and the Wolves were losing ground to the World Eaters; but Russ and his warriors had Angron by the balls, and barely broke a sweat. They won, no question. Lorgar even says: "The Wolves won, meathead."

Dorn won’t help you either. He’s too busy being the Emperor’s groundskeeper, hiding behind the palace walls. The Wolf is too busy cutting off heads as our father’s executioner, while the Lion holds on to his secrets, and has no special fondness for you. Who else will come? Not Ferrus, certainly. Nor Corax either. Even as we speak, I suspect he flees for Deliverance. Sanguinius?’ Curze laughed cruelly. ‘The angel is more cursed than I. The Khan? He does not wish to be found. So who is left? No one, Vulkan. None of them will come. You are simply not that important. You are alone.’ Konrad Curze to Vulkan


 
   
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Um, how about I just point to one? Isha (compassion and healing) would qualify, though she is a prisoner of Nurgle.


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And yet she still attempts to warm mortals of the diseases Nurgle creates.

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Mynameisalie wrote:And yet she still attempts to warm mortals of the diseases Nurgle creates.


I suspect he knows, and just indulges her. And she probably only warns Eldar...anyone else wonder why Eldar never get sick?

I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.

'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' 
   
 
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