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Hamburg Germany

I thought of the straight piece to be hinged.
   
Made in gb
Mastering Non-Metallic Metal







Yeah, I see that, thanks.
So that's like a normal car doors (option 1) as opposed to a bit Mercedes SLR doors (option 2 on that curve) and the only other option is hinged at the bottom (option 3).
Can't do suicide doors really (not enough straight edges), and can't do hinged up (as a Mercedes SLS) because of the bits above the door and have to think about what would be best for the engineer that would be opening said doors.
and I don't want to think about trying to make a hinge out of plastic to do Lamborghini scissor doors...ouch! my brain hurts.


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Hinges, hinges, decisions, decisions...

At the top of the image, we have the other option for a hinge structure, using cylinders like you will see on most doors.
However, this option has many problems.
Such as; many pieces and therefore more complicated to assemble
and being made from nothing that is polystyrene, therefore it would have to be glued with superglue which would make it brittle (which I don't think would be good for a hinge).

The other hinge, however, I'm quite happy with as it has none of the issues that the above hinge does.
It also looks relatively streamlined.
The problem now is a) where to put it and b) which way round?


Front or bottom?
Two attachment points on the door or on the hull?
Let me know your thoughts. I'm mostly sure what I'm going to do but you may persuade me otherwise.
I have to make a second set of pieces first, so there is plenty of time.

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The army- ~2295 points (built).

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Bottom looks like it makes more sense to me, I just can't get my head around the side hinge. Either way, that's some awesome work, I'm loving this army!

   
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 prototype_X wrote:
Bottom looks like it makes more sense to me, I just can't get my head around the side hinge. Either way, that's some awesome work, I'm loving this army!

Thanks Prototype, glad to have you on board.
I will check the position and swing with blu-tack before gluing in place permanently.


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As I said, Blu-tack check.

Forward..................................or ..................................... Down?

The pros/cons I can see:
Forward:
Door is very much out of the way of the engineer for access.
I think the hinge would be more tricky to attach to both the door and hull
Open door would prevent engineer from falling into engine intake
There's the possibility that if the engine is running, it might suck the door in
With both doors open it looks... engineer-y but not all that cool

Down:
Door may be considered in the way of the engineer
But may actually serve as a platform to sit or stand on
Hinge looks like it would be easy to attach
Engine intake open and easy to access for inspection and engineer dicing
The lower part of the door may catch on the hull below the engine meaning that that is as far as the door may open.
(however I could just remove 1mm from the door to solve the issue if it becomes an issue)
With both doors open it does look kinda cool.

I'm definitely leaning towards the bottom hinge / doors open down option.
Any opinions out there?

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The army- ~2295 points (built).

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Dsteingass - Dr. H..You are a role model for Internet Morality! // inmygravenimage - Dr H is a model to us all
Theophony - Sprue for the spruemeister, plastic for his plastic throne! // Shasolenzabi - Toilets, more complex than folks take time to think about!  
   
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Down.

*edit*

Or up. But not side.

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cornwall UK

Bottom is better.


   
Made in de
Painting Within the Lines




Hamburg Germany

Yep, bottom. Although, now I see your hinges, I have the feeling you might be able to mount them at the top, if you install the frame-sided hinge from beneath the hull? Anyway, as good I thought it might be, side looks functional, but uncool.
   
Made in gb
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Thanks people. After unanimous decision *drum-roll* the doors are to hinge *excessive pause* DOWN.

I will paint the inside of the doors to match the walls of the engine bays and there will be additional details/labels/signs added eventually.

So, doors done, I can move on to the next bit. Which is... either the rear "wing" or the turret... As these need to be done before I stick the top to the bottom.
I've made a start with the wing, well I've chopped up the bit you normally stick on there and "thought" about what I can do to turn it into a wing/spoiler.
The turret however, I have no ideas about yet, so need to start thinking about that really...


The army- ~2295 points (built).

* -=]_,=-eague Spruemeister General. * A (sprue) Hut tutorial *
Dsteingass - Dr. H..You are a role model for Internet Morality! // inmygravenimage - Dr H is a model to us all
Theophony - Sprue for the spruemeister, plastic for his plastic throne! // Shasolenzabi - Toilets, more complex than folks take time to think about!  
   
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Well well well, what on earth (terra, emperor...) might this be?



Much left to do, but I thought you may enjoy a teaser.


The army- ~2295 points (built).

* -=]_,=-eague Spruemeister General. * A (sprue) Hut tutorial *
Dsteingass - Dr. H..You are a role model for Internet Morality! // inmygravenimage - Dr H is a model to us all
Theophony - Sprue for the spruemeister, plastic for his plastic throne! // Shasolenzabi - Toilets, more complex than folks take time to think about!  
   
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44.328850 / -73.110190

Well done on the hinge, and I have no idea what the other thing is.

 
   
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 Skalk Bloodaxe wrote:
Well done on the hinge, and I have no idea what the other thing is.


Thanks Skalk. Ho ho, well you'll have to wait then. All will become clear. As I said, much more to be done on it. Edit: In reality I'm still thinking as I build this...

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The army- ~2295 points (built).

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Dsteingass - Dr. H..You are a role model for Internet Morality! // inmygravenimage - Dr H is a model to us all
Theophony - Sprue for the spruemeister, plastic for his plastic throne! // Shasolenzabi - Toilets, more complex than folks take time to think about!  
   
Made in gb
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Here you go. This should give you a better idea of what this is going to be.


Still early days as yet. Putty work is probably only half done so far. Need to add an Eldar flair to this side as well as fill (and create) bits here and there...

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The army- ~2295 points (built).

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Theophony - Sprue for the spruemeister, plastic for his plastic throne! // Shasolenzabi - Toilets, more complex than folks take time to think about!  
   
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A trans- dimensional vortex destabilizer?

 
   
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 Skalk Bloodaxe wrote:
A trans- dimensional vortex destabilizer?

Lol. A what? I'll have to set The Scientist on that one. Something for the future. *goes to make a note of it*


The army- ~2295 points (built).

* -=]_,=-eague Spruemeister General. * A (sprue) Hut tutorial *
Dsteingass - Dr. H..You are a role model for Internet Morality! // inmygravenimage - Dr H is a model to us all
Theophony - Sprue for the spruemeister, plastic for his plastic throne! // Shasolenzabi - Toilets, more complex than folks take time to think about!  
   
Made in gb
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For those of you still with no clue as what it is I am building...
and for those that can see and have remained smugly quiet...
and for those of you that are just quietly curious...

...I can show you what it is, where it goes and (roughly) what's it's going to look like.

Still a bit of cleanup to do and I need to build the attachment for the missile.
Once that's done I'll show you all the angles.

As always let me know what you think.

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Looking cool! I really like the continued theme of differnt technologies linked together to make something so unique. And I figured it was a turret earlier, I was just messing around.

For what my opinion is worth, consider a small counter-balance on the turret opposite the missile since the arm extends so far out.

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Thanks Skalk. I'm glad you like it. I was a little worried that I was probably pushing the turret remodelling too far and it would end up looking a bit

That is a good point (and your opinion is gratefully received) and as it turns out the balance of the model turret is only about 5mm off the pivot towards the missile as there is a lot of putty around the gun side and the missile side is only plastic. And in reality (that's 40k reality, not irl reality) the guns would weigh a lot more than the made-to-be-light-and-aerodynamic missile arm.
So it is pretty well balanced and I'm not sure where or how I would make it look any more balanced and well, have a look below and see if it still looks off-balance to you from all directions and let me know.

So now as it's time to unveil the turret, it is time for me to explain my reasonings behind the changes I made:
I put the turret together as it comes in the box and as soon as I looked at it I thought that it was not very aerodynamic and if something like that was stuck on a vehicle that (according to the internet) could reach 800kph it would likely get ripped off. So my main driving force was to make it more aerodynamic, hence a lower front and lots of streamlined shapes.

I also wanted to guns to look more like modern day ship turret guns, where the barrels stick out of slots. This would also work towards the aerodynamic look. I didn't want to lower the gun's hight so used the same pivot point to attach the guns to, put them side by side and found that I couldn't really build much over the top of the guns due to where they pivoted so just added the fin between them, leaving the top open.

The missile arm came about from wanting to stick some kind of HK missile on it (as you can on rhino-alikes) but didn't just want to use the one that came with the Predator I have as it was a little small... So I had a look through my bits, sorted out the various missiles I have, selected the largest and decided that it looks more like a one-shot, infinite-range, kill-most-things kind of missile. While I was rummaging in my bits I found the arm pieces that I believe is from a helicopter of some kind. A little modification and I was planning on adding it to the hull just behind the turret, but it would have prevented the turret from moving all the way round so decided to add it to the turret.

I've added some small electromagnet couplers to hold the missile so that it can be released, drop away from the arm and then the engine can ignite. The arm helpfully holds the missile high enough and far enough away from the hull for this to happen.

The second gun came about from not wanting to just use the Eldar weapons and I decided on cutting the barrel from one of the Las Cannons sponsons of the Predator and then building a gun from various bits.

Then it was a matter of adding a few wires and cables and job done.


Don't worry too much about the apparent poor coverage of the undercoat, it was just quickly splashed on to give a mostly even colour.

Hope you like.
On to the next job...


The army- ~2295 points (built).

* -=]_,=-eague Spruemeister General. * A (sprue) Hut tutorial *
Dsteingass - Dr. H..You are a role model for Internet Morality! // inmygravenimage - Dr H is a model to us all
Theophony - Sprue for the spruemeister, plastic for his plastic throne! // Shasolenzabi - Toilets, more complex than folks take time to think about!  
   
Made in gb
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Just so you know that I am still alive and progress has been made.
But it's nothing really picture worthy.
I have declared the inside DONE:
Engines...DONE
Pilot...DONE
Cabin...DONE
All visible bits/walls/edges etc...PAINTED

Oh yeah, and I didn't like the look of the turret's peg thing sticking through the roof of the cabin and added a bit of clear blue plastic to it, to turn it into a light so they are ready if they need a blue-alert (but will have to change the light bulb for a red-alert).

I've even balanced the model with a few screws and blu-tack towards the front as it did lean back quite a bit on the stand and I haven't even finished the spoiler/wing.

On that note, I have started the rear wing but the body needs to be glued together before I can do the putty work.

And on that note, the body is currently being glued with the help of an elastic band, some pegs and a bottle of PVA (as a weight). Hopefully enough of the two halves are in contact to hold it together and then I can fill and glue more securely the rest of it and then do the wing.

I have also had some inspiration for more fluff for the future so some time has been taken doing that.

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The army- ~2295 points (built).

* -=]_,=-eague Spruemeister General. * A (sprue) Hut tutorial *
Dsteingass - Dr. H..You are a role model for Internet Morality! // inmygravenimage - Dr H is a model to us all
Theophony - Sprue for the spruemeister, plastic for his plastic throne! // Shasolenzabi - Toilets, more complex than folks take time to think about!  
   
Made in gb
Mastering Non-Metallic Metal







OK people, UPDATE with Pictures...

The hull is sealed there's no going back now. I can, however, now start work on the exterior bits and pieces.

Other than filling a few gaps here and there I have now added...

An external, disposable fuel tank (that'll be explained in a bit of fluff soon to be added) and air-brakes (because I found these bits and felt they needed using).

And the rear spoiler is in place.


It's carved from a single piece of sprue and will be smoothed at the joins by putty when I do the gaps under it as well.
Don't worry about the bit of copper wire sticking out the back that is for an idea I had for showing what unit is embarked upon the transport vehicles in my army. Something to do with flags that are attached to the squad leaders that can also (or a second flag) be attached to the vehicle.

Next job is to make the nose actually pointed as I think it looks silly blunt like it is.
Possible incoming fluff in a bit...


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The (Mad) Scientist's Design Notes for WS0001:
Spoiler:

Design notes: The hover-transport (know as a "Wave-serpent") I acquired from a recent battlefield was heavily damaged, especially the engines, turret and those sticky-out-bits, it appears to have taken a direct hit to one of the engines while at high speed.
My engineers have repaired the bodywork and added tweaks where directed.
I have also allowed the troops to decorate the interior to their tastes, Which has led to some interesting results (detailed in report Soci3045), where the mixed species have added their own specific touches while being oblivious to that added by others. My devices allow them to see what they would expect to see and not, for example, that someone else has hung a head of one of their kind on the bulkhead. Fascinating.

While I had the chance, I decided to add a pair of engines that I have developed. They required a little modification to fit in the vehicle, but work well alongside some of the original parts. Each engine works essentially like two different engines plumbed together and operate over a wide range of velocities and conditions.
The first is what you may call a turbofan-type engine, this has a large fan at the front that sucks in low-pressure, sub-sonic air and then compresses it, adds fuel and ignites the mixture. The burning fuel causes the gasses to expand and this expansion is used to drive the vehicle forwards and...AND it drives the fan at the front that sucks in more air and the cycle continues.
The second half of the engine works as what I have termed a "Ram-Jet". Supersonic air entering the vent above the fan will be compressed and slowed by the genius (if I say so myself) vent system without any mechanical parts. The air is then mixed with fuel which, upon burning, heats the air and produces thrust far in excess of that produced by the "turbo-fan" half.

The whole package therefore works at low speed with the fan compressing the air and as the air-speed increases above a certain level the vent system takes over the majority of the compressing and allows higher velocities to be reached, the angle of the fan also allows it to continue to work at these increased speeds and so the whole engine works together to produce far more thrust than is possible in such a small package.
I have also added a small booster to each engine that mixes a small amount of a special oxidizing mixture I concocted with some air and feeds it into the engine intake allowing short bursts of very high acceleration. This mixture is stored in an external tank as this helps keep it cooler and allows it to be jettisoned in emergencies, oh well that sounds almost sensible... I may have to look into this turn of events...

There was no need to have a pilot for this craft that had useless legs and arms etc... The only necessary part was the brain. Keeping it in the head and using the eyes (well eye, he was severely injured and required a little reconstruction) was just easier than wiring a brain in a jar. A few tweaks to his pleasure centres and he is quite happy to be a part (in a very real sense) of the machine. Good for him, he's a very enthusiastic pilot now.

Externally, there wasn't much to do other than replace the turret and the energy-field projectors and a few aerodynamic tweaks and then I let my chief designer slap on some paint... he does get a little carried away sometimes... (real life note: I haven't even got a plan for the paint job yet, or the energy field spines...)


Ideas, comments, ideas and thoughts welcome.

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The army- ~2295 points (built).

* -=]_,=-eague Spruemeister General. * A (sprue) Hut tutorial *
Dsteingass - Dr. H..You are a role model for Internet Morality! // inmygravenimage - Dr H is a model to us all
Theophony - Sprue for the spruemeister, plastic for his plastic throne! // Shasolenzabi - Toilets, more complex than folks take time to think about!  
   
Made in gb
Mastering Non-Metallic Metal







Putty Update.
The wave serpent has had it's nose-job as well as a few other bits.

Started with a few scraps of plastic to bulk up the nose area


Then covered that with putty and smoothed it out following the natural curves of the hull.



and this last shot shows where I also filled and smoothed the underside of the front of the "wings", just to make them look more like one piece.

C&C welcome as always


The army- ~2295 points (built).

* -=]_,=-eague Spruemeister General. * A (sprue) Hut tutorial *
Dsteingass - Dr. H..You are a role model for Internet Morality! // inmygravenimage - Dr H is a model to us all
Theophony - Sprue for the spruemeister, plastic for his plastic throne! // Shasolenzabi - Toilets, more complex than folks take time to think about!  
   
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Hey dr h, that pilot is awesome. Can't wait to see a finished tank with all that detail!


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 bebopdrums2424 wrote:
Hey dr h, that pilot is awesome. Can't wait to see a finished tank with all that detail!


Thanks bebop and welcome aboard. Yep, a few more little details yet to add and, of course, the energy spines that I still don't know what to do about and then I'll probably be onto the painting (soooo going to have to raise my game on the paint job just to match the attention to detail I've put into the modelling).


The army- ~2295 points (built).

* -=]_,=-eague Spruemeister General. * A (sprue) Hut tutorial *
Dsteingass - Dr. H..You are a role model for Internet Morality! // inmygravenimage - Dr H is a model to us all
Theophony - Sprue for the spruemeister, plastic for his plastic throne! // Shasolenzabi - Toilets, more complex than folks take time to think about!  
   
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I've been lurking but I'm still here, watching from the shadows. Really nice work so far! Keep it up.

   
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 Casey's Law wrote:
I've been lurking but I'm still here, watching from the shadows. Really nice work so far! Keep it up.


Thanks C's Law. Good to know you're still within my sphere of influence... I lurk on your threads more than I should So it's all fair.


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Well I was just going to sign off and think about going to bed when what do I find...
That Entropy and the Second law of thermodynamics is linked to intelligence:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-22261742
...and I've gone and based my army on a (Mad) Scientist, the most intelligent being in the galaxy, who leads The Army of The Second Law and only believes in a(n imaginary) god of Entropy. Genius.

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The army- ~2295 points (built).

* -=]_,=-eague Spruemeister General. * A (sprue) Hut tutorial *
Dsteingass - Dr. H..You are a role model for Internet Morality! // inmygravenimage - Dr H is a model to us all
Theophony - Sprue for the spruemeister, plastic for his plastic throne! // Shasolenzabi - Toilets, more complex than folks take time to think about!  
   
Made in gb
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It's concept time!
I'm really stuck as to what to do about these energy field spine things replacement...
I have some concept ideas that I would like to see what people think and if anyone has any better/different ideas.

Concept 1: Your typical Mad Scientist Tesla generator looking things.

Pros:
Very Mad Scientist
Probably not all that difficult to do
Will likely look cool
Aerodynamic-ish
Popular with Orks (KFF) and Steampunk/Cyberpunk types
Cons:
Ambitious painting may be tricky
Popular and therefore not all that unique

Concept 2: Many small domes.

Pros:
Also likely to be easy to do
Could look cool if done well
Aerodynamic
More Cyberpunk than Steampunk
Cons:
May detract from the hull paint-job
More Cyberpunk than Steampunk
Are they too big or not big enough

Concept 3: Shielding Plates.

Pros:
Could look very cool
Would certainly be unique
Probably fits 40k best
Possibly Aerodynamic
Cons:
Could be very tricky to do
Could be even more tricky to look good
May well look in the end
May also detract and probably completely cover the hull paint-job

So, let me know what you think and if you have any further ideas please.


The army- ~2295 points (built).

* -=]_,=-eague Spruemeister General. * A (sprue) Hut tutorial *
Dsteingass - Dr. H..You are a role model for Internet Morality! // inmygravenimage - Dr H is a model to us all
Theophony - Sprue for the spruemeister, plastic for his plastic throne! // Shasolenzabi - Toilets, more complex than folks take time to think about!  
   
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I have to say "no" up front to the shields. Way too much for for ambiguous results and possibly a lot of wasted time and material.

 
   
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 Skalk Bloodaxe wrote:
I have to say "no" up front to the shields. Way too much for for ambiguous results and possibly a lot of wasted time and material.

Cool. Thanks Skalk. It was a very "out there" idea, and lacking any others I thought I'd throw it out here and see what people thought.


The army- ~2295 points (built).

* -=]_,=-eague Spruemeister General. * A (sprue) Hut tutorial *
Dsteingass - Dr. H..You are a role model for Internet Morality! // inmygravenimage - Dr H is a model to us all
Theophony - Sprue for the spruemeister, plastic for his plastic throne! // Shasolenzabi - Toilets, more complex than folks take time to think about!  
   
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44.328850 / -73.110190

Small domes connected as a circuit would be cool. From what you have offered as ideas I feel that will be the best one. Easier to do, and I feel it would be aesthetically cohesive with the other work you have done so far.

 
   
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 Skalk Bloodaxe wrote:
Small domes connected as a circuit would be cool. From what you have offered as ideas I feel that will be the best one. Easier to do, and I feel it would be aesthetically cohesive with the other work you have done so far.


Cool, Thanks again. K one vote for small domes.

I'm still open to any other ideas that anyone may have...


The army- ~2295 points (built).

* -=]_,=-eague Spruemeister General. * A (sprue) Hut tutorial *
Dsteingass - Dr. H..You are a role model for Internet Morality! // inmygravenimage - Dr H is a model to us all
Theophony - Sprue for the spruemeister, plastic for his plastic throne! // Shasolenzabi - Toilets, more complex than folks take time to think about!  
   
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Sydney

Dr H - the pimping on the Wave Serpent is excellent... and that pilot is cool!

Loving the madness!

   
 
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