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2015/02/19 20:19:15
Subject: Re:Saudi cleric says Earth doesn’t revolve around sun
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Brigadier General
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Quoted text from deleted post removed - RiTides
Response to quoted text removed.-Eilif
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2015/02/19 20:24:32
Subject: Saudi cleric says Earth doesn’t revolve around sun
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I've removed a racist post - let's not stereotype, please!
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2015/02/19 20:24:49
Subject: Re:Saudi cleric says Earth doesn’t revolve around sun
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Here's a hint: if you're referring to the women of the Middle East as "their" women, you should probably think a bit about what that statement implies and why that is bad.
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2015/02/19 20:57:04
Subject: Saudi cleric says Earth doesn’t revolve around sun
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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david choe wrote:
LOL. . . ..
I said Chinese as in a scientist from China. I mean... the west didn't consider the round theory in 1492 year... right? It was just Columbus. So yes, some Chinese scientist discover the round earth theory before 1492. Look it up yourself, too lazy.
Just as in the Greek example, they as in some scientist ( I don't have the names) discover in the BCs of the round earth theory.
I'm not getting paid to educate you, so look it up yourself. If you don't believe me, like I care right?
Your language to me is salty too, take a chill pill man. I didn't open up books and take down dates to report to you guys.. this is Dakka, I'm not doing an EXPOSE on the discovery.
However, most people who have some higher education knows the fact what I'm saying is true. My dates might be off, but like I said.. .who the F cares.. that I said Quran was off by 150 years. Again, not doing EXPOSE here.
You seems like the kind of guy who actually think that what you learned in school is correct and think that I am full of air.. so you went to Wikki. Good for you. Now do a bit more of that and find the names of the Chinese and the Greek who discover the round earth theory before Columbus and report to us.
BTW - another controversial subject of China discover Americas before Columbus by about 100 years is interesting. I'm not sure of this subject... but look up Gavin Menzies and his Map. I read about this over breakfast a few years back.. so I'm not saying it is fact... search it yourself.
What an excellent example of why I avoid OTF. Thanks for the reminder.
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2015/02/19 21:01:13
Subject: Saudi cleric says Earth doesn’t revolve around sun
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Dankhold Troggoth
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David Choe has stated to me that he was being sarcastic in the post I deleted using the phrase "savages".
In general, please remember that tone is very hard to read over the internet and if a comment can be construed as racist, it would be much better just not to post it. Thanks.
If possible let's move the discussion on, please, or if not possible and the thread has reached the end of it's usefulness it will just be locked.
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2015/02/19 21:11:36
Subject: Re:Saudi cleric says Earth doesn’t revolve around sun
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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I know a certain someone who won't get hired to teach astronomy at Yeshiva university...
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2015/02/19 21:21:55
Subject: Saudi cleric says Earth doesn’t revolve around sun
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Bran Dawri wrote:I'm no historian, but isn't it possible that some of those discoveries made first by the Chines were in also made by Europeans independently at some later point in time?
Not talking about the obvious Greek/Babylonian/Egyptian civilizations' discoveries here, but the later ones like the printing press and things.)
Yes. You see this all the time. Pretty much every ancient culture discovered Pythagorean triples independently, for example.
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2015/02/19 21:32:46
Subject: Saudi cleric says Earth doesn’t revolve around sun
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 RiTides wrote:David Choe has stated to me that he was being sarcastic in the post I deleted using the phrase "savages".
I hope he's been being sarcastic in the rest of this all too, it sounds like he's spouting inflammatory rhetoric for the sake of being inflammatory.
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2015/02/19 21:54:28
Subject: Saudi cleric says Earth doesn’t revolve around sun
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Tzeentch Aspiring Sorcerer Riding a Disc
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 AnomanderRake wrote: RiTides wrote:David Choe has stated to me that he was being sarcastic in the post I deleted using the phrase "savages".
I hope he's been being sarcastic in the rest of this all too, it sounds like he's spouting inflammatory rhetoric for the sake of being inflammatory.
Sounds to me like his hearts in the right place. But English not being his native language.
He's opening mouth inserting foot. 
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Its hard to be awesome, when your playing with little plastic men.
Welcome to Fantasy 40k
If you think your important, in the great scheme of things. Do the water test.
Put your hands in a bucket of warm water,
then pull them out fast. The size of the hole shows how important you are.
I think we should roll some dice, to see if we should roll some dice, To decide if all this dice rolling is good for the game.
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2015/02/19 22:29:42
Subject: Saudi cleric says Earth doesn’t revolve around sun
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Sounds to me like he is an essentialist, actually. His whole post about how Arabs (or Middle Eastern people, he is not clear on that) are different people and therefore human rights are maybe not what they need was very cringeworthy.
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"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
https://twitter.com/WarComTeam/status/1268665798467432449/photo/1 |
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2015/02/19 22:35:05
Subject: Saudi cleric says Earth doesn’t revolve around sun
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Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
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 loki old fart wrote: AnomanderRake wrote: RiTides wrote:David Choe has stated to me that he was being sarcastic in the post I deleted using the phrase "savages".
I hope he's been being sarcastic in the rest of this all too, it sounds like he's spouting inflammatory rhetoric for the sake of being inflammatory.
Sounds to me like his hearts in the right place. But English not being his native language.
He's opening mouth inserting foot.
I don't know, I make a remark to the effect that this isn't really an issue worth getting pissed about and fill out a vague historical reference he made and he jumps down my throat for being blind and falling for propaganda that's pushing my ethnocentric philosophy? Insulting people out of left field for things that have absolutely nothing to do with their comments isn't something I normally ascribe to foot-in-mouth disease.
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2015/02/19 23:15:14
Subject: Re:Saudi cleric says Earth doesn’t revolve around sun
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Tzeentch Aspiring Sorcerer Riding a Disc
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I might be being a bit generous, but he's a new poster from Thailand. and may have gotten his wires crossed so to speak.
For all we know, he could be using google translate. 
We will soon find out as he settles in.
Edited for lousy typing
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Its hard to be awesome, when your playing with little plastic men.
Welcome to Fantasy 40k
If you think your important, in the great scheme of things. Do the water test.
Put your hands in a bucket of warm water,
then pull them out fast. The size of the hole shows how important you are.
I think we should roll some dice, to see if we should roll some dice, To decide if all this dice rolling is good for the game.
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2015/02/19 23:30:11
Subject: Saudi cleric says Earth doesn’t revolve around sun
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Douglas Bader
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david choe wrote:I mean... the west didn't consider the round theory in 1492 year... right? It was just Columbus. So yes, some Chinese scientist discover the round earth theory before 1492.
Bit of advice: if you're going to complain about other people not doing their research you should probably do a bit of research yourself. The idea that Columbus discovered that the earth was round is a myth based on a work of fiction and retold by teachers who don't know any better, it has nothing to do with reality. Every educated person in 1492 knew that the earth was round, it was Columbus who was an uninformed idiot. The objection to his proposed trip wasn't that he'd fall off the edge of the earth, it was that the westward trip to Asia was beyond the endurance of the ships of the time. And you know what? His opponents were absolutely correct, and Columbus probably would have died along with everyone else on his ships if he hadn't reached a previously-unknown continent by sheer blind luck.
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2015/02/19 23:30:25
Subject: Saudi cleric says Earth doesn’t revolve around sun
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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I don't see the issue, this guy is clearly an idiot, and if he is allowed to teach others, then the people allowing it are idiots, im all for idiots holding themselves back technologically and culturally, it means they will never be in a position to threaten (in any meaningful way) any of the great nations of the world.
As to the Savages comment, yes the people in the middle east (and rest of the world) who rape, burn people alive, spout religious nonsense etc. ARE savages, and should not be treated with the same respect and civility that we treat each other, hate me and my comment all you like people, it doesn't change that black, white, Asian etc. if you are a sub human douche bag who condones or does this stuff, you need to be gotten rid of.
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2015/02/19 23:33:41
Subject: Saudi cleric says Earth doesn’t revolve around sun
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Douglas Bader
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 Formosa wrote:I don't see the issue, this guy is clearly an idiot, and if he is allowed to teach others, then the people allowing it are idiots, im all for idiots holding themselves back technologically and culturally, it means they will never be in a position to threaten (in any meaningful way) any of the great nations of the world.
And I suppose you don't have any sympathy for the innocent victims of the leaders holding their countries back, as long as it keeps those countries from being a threat to yours?
As to the Savages comment, yes the people in the middle east (and rest of the world) who rape, burn people alive, spout religious nonsense etc. ARE savages, and should not be treated with the same respect and civility that we treat each other, hate me and my comment all you like people, it doesn't change that black, white, Asian etc. if you are a sub human douche bag who condones or does this stuff, you need to be gotten rid of.
Do you understand the difference between criticizing the actions of people who do commit horrible crimes and declaring an entire region of the world to be "savages"? One is legitimate outrage, the other is blatant racism.
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There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices. |
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2015/02/20 00:34:13
Subject: Saudi cleric says Earth doesn’t revolve around sun
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Tzeentch Aspiring Sorcerer Riding a Disc
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Formosa wrote:I don't see the issue, this guy is clearly an idiot, and if he is allowed to teach others, then the people allowing it are idiots, im all for idiots holding themselves back technologically and culturally, it means they will never be in a position to threaten (in any meaningful way) any of the great nations of the world.
As to the Savages comment, yes the people in the middle east (and rest of the world) who rape, burn people alive, spout religious nonsense etc. ARE savages, and should not be treated with the same respect and civility that we treat each other, hate me and my comment all you like people, it doesn't change that black, white, Asian etc. if you are a sub human douche bag who condones or does this stuff, you need to be gotten rid of.
It's long been speculated that the Saudis have a deal with Pakistan. Should Iran get nukes, The Saudi's will get theirs delivered.
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Its hard to be awesome, when your playing with little plastic men.
Welcome to Fantasy 40k
If you think your important, in the great scheme of things. Do the water test.
Put your hands in a bucket of warm water,
then pull them out fast. The size of the hole shows how important you are.
I think we should roll some dice, to see if we should roll some dice, To decide if all this dice rolling is good for the game.
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2015/02/20 04:41:35
Subject: Saudi cleric says Earth doesn’t revolve around sun
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Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
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... people still think lemmings throw themselves off cliffs in mass suicides based on a crappy video that Disney filmed once. It's not difficult to see how ideas get planted in people's heads, and then, because they feel that the source is credible, will just repeat it, spreading it far and wide, until it is believed to be factual... when (in this case of lemming suicide) it's entirely fabricated.
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It is best to be a pessimist. You are usually right and, when you're wrong, you're pleasantly surprised. |
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2015/02/20 04:58:11
Subject: Saudi cleric says Earth doesn’t revolve around sun
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Secret Force Behind the Rise of the Tau
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I've heard a lot of myths that just aren't true (some don't even hold up to common sense). There are a lot of them. Many fade as time goes on. Like the gladiator one near the top of that Wiki article I think has kind of become more commonly known as false, but others like the Flat Earth myth and that people before modern times died at 30 myth continue to persist in the popular mind.
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2015/02/20 05:01:28
Subject: Saudi cleric says Earth doesn’t revolve around sun
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 Psienesis wrote:... people still think lemmings throw themselves off cliffs in mass suicides based on a crappy video that Disney filmed once. It's not difficult to see how ideas get planted in people's heads, and then, because they feel that the source is credible, will just repeat it, spreading it far and wide, until it is believed to be factual... when (in this case of lemming suicide) it's entirely fabricated.
But if we don't cling to the stereotypes, I can't pretentiously point and say "Ten thousand lemmings can't be wrong!"
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2015/02/20 14:01:25
Subject: Saudi cleric says Earth doesn’t revolve around sun
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Contagious Dreadnought of Nurgle
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Formosa wrote:I don't see the issue, this guy is clearly an idiot, and if he is allowed to teach others, then the people allowing it are idiots, im all for idiots holding themselves back technologically and culturally, it means they will never be in a position to threaten (in any meaningful way) any of the great nations of the world.
At least in Saudi he is a religious leader. In the US they let people like that be elected... http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/nelson-jones/2011/08/evolution-presidential-perry
This kind of lack of understanding is hardly unique to the middle east. In fact I would argue it is part of human nature. People often believe what feels "right" to them. Children get hyper from sugar, heavy objects fall faster than light object, goldfish have a 30 second memory, we only use 10% of our brains, gambler's fallacy. All things people "Know" that are wrong, but people people will argue with them all day long. Hell, doctors are massively over prescribing antibiotics because people KNOW that they will cure a cold and demand them. This is far more dangerous than someone who is confused by zeno's paradox. This guy may be wrong, but race or religion are nothing to do with it and he is hardly dangerous. Unlike "anti vaxxers" and people demanding antibiotics.
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 insaniak wrote:Sometimes, Exterminatus is the only option.
And sometimes, it's just a case of too much scotch combined with too many buttons...
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2015/02/20 14:27:54
Subject: Saudi cleric says Earth doesn’t revolve around sun
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Brigadier General
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Except that in Saudi Arabia, the king is required by law to follow Sharia and the Ulema (body of religious leader) plays a direct role in government.
This is not to say that the leadership agrees with this particular cleric, but being a religions leader in Saudi Arabia is inseparable from politics and more serious than "just a religious leader".
For a brief primer in the relationship between religion and politics in Saudi Arabia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_Saudi_Arabia
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2015/02/20 14:48:46
Subject: Saudi cleric says Earth doesn’t revolve around sun
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Contagious Dreadnought of Nurgle
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Yes, thank you, I'm aware of that. The joke was about the fact that some people in the US vote for people with similarly unscientific ideas...
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insaniak wrote:Sometimes, Exterminatus is the only option.
And sometimes, it's just a case of too much scotch combined with too many buttons...
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2015/02/20 15:10:08
Subject: Saudi cleric says Earth doesn’t revolve around sun
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Secret Force Behind the Rise of the Tau
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2015/02/20 15:45:47
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Contagious Dreadnought of Nurgle
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Thats some top self contradiction their.
I wonder if he thinks the sun revolves around the earth?
At least everyone can agree that the earth is at the center of the universe.
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insaniak wrote:Sometimes, Exterminatus is the only option.
And sometimes, it's just a case of too much scotch combined with too many buttons...
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2015/02/20 18:33:06
Subject: Saudi cleric says Earth doesn’t revolve around sun
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Wolf Guard Bodyguard in Terminator Armor
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Not the earth. Me. I am the center of the universe. When I get on a plane, the rest of you (well, everyone not on the plane with me) move under until the universe has moved so that the plane can land where I want to go.
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2015/02/20 19:47:31
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Bran Dawri wrote:until the universe has moved so that the plane can land where I want to go.
Which, if you were a Saudi cleric, might be the 96th floor of an office building.
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2015/02/20 21:30:31
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Ferocious Black Templar Castellan
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 Peregrine wrote:david choe wrote:I mean... the west didn't consider the round theory in 1492 year... right? It was just Columbus. So yes, some Chinese scientist discover the round earth theory before 1492.
Bit of advice: if you're going to complain about other people not doing their research you should probably do a bit of research yourself. The idea that Columbus discovered that the earth was round is a myth based on a work of fiction and retold by teachers who don't know any better, it has nothing to do with reality. Every educated person in 1492 knew that the earth was round, it was Columbus who was an uninformed idiot. The objection to his proposed trip wasn't that he'd fall off the edge of the earth, it was that the westward trip to Asia was beyond the endurance of the ships of the time. And you know what? His opponents were absolutely correct, and Columbus probably would have died along with everyone else on his ships if he hadn't reached a previously-unknown continent by sheer blind luck.
I told him that on page two, so I guess you get to join the "dirty Occidental" club with me. If you fix the drinks, I'll fix the sandwiches!
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2015/02/20 21:42:24
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Secret Force Behind the Rise of the Tau
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Plus it took a few years for Europe to realize "wait this isn't the indies!" Didn't stop them from calling it the West Indies though
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2015/02/20 21:50:34
Subject: Saudi cleric says Earth doesn’t revolve around sun
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Dark Angels Librarian with Book of Secrets
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Bran Dawri wrote:Not the earth. Me. I am the center of the universe. When I get on a plane, the rest of you (well, everyone not on the plane with me) move under until the universe has moved so that the plane can land where I want to go.
Futurama did a joke about this. The thrusters don't move the ship, they move the universe until the plane is where it wants to be
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2015/02/23 10:31:22
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Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
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 LordofHats wrote:Plus it took a few years for Europe to realize "wait this isn't the indies!" Didn't stop them from calling it the West Indies though
The English landed in Australia and were apparently so reminded of home that they called part of it New South Wales. *shrug*
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