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Eumerin wrote:

 trexmeyer wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
Alot of the older races needed an update more then dwarfs, that the orks got one that is Fun and works for them is by no means a small thing aswell.

Also you are stuck to deal with skaven, which are with their hordes a Real pain in the ass.

Wasn't Warhammer just the following?

The Empire (Better than Dwarves in everything other than melee infantry...I think...maybe Greatswords are comparable to Hammerers)
The Greenskins (Worse range by far, but better elsewhere)
Vampire Counts (No range, but they're incredibly strong)
Beastmen (bad)
Warriors of Chaos (not bad so much as the Horde mechanic needs a rework and they're facing an uphill battle by fighting basically everyone)
Wood Elves (getting the next DLC)

Edit: Now, I do dislike fighting the AI Dwarves, but I think that's primarily due to the following: they confederate quickly and constantly, magic resistance is much better for the AI in SP than the player, and they're part of the Ordertide.

Norsca was added to the first game when the second game was released.

Also the Bretonnian free update in between Wood Elves and Norsca

Trolls are worthless unless with Throgg. They could use a Troll/Fimir lord that gives them additional buffs over what Chieftains can do.

Both varieties of Fimir Warriors are good, but not great. Definitely better than trolls.

Skin Wolves win 1v1 against cavalry that isn't anti-large.

Norscan Ice Wolves/Chariots (forced into melee mode) are good anti-ranged/artillery and okay flankers.

Early game I spam so many Javelin Throwers that Bretonnia and it's trash infantry just don't matter. What I was most worried about was Hellfire Rocket Batteries, but the AI is dumb. I found that you can split your force in two halves, spread far apart, and charge from both sides. AI ends up spamming reform to target whoever is closest. Works even better if you have a Fire Sorceror to nuke them while they're fiddling about.

 trexmeyer wrote:
Trolls are worthless unless with Throgg. They could use a Troll/Fimir lord that gives them additional buffs over what Chieftains can do.

Both varieties of Fimir Warriors are good, but not great. Definitely better than trolls.

Skin Wolves win 1v1 against cavalry that isn't anti-large.

Norscan Ice Wolves/Chariots (forced into melee mode) are good anti-ranged/artillery and okay flankers.

Early game I spam so many Javelin Throwers that Bretonnia and it's trash infantry just don't matter. What I was most worried about was Hellfire Rocket Batteries, but the AI is dumb. I found that you can split your force in two halves, spread far apart, and charge from both sides. AI ends up spamming reform to target whoever is closest. Works even better if you have a Fire Sorceror to nuke them while they're fiddling about.

Yep thats another thing. Fire casters take a while to get with norsca.

Over all thought I think the provinces just dont make enough money to be able to field enough high tier armies.
Marauders, trolls and skin wolves against shades, hellstorms and rifles is a bad day..

Its not unwinable but its not a fun match up and always takes lots of damage.. The wolves are very cool unit as a flanker/ranged munchers but way too much upkeep.
I struggled a lot with catching bret armies on the campaign maps.

With a melee army you will always take heavy casulaties and key to victory imo is getting those big wins where you loose a chaff unit and wipe out an enemy high tier stack and then can penetrate into their lands and sack/raze/occupy.

It's doable. I've ran through like 4-5 campaigns as Norsca. The learning curve is steeper than I think every other faction I've played. Confederation is a trick imo. You're best off beating the snot out of other tribes for the first 40-50 turns and leveling up to lords to mammoths before you attempt to go south.

Ran through Talsyn on hard for the first time. Won on turn 109 (it didn't trigger until the next turn :/). I had Mixu's Tabletop Lords mod which gives 3 Spellsinger Lord variants. Not that it mattered because I never leveled any lord other than Orion past 11 and the second highest was a Glade Lord.

The blue line needs to be reworked to bring it in line with other factions. Requires 5 points instead of 4 and LS is way too deep. I think it was the most dorked up blue line I've seen outside of maybe WoC.
I like not being able to fully settle outside of forests, but I would at least bring their settlement options on par with Norsca in that they have outposts with a different set of buildings that can go up to t3/t5 or at least t3 for every major settlement and t5 for faction capitols.

Orion is mediocre IMO as a legendary lord. Could use a mount and either better AoE, fire when shooting, or being more of a tank.

Waystalkers are bonkers. My final Orion army was 2 Spellsingers + Waystalker hero with Talon trait, 4 Wild Riders (for fluff), 3 Sisters of the Thorn for buffs and debuffs, and the rest were Waystalkers. They melt targets faster than anything I've seen in 1000+ hours.

Honestly, after hearing so much about how hard they are I was not impressed. You can raze settlements for 100k+, you get +30 rep with everyone eventually and +70 with certain factions. It was really simple to just ally with the Ordertide and send a couple of armies out to wreck enemy settlements.

Im playing as the awekened currently.

I almost got order tied but the dwarves love me coz I keep fighting cult of pleasure so I amanged to broker a peace with them and trade and am about to get a defensive alliance to try and trick them into going to war with empire lol.

Necrofex collossus + vamp magic and gunnery wight are just soo good.. Its a shame they are just hands over heels better than rotting leviathans or terroghaist.

Will probably revisit Norsca again on my week off before moving onto stunties.

 Argive wrote:
Im playing as the awekened currently.

I almost got order tied but the dwarves love me coz I keep fighting cult of pleasure so I amanged to broker a peace with them and trade and am about to get a defensive alliance to try and trick them into going to war with empire lol.

Necrofex collossus + vamp magic and gunnery wight are just soo good.. Its a shame they are just hands over heels better than rotting leviathans or terroghaist.

Will probably revisit Norsca again on my week off before moving onto stunties.

Rotting Leviathans are pretty good. Necrofex is definitely better in Noctilus's army, but in other ones I think it's more of a tossup. I ran through an Awakened campaign a while back where I only took 2-3 provinces and just dropped Pirate Coves all over. It was more fun than trying to paint the map.

In general Vampire Coast is a really good faction. My only actual complaint about their roster is that their mount options are pointless except as a way to increase the character's mass. They should really be 55-65 speed.

Also, Gunnery Wights are possibly the best ranged hero in game right now. I kept two in my Queen Bess army to refill the ammo. It's my favorite buff ability.

 trexmeyer wrote:

 Argive wrote:
Im playing as the awekened currently.

I almost got order tied but the dwarves love me coz I keep fighting cult of pleasure so I amanged to broker a peace with them and trade and am about to get a defensive alliance to try and trick them into going to war with empire lol.

Necrofex collossus + vamp magic and gunnery wight are just soo good.. Its a shame they are just hands over heels better than rotting leviathans or terroghaist.

Will probably revisit Norsca again on my week off before moving onto stunties.

Rotting Leviathans are pretty good. Necrofex is definitely better in Noctilus's army, but in other ones I think it's more of a tossup. I ran through an Awakened campaign a while back where I only took 2-3 provinces and just dropped Pirate Coves all over. It was more fun than trying to paint the map.

In general Vampire Coast is a really good faction. My only actual complaint about their roster is that their mount options are pointless except as a way to increase the character's mass. They should really be 55-65 speed.

Also, Gunnery Wights are possibly the best ranged hero in game right now. I kept two in my Queen Bess army to refill the ammo. It's my favorite buff ability.

Yeah, Gunnery Wights are required. Thanks to them I've won countless sieges without having to even enter the city. Their ability to improve accuracy, which makes artillery laser-guided effectively, and replenish ammo is crazy useful.

Pop accuracy, fire until buff runs out, wait for recharge, repeat. Not a shot wasted.

I had a big slugfest today vs 3 empire stacks.

Does anyone find empire AI spams luminarks & hellstorms? lol.

I neheked my way out of trouble.

I found a decent balance is to have like 4 leviathans and the rets in necrofexes.

Pop down drowned dead to create a blob/speedbump and when /if they close charge the leviatahns in and wreck face. They are tanky as hek but I think like 4-5 is all youd want. Easy to focus neheks and create a big blob.

The only downside is friendly fire. so gotta keep tabs on what the encros are firing at. I like to sprinkle 2 terroghieists in as well to go on flying general sniping missions/hit HVT in the rear like missle units and artilery..

Wish the depth guard was better than it is.

Depth Guard are good at eating low-tier/mid-tier infantry, but they need to be supported by some kind of meat shield. I would combo them with Zombie Mobs of the Polearm variety.

Honestly, the place they absolutely shined the most for me was in sieges vs Tomb Kings. I'd take out the towers and send them up the walls since they eat TK infantry.

Gonna give TWW2 a crack for the first time in a couple of years. Is it worth getting the Grom DLC for playing an O&G vortex campaign?

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Gonna give TWW2 a crack for the first time in a couple of years. Is it worth getting the Grom DLC for playing an O&G vortex campaign?

If you like goblins, cooking, and nice troll ladies, then yes.



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 Argive wrote:
I had a big slugfest today vs 3 empire stacks.

Does anyone find empire AI spams luminarks & hellstorms? lol.

I neheked my way out of trouble.

I found a decent balance is to have like 4 leviathans and the rets in necrofexes.

Pop down drowned dead to create a blob/speedbump and when /if they close charge the leviatahns in and wreck face. They are tanky as hek but I think like 4-5 is all youd want. Easy to focus neheks and create a big blob.

The only downside is friendly fire. so gotta keep tabs on what the encros are firing at. I like to sprinkle 2 terroghieists in as well to go on flying general sniping missions/hit HVT in the rear like missle units and artilery..

Wish the depth guard was better than it is.

Yes,...

As for the crabbies, the ones with guncrew ontop are actually one of the most cost effective units (provided you run normal battle difficulty) because they fire in melee.
Leviathans are kinda, disapointing, especially compared to the necros or smaller crabs.

Personally, i have 2 variant armies i run with Vampire coast, siege armies and Necro spam.

Siege armies i center around a vampire lore lord if possible, 2 carronades and 3 mortars aswell as 2 gunnery weights. The rest is gunnery mob and some melee mob in an 50/50 rate later on some depth guard and sireens.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Gonna give TWW2 a crack for the first time in a couple of years. Is it worth getting the Grom DLC for playing an O&G vortex campaign?

Yes. It adds faction wide buff mechanic via Grom's Cauldron (cooking). You start off with access to food items that give two buffs and that can progress to three. There are buffs for IIRC every unit type in the roster. Grom himself is a pretty good lord and buffs up regular Goblins (not Night Goblins) quite a bit. Also it unlocks a new hero caster that has access to Shadow magic as well as a couple of other units.

I haven't played as Eltharion, but I know he adds a bit to High Elves as well.

OG will snowball slower in Vortex due to no confederations, but Grom should still be a beast. If you're familiar with the game he's too strong to play on normal/easy.


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I did a Wulfhart campaign out of curiosity. The heroes are interesting. The Waystalker ends up much stronger than normal Waystalkers and the Paladin is a tank. The Imperial Supplies feature is interesting.

The campaign left a bad taste in my mouth. Wulfhart is evil. He's a European colonizer expy wiping out the natives in a South America expy. I've played other evil factions, but none bothered me like he does. I think it's the combination of rampant racism against the Lizardmen and the fanatical belief that the Empire is somehow the pinnacle of civilization. Also with other evil characters you get it into expecting them to be evil. Chaos wants to end the world, Dark Elves are slavers, Vampire Counts want to dominate the Empire, Skaven are insane, Norsca wants to sack and pillage, etc. The Empire is supposed to at least pretend to be good...but then you spend the entire campaign wiping out the most ancient defender of civilization.

I think I have to play Nakai now just for redemption.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Gonna give TWW2 a crack for the first time in a couple of years. Is it worth getting the Grom DLC for playing an O&G vortex campaign?

I decided to give Grom a go on Vortex VH to see if it was as easy I expected. It's easier...assuming you do a little bit of cheese.

I opened by sacking Arachnos settlements until Grom was level 8-9.

Then I finished them off and the Dwarves.

Imrik declared war on me but his forces were strangely split into two partial stacks. I had enough gold to raise a second army of goblins so I attacked Imrik's starting province with Grom. My second army chain sacked his last settlement (where the vampires start) until that lord was about 18~. I didn't want to stop but the vampire rebels took the settlement and then TK rebels took it from them.

After that Grom took out the Wood Elves and the second army wiped out Numas.

Then the Last Defenders declared war on me. I started wiping them, allied with Clan Mors and together we wiped out the rest of the Lizardmen on the continent. I had to take out an Yvresse army that tried to invade my northern lands, but aside from that they haven't come.

Right now Grom has like 5-6 Big Spiders in his army and a third army has a few as well. I'm about to fill out a 19 stack with the Workshop Boy Night Goblin Shaman boss that gives spider buffs. That army with Maternal Instincts will be able to spawn around 100~ little Spiders in combat and since I have Arachnos + the Workshop Lord they'll have massive buffs.

Grom's food buffs are insanely OP along with his starting buffs. I think my goblins in his army have like 40% physical resistance with 40MD/40MA. The biggest thing is the food buff that gives +8 Public Order and +10% Income.

To make matters worse I have only fought one battle manually, Grom's quest. Everything else has been autoresolved. The ability to recruit rank 9 anything at the same speed or faster as locally is absurd.

Also somehow a rank 8 Black Orc Big Boss killed 1000+ TK skeletons in an autoresolve.

Auto resolve is fething drunk half the time :
and grom makes gobos from 0-hero extremely fast.

THat said i blame the regular tech tree orks got for that aswell, considering the gobbo techs pretty much make them in any ork army something to be desired.

I need to fight manualy vs empire halberd spam... coz they have bonus to large the ai thinks im going to wade into cc with them with my necro frexes.


Btw. Im having trouble recruiting heroes for my luthor harkon campaign. I build the buildings for gunnery wights but it does not increase the total pool :( anyone know if this is a feature or a bug?

 Argive wrote:
I need to fight manualy vs empire halberd spam... coz they have bonus to large the ai thinks im going to wade into cc with them with my necro frexes.


Btw. Im having trouble recruiting heroes for my luthor harkon campaign. I build the buildings for gunnery wights but it does not increase the total pool :( anyone know if this is a feature or a bug?

When did you start it?

You also can increase the limit via the pirate cove mechanic...

Making Clan Moulder your vassal as Warriors of Chaos earns you the greatest voice line game.

 trexmeyer wrote:
Making Clan Moulder your vassal as Warriors of Chaos earns you the greatest voice line game.

Spoiler:

Wait ,lol that is in the game:
?

Having read their patch change lists I can well believe that is in game without any mod alteration. The CA team (or at least their creative/content team) clearly love their warhammer.

Not Online!!! wrote:

 trexmeyer wrote:
Making Clan Moulder your vassal as Warriors of Chaos earns you the greatest voice line game.

Spoiler:

Wait ,lol that is in the game:
?

Yes, that is in the game. Along with the Skaven singing 'Underground, overground, Skaven are we'. I lost it when he said that.

I did finish Grom VH Vortex on turn 153. Could've gone faster, but Rictus confederated Clan Mors so I wiped them out of my jungle before going after Yvresse. That did end up being easy. I think I only called 3 Waaghs all game, one against Imrik, Last Defenders, and Eltharion. I never got my ingredient reward from either High Elf Waagh despite Eltharion being SR 10 when I declared against him so it might be bugged.

Vortex is kind of cheese as a non ritual faction just because even on VH you can time your invade while Chaos is going HAM as well. On the other hand, Grom VH Vortex was much easier than Khalida H Vortex so maybe I've gotten much better or Grom > TK. I do like the Vortex map a lot more. The ocean feels considerably larger.

Thanks for the Grom tips.

How on earth do you get through campaigns so fast? It usually takes me ages to get up to turn 100, lol.

I only fought two manual battles. Honestly, I doubt I spent more than 3-5 minutes on the average turn that game.

I love explosive arrows on Gobbos.

Thanks to that recipe of Grom's, enemy units just tend to vanish under a hail of explosions.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I love explosive arrows on Gobbos.

Thanks to that recipe of Grom's, enemy units just tend to vanish under a hail of explosions.

And it stacks with the scrap upgrade. I think R9 Goblin Archers were over 50 missile damage. Not sure if that was with the High Elf Waaagh buff or not however.

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Argive wrote:
I need to fight manualy vs empire halberd spam... coz they have bonus to large the ai thinks im going to wade into cc with them with my necro frexes.


Btw. Im having trouble recruiting heroes for my luthor harkon campaign. I build the buildings for gunnery wights but it does not increase the total pool :( anyone know if this is a feature or a bug?

When did you start it?

You also can increase the limit via the pirate cove mechanic...

Like last week? Dunno. Had a week off and was getting stoned while playing a lot of WHTW2 lol.
I ended up steam rolling through with Harkon even without more than 3 gunenry wights. Got bored of constantly fighting empire crap stacks so I just called it a day coz I was as good as won.

Finaly played as wood elves. Played as Durthu.
Took a couple tries because the initial campaign is tricky and doing sieges as wood elves takes a bit of know how. Not a fan of the campaign mechanic, felt very restrictive in terms of empire building. The look outs were a bit meh. Ended up taking an early strength 2 ranking and just steam rolled the diplomacy and care-bareing with all the order factions with barely any provinces.

SO what i have left now is the dwarves..

I need to get my pc upgraded. I can play warhammer 2 i just have cooling issues. its time for at least a new case and some fans.

 lord marcus wrote:
I need to get my pc upgraded. I can play warhammer 2 i just have cooling issues. its time for at least a new case and some fans.

What's overheating? Are you overclocking it to run the game? Often it's better to upgrade the coolers than the case, and sometimes it's just the thermal interface material that goes bad and needs to be replaced. I've seen people pull off the side of their case and run desk fans into their overheating gaming computers when there was just some simple thing to fix that they missed.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 lord marcus wrote:
I need to get my pc upgraded. I can play warhammer 2 i just have cooling issues. its time for at least a new case and some fans.

What's overheating? Are you overclocking it to run the game? Often it's better to upgrade the coolers than the case, and sometimes it's just the thermal interface material that goes bad and needs to be replaced. I've seen people pull off the side of their case and run desk fans into their overheating gaming computers when there was just some simple thing to fix that they missed.

Hell, one time I had a laptop where the cooling fan broke (apparently a motherboard issue as replacing the fan didn't fix it).

Set it up with a table fan positioned underneath to blow upwards into it. Couldn't really tax it but made it useable, at least before I sent it into Dell as they had a trade in offer going to get a load of money off a new one (and the fan miraculously started working again like the week before I sent it in so I could say that it was working 100% ).

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 lord marcus wrote:
I need to get my pc upgraded. I can play warhammer 2 i just have cooling issues. its time for at least a new case and some fans.

What's overheating? Are you overclocking it to run the game? Often it's better to upgrade the coolers than the case, and sometimes it's just the thermal interface material that goes bad and needs to be replaced. I've seen people pull off the side of their case and run desk fans into their overheating gaming computers when there was just some simple thing to fix that they missed.

Its my graphics card that overheats. I've got a noctua case fan and the GPU has a double fan on it.

Nope, not overclocking. After diagnosing it with my buddy who also works in IT, we think its that the case my rig is currently built with just doesn't have good enough airflow. Plan is to get a better case (current is an old as balls chinese knockoff of an Alienware case) and potentially replace any stock fans in it with more Noctua fans.

 lord marcus wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 lord marcus wrote:
I need to get my pc upgraded. I can play warhammer 2 i just have cooling issues. its time for at least a new case and some fans.

What's overheating? Are you overclocking it to run the game? Often it's better to upgrade the coolers than the case, and sometimes it's just the thermal interface material that goes bad and needs to be replaced. I've seen people pull off the side of their case and run desk fans into their overheating gaming computers when there was just some simple thing to fix that they missed.

Its my graphics card that overheats. I've got a noctua case fan and the GPU has a double fan on it.

Nope, not overclocking. After diagnosing it with my buddy who also works in IT, we think its that the case my rig is currently built with just doesn't have good enough airflow. Plan is to get a better case (current is an old as balls chinese knockoff of an Alienware case) and potentially replace any stock fans in it with more Noctua fans.

The easy way to check if it's the case is to take the side off the case and see what temperature it reaches under load when it's open to free air. The best cases aren't going to be much better than a cheap case with the side open And Noctua fans aren't likely to cool better, they tend to be geared for silence rather than cool running and will often make a case hotter if you just replace the cheap crappy high speed fans on a cheap case with the low speed Noctuas (and I say that as someone who owns about $250 of Noctua products )

It's usually silent cases (which tend to be designed without many openings, thick walls and heat retaining padding to reduce noise) or HTPC or slimline style cases (where everything is mounted super close together and there's no space for airflow) which tend to create problems rather than cheap cases.

Cheap cases are usually fine cooling wise with 1 or 2 case fans, assuming you aren't overclocking or running the bleeding edge of technology, and worst case scenario you just open the side panel or cut a hole for an extra fan.

I only bring it up because I'd hate to see someone waste money upgrading a case when the reason it's overheating is a fault with a component and it would be better spent upgrading the hardware inside, cases probably have the worst return-on-investment in terms of performance, nerds buy fancy cases more for aesthetics, build quality and silence, the cooling benefit is usually not great versus the cheap cases.