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 Orlanth wrote:
 Chillreaper wrote:
 Albertorius wrote:


Nope, it's an RRT Valkyrie with 3d printed parts (also, feth Palladium )


Oh, yeah. Feth Palladium.


There is a tale or two here methinks.

What is the hate for Palladium beyond their badly formatted and sucky rules.


Probably the complete cluster feth that was the Kickstarter, the fact they announce like 12 products a year and release 2 of them, and any of the other number of absolutely mismanaged things they do regularly.

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 Orlanth wrote:
 Chillreaper wrote:
 Albertorius wrote:


Nope, it's an RRT Valkyrie with 3d printed parts (also, feth Palladium )


Oh, yeah. Feth Palladium.


There is a tale or two here methinks.

What is the hate for Palladium beyond their badly formatted and sucky rules.


https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/rrpgt/robotech-rpg-tacticstm?lang=es

https://www.polygon.com/2018/3/2/17071612/robotech-rpg-tactics-kickstarter-disaster-palladium-books

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 Orlanth wrote:
 Chillreaper wrote:
 Albertorius wrote:


Nope, it's an RRT Valkyrie with 3d printed parts (also, feth Palladium )


Oh, yeah. Feth Palladium.


There is a tale or two here methinks.

What is the hate for Palladium beyond their badly formatted and sucky rules.


I'm surprised that you aren't already aware. Palladiums mismanagement of the Robotech RPG Tactics kickstarter is legendary. Long story short, Palladium took millions of dollars of backer funds for Robotech minis, produced and delivered about 1/3rd of the kits they promised to substandard quality which they grossly overproduced to the point that within a few months of the retail release they were in discount bins being sold at a lower price than they were offered through the kickstarter, strung backers along promising they were working on getting the second wave manufactured and delivered, and then after about 5 years or so came out and said "just kidding we almost went bankrupt on this and can't afford to fulfill what we promised you - plus we lost the license. you get nothing, lol, but heres a store credit for your troubles so you can buy our remaining stock of the wave 1 items at full retail price + cost of shipping".

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If you have a couple months free, you can even check the threads here, they're EPIC

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and then once plladium feths that up horriably Harmony gold decides the best way to further aliennate boardgame fans was to launch a completely baseless lawsuit against Piranana Games, Hairbrained schemes and CGL on the basis that that the atlas looks too much like the armored veritech.

So feth Palladium and feth harmony gold.

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And then, of course, was the quality of the minis themselves.

By wa of example, this sprue was 2 Riflemen, with no options whatsoever:

Spoiler:


Wonder where all the seams are? Yeah. RIGHT IN THE FETHING MIDDLE OF FETHING EVERYTHING. All in the name of preserving the gLoRiOuS detail >.>

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 Albertorius wrote:
By wa of example, this sprue was 2 Riflemen, with no options whatsoever:


What are you talking about? They had the two glorious options of stepping slightly and standing there with a stick up its butt.

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 Platuan4th wrote:
 Albertorius wrote:
By wa of example, this sprue was 2 Riflemen, with no options whatsoever:


What are you talking about? They had the two glorious options of stepping slightly and standing there with a stick up its butt.


I mean there's not a single extra piece ^^
   
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 Albertorius wrote:
 Platuan4th wrote:
 Albertorius wrote:
By wa of example, this sprue was 2 Riflemen, with no options whatsoever:


What are you talking about? They had the two glorious options of stepping slightly and standing there with a stick up its butt.


I mean there's not a single extra piece ^^


some people like not having any "Waste" no I don't get it eaither

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BrianDavion wrote:
 Albertorius wrote:
 Platuan4th wrote:
 Albertorius wrote:
By wa of example, this sprue was 2 Riflemen, with no options whatsoever:


What are you talking about? They had the two glorious options of stepping slightly and standing there with a stick up its butt.


I mean there's not a single extra piece ^^


some people like not having any "Waste" no I don't get it eaither

I don't mind not having "waste". I VERY much mind that each gakky mini is 20 pieces. FFS.

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Lots of pieces but no posability, not a gtood combo.

I get it now, gross mismanagement and bad composition. Palladium is a name I remember from the 80's. They were authors not toymakers, their core 'competency' if you could call it such was making splatbooks.
Some of their games were well received, they did a reasonable job with the TMNT licence, and Rifts had a following, but I didn't rate either. If i wanted Rifts I would get the real thing and play Shadowrun, or Cyberpunk 2020.
The only product of their I bought was the red book Palladium Fantasy RPG, I was not impressed frankly, while there was room for progress in the setting nothing came of it and the core rules was an AD&D clone with little to show for it.
I did remember the Robotech kickstarter but did not bite, it was memorable to me because the Palladium name popped up again some decade after they stopped making books.
Sounds like I not so much dodged a bullet but had my apathy shield up.


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BrianDavion wrote:
and then once plladium feths that up horriably Harmony gold decides the best way to further aliennate boardgame fans was to launch a completely baseless lawsuit against Piranana Games, Hairbrained schemes and CGL on the basis that that the atlas looks too much like the armored veritech.


Yep, I knew about that one, unseen etc. watched that for years, FASA and later Catalyst managed to clear all the unseen except the Robotech ones, and that only happened when the devs of Mechwarrior Online had the money to fight the case and found that while Harmony Gold had a a licence they did not have an exclusive licence, and all the claims made against non Robotech mechs was just a trolling even GW legal would baulk at.

BrianDavion wrote:

So feth Palladium and feth harmony gold.


Both are well and truly fethed. Harmony Gold are no longer permitted to go after Catalyst or other Battletech IP holders, we do not know what else transpired as there are NDA's involved. They are not doing anything of themselves but squat on the licences they actually hold, so they are a non issue now, an IP quatter wioth nothing to sit on.
Palladium are bankrupt.
You got your wish.

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 Albertorius wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
 Albertorius wrote:
 Platuan4th wrote:
 Albertorius wrote:
By wa of example, this sprue was 2 Riflemen, with no options whatsoever:


What are you talking about? They had the two glorious options of stepping slightly and standing there with a stick up its butt.


I mean there's not a single extra piece ^^


some people like not having any "Waste" no I don't get it eaither

I don't mind not having "waste". I VERY much mind that each gakky mini is 20 pieces. FFS.


That was meant to be tongue in cheek. However, IIRC, they tried to justify that BS with the piece count by claiming they were small model kits rather than miniatures, which they had to do in the first place because they didn't technically have a license to produce a Robotech miniatures game(the same reason RRT was "technically" an expansion of the RPG).

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I’m guessing the RRT KS.

   
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 Orlanth wrote:
Lots of pieces but no posability, not a gtood combo.
Hmm... there's another company that does that and seems to be doing quite well...

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
 Orlanth wrote:
Lots of pieces but no posability, not a gtood combo.
Hmm... there's another company that does that and seems to be doing quite well...


At least with that other company the added parts mean added detail, so there's that.
   
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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
 Orlanth wrote:
Lots of pieces but no posability, not a gtood combo.
Hmm... there's another company that does that and seems to be doing quite well...


yeah except GW's models look good


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 Platuan4th wrote:
 Albertorius wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
 Albertorius wrote:
 Platuan4th wrote:
 Albertorius wrote:
By wa of example, this sprue was 2 Riflemen, with no options whatsoever:


What are you talking about? They had the two glorious options of stepping slightly and standing there with a stick up its butt.


I mean there's not a single extra piece ^^


some people like not having any "Waste" no I don't get it eaither

I don't mind not having "waste". I VERY much mind that each gakky mini is 20 pieces. FFS.


That was meant to be tongue in cheek. However, IIRC, they tried to justify that BS with the piece count by claiming they were small model kits rather than miniatures, which they had to do in the first place because they didn't technically have a license to produce a Robotech miniatures game(the same reason RRT was "technically" an expansion of the RPG).


wonder if that played into why they lost the lisence

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I think the generally really bad publicity that was generated by the Kickstarter was enough to seal the deal. I'd also be willing to accept the idea that Palladium declined to renew the license knowing that it was their "get out of jail" from being on the hook for fulfillment while also being a sound business decision, purely on the basis that they would never be able to recoup their licensing fees after pissing off the majority of the customers of that product line.

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I still have about 100+ models for RRT that I opened, looked at and then set aside. They are buried so deep, I don't even count them as part of my pile of shame.

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Same. I'm at an utter loss as to wtf I should do with them.

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chaos0xomega wrote:
Same. I'm at an utter loss as to wtf I should do with them.
If you just want to get rid of them, shoot me a PM.

   
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I went for that thrice cursed Kickstarter because I wanted my Unseens for BT. Obviously on the surface, that was a big outlay for a handful of Unseens, especially when you factor in the scale differences, only four of the models were usable.

But, I got caught up in the KS hype-train plonked down too much money and got into the whole RRT idea. I'd end up with a cool Robotech game as well as my precious Warhammer minis.

Now, we all know how that turned out... a lot of plastic ended up in my personal Graveyard of Tears and Regret.

Over the next few years, we get MWO and its redesigns. People produce minis off them (might have bought the odd one here and there...). CGL realizes that they can get in on the action and behold, a lovely BT Kickstarter to wipe away the tears.

One thing changed my outlook on everything that took place - getting a 3d printer. Any BT minis that weren't in the KS? I can make them! All those minis that didn't appear because of Palladium's shenanigans? I can make those, too!

I think that there's a fair chance that I'll be playing RRT in the future. Seeing a MAC II Monster rising from the resin vat gives a person ideas and warm, fuzzy feelings!

   
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 Manchu wrote:
chaos0xomega wrote:
Same. I'm at an utter loss as to wtf I should do with them.
If you just want to get rid of them, shoot me a PM.


Will do, but I assume I'll need to dig them out of storage and inventory it first.

One thing changed my outlook on everything that took place - getting a 3d printer. Any BT minis that weren't in the KS? I can make them! All those minis that didn't appear because of Palladium's shenanigans? I can make those, too!


Only reason I'm not 3d printing my own (or buying other unofficial sculpts) is because I want to maintain scale consistency with CGLs new sculpts.

I think that there's a fair chance that I'll be playing RRT in the future. Seeing a MAC II Monster rising from the resin vat gives a person ideas and warm, fuzzy feelings!


Hmmm... maybe I don't sell everything to Manchu...

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chaos0xomega wrote:


One thing changed my outlook on everything that took place - getting a 3d printer. Any BT minis that weren't in the KS? I can make them! All those minis that didn't appear because of Palladium's shenanigans? I can make those, too!


Only reason I'm not 3d printing my own (or buying other unofficial sculpts) is because I want to maintain scale consistency with CGLs new sculpts.

I think that there's a fair chance that I'll be playing RRT in the future. Seeing a MAC II Monster rising from the resin vat gives a person ideas and warm, fuzzy feelings!


Hmmm... maybe I don't sell everything to Manchu...



My scale obsession has relegated all of those purchased unofficial prints to a junk box - they're just not right. Having my own printer means that I can get the stuff I make match the CGL scale to my satisfaction. It's not even remotely hard to do, it just involves the odd mistake in scaling to find out what you actually wanted to do.

I've not gone into full RRT production runs yet, just enough test prints to realise that it's achievable; Gnerls, Ghosts, Armoured Valks, FPA units... you name it... It has the ability to redeem the game and Uncle Kev be damned!

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RRT is a really fun game and I have lots of RRT minis but could always use more destroids. Chaosxomega, keep me in mind if you decide you want to get rid of your stuff.

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anyway let's keep the focus on battletech guys, not RTT! Ones a dead game and the others still alive despite Harmony Gold's best efforts

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anyone got a copy of the IS battle lance or know where I can get one in the UK, cannot find it or the other boxes anywhere.
   
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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
 Orlanth wrote:
Lots of pieces but no posability, not a gtood combo.
Hmm... there's another company that does that and seems to be doing quite well...


Erm no. Ok we are talking GW.

GW has two types of infantry (mech sized) models. Either heavily posable and customisable kits and monopose kits. The former can be assembled in multiple combos and loadouts, but have some stiffness of pose to enable this. The latter are more flowing and natural but sacrifice most pose-ability with this, even so the monopose models normally have head variation and some weapon variation, usually two per pose.
The GW kits are also easier to kitbash.

The rifleman showcased here has no pose-ability and no variants yet has lot and lots of pieces.

In neither case have conversions been considered, as with all plastic kits you can do quite a lot to further variate them with as bit of skill and time.




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 Easy E wrote:
I still have about 100+ models for RRT that I opened, looked at and then set aside. They are buried so deep, I don't even count them as part of my pile of shame.


I believe you, looking back at the Kickstarter page I remember now why I never backed. The amount of gak you have to pay for to get a couple of Warhammers, Riflemen and one Marauder. In the end it just was not worth it.
Subsequently I forgot all about it, and now post delivery of Clan Invasion it can all join the pile of shame that never was.
Why bother about naff Rifleman miniatures when I have re-seen Riflemen in my pile of shame alongside c100 other mechs and elemental stands.
Doubt I am the only one.

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My KS stuff shipped!!! w00t!

 Orlanth wrote:
The rifleman showcased here has no pose-ability and no variants yet has lot and lots of pieces.

In neither case have conversions been considered, as with all plastic kits you can do quite a lot to further variate them with as bit of skill and time.
Settle down Orlanth. I was making a joke.


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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
My KS stuff shipped!!! w00t!

 Orlanth wrote:
The rifleman showcased here has no pose-ability and no variants yet has lot and lots of pieces.

In neither case have conversions been considered, as with all plastic kits you can do quite a lot to further variate them with as bit of skill and time.
Settle down Orlanth. I was making a joke.



One can never tell with all the triggered people over recent GW sculpt policy.

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I've been looking all over for comparison pics of IWM, Catalyst miniatures, and MWDA. Is the MWDA cougar huge compared to the others? Are there any comparison pics floating around. Some of the MWDA have to be suitable for BT and Alpha Strike. I plan on rebasing most of my MWDA if they are suitable or close to the others. The infantry seem fine. Cheers and a happy weekend.
   
 
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