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Vandil wrote:Late to the party but it's more the better in my opinion. I ordered a big mek with SAG, the metal version was both unbalanced and easily broken with a ton of weight on one connection point. I have to order direct from GW no store local, or at least not within a reasonable drive.

First reaction on opening it in my dark bedroom, not bad... Then I looked at it more closely and hello customer service....

Yeah. . . .and how'd you like paying almost $40 for that?

That Big Mek w/SAG reminded me more of the kind of way the Forgeworld minis come through the mail. Plenty of flash/bubbles/bent parts needing heat, and miscasts. for the amount of money they charge you would think that they would come, in great shape, cleaned up from release agent, de-burred, sanded and practically ready to just assemble and paint out of the box, but noooooo, GW/FW sends you so much to work on before you can assemble and paint the minis.

so, for more money you spend, the more work you have to do on these "super-fine" resin models.

Now as to the apparent parallel to FW minis, I have to0 say i got models from Old Crow for way less (8 models running the same as a three or two model order) And all I really had to do was add glue, assemble and paint!

Smaller company that charges less, and sends out a model in a more ready to assemble and paint condition than the ahem, "porsche" of the Minis world?

This just shows that GW is Fat, Happy and Lazy.

I've bought the Eldar Scouts yesterday.

I do have to say that I was impressed, and as far as I could see there were no problems on that product. Oh dear, the feet were horrible, at least one feet for every figure had a twist or something wrong, but it's not a main issue.

Quality seems good, the only thing that I wonder is how this thing is resin and yet it's flexible.

One rifle was bent, I easily bent it the other way and the rifle straightned up.

I've glued the backpack and deliberatly threw the miniature on the floor from the table (adding a bit of speed). The figure bounced on the floor, I picked it up and had no damage at all.

I'm just wondering if I've been lucky, reading about Finecast reviews and after looking at the Ork above gave me fear.

I probably don't see the bubbles, or the little wrong details, but I can say that for the product I've bought, I'm happy. Lightweight, sturdy and yet flexible.

puma713 wrote:

Vandil wrote:Late to the party but it's more the better in my opinion. I ordered a big mek with SAG, the metal version was both unbalanced and easily broken with a ton of weight on one connection point. I have to order direct from GW no store local, or at least not within a reasonable drive.

First reaction on opening it in my dark bedroom, not bad... Then I looked at it more closely and hello customer service....

Yeah. . . .and how'd you like paying almost $40 for that?

Considering a lot of flaws are fairly easy to fix and a ring to customer service gets you a free replacement.

You should feel just fine.

If you don't, PM me and we'll work out a somewhat fair price for me buying your warhams collection.

LunaHound wrote:

AvatarForm wrote:[
Unfrotunately, it is a sad fact of wargaming forums that you have a few members who have followings of sychophants who are ready to dogpile any contradictory arguement, regardless of its merits. Compounding this situation is the fact that some use the almighty Post Count as a replacement for credibility. We have even seen this week in the Swap Shop a seller call out a buyer based upon post count, defending themselves with their own post count and a mighty 10 Good Sales total... wow! If I didnt have 100+ on other forums I might be impressed by this... or not.

Yep, and then deleted.

To what do you refer?

Amusingly, the guy who claims his Gandalf melted in the sun has now recanted his story completely, apparently believing his model was miscast and the material is completely blameless in this. Maybe he should have paused and thought about that possibility before writing a condemning blog post about it. Apparently he's now being harassed because of that act of stupidity, for which I have zero sympathy for him.

Ah, no melting, just a miscast that caused it to droop so far as the pop the supporting metal pin out of the leg... Wait, is that supposed to be better?

It isn't hard to test this.

Get an empty sprue. Pin it upright on a piece of card with a drawing pin. Put it in your car's rear window.

Put a second one in the car boot. Put a third in a house window facing the sun. Put a fourth in a house room which gets hot from the sun.

Yeah. It's not that difficult a thing to test. You only need one miniature at most (which won't be ruined by the test) and chances are you won't even need to buy it (easy to blag sprues off folks in store really).

Heck, I've shown what happens with hot water.

I didn't pin anything, but I did place an empty sprue on a metal plate on my cars mask, in full daylight with 30 degrees in the shade. Two hours later the sprue was still there, unchanged in shape or consistency. Well, a bit more bendy, but that's it.

As a side note, the models themselves (Lelith and Snikch) had no major flaws and even the copious amounts of flash on Snikch was easy to remove. However, I am an experienced modeler and I feel those casts, while superior in just about all aspects to metal, aren't really suitable for your average 13 year old gamer, since careful movements and surgical precision with your knife and sandpaper are required to avoid ruining some of the actual finer detail on the model. There were some air bubbles here and there, but easily fixable with green stuff, which again makes the product unsuitable for unexperienced users.

Interestingly, it took GW UK three days to process my order for two measly models when usually they shipped the same day. Either they're working round the clock to push the kits to b'n'm stores first and foremost or, one would hope, they actually take their time in QC.

Agamemnon2 wrote:Amusingly, the guy who claims his Gandalf melted in the sun has now recanted his story completely, apparently believing his model was miscast and the material is completely blameless in this. Maybe he should have paused and thought about that possibility before writing a condemning blog post about it. Apparently he's now being harassed because of that act of stupidity, for which I have zero sympathy for him.

No sympathy for someone that's actually willing to correct his errors, admit his mistake, and call out those who blew his original post out of proportion?

Actually, I kinda agree. I don't so much feel sympathy as admiration.

Good on you, Alendrel. That's a noble sentiment.

Somewhat related, I had two sets of legs missing off the spru when i orderd 5 corvus pattern armour marines from FW, and they sent me loads of extra bits with the replacement, I think their customer service is spot on in my experience.

But its not popular to say that on here so... yeah, I hate GW they should give us all free money.

In fact no feth you guys, I think they aren't such a bad bunch after all.

mattyrm wrote:But its not popular to say that on here so... yeah, I hate GW they should give us all free money.

Don't know how you came to that conclusion. From what I can tell no one has ever claimed that GW's customer service was anything but spot-on.

puma713 wrote:

Vandil wrote:Late to the party but it's more the better in my opinion. I ordered a big mek with SAG, the metal version was both unbalanced and easily broken with a ton of weight on one connection point. I have to order direct from GW no store local, or at least not within a reasonable drive.

First reaction on opening it in my dark bedroom, not bad... Then I looked at it more closely and hello customer service....

Yeah. . . .and how'd you like paying almost $40 for that?

I didn't really it's way to much, there was a full 12 man Spartan hoplite unit + captain for the same $$ it was pewter and made in the UK! I've been going back and forth with Dan from the blog/news letter at GW over email. He finally convinced me to try one and send him back pictures of it. I'll see if customer service will replace it with store credit and I'll use it on plastics. It was funny I'd spent at least one email telling him how important it is for the models to have durability when people spend 10hrs painting one. Then the big mek shows with a busted boss pole right out of the box. I sent him back my FRPgames order history for the last 2 months with the pics. All of it was for other games and it wasn't small. I asked him to pass it along to whomever he thought needed to see it, the mek will be the last Finecast anything I order for a long time if ever again. I doubt it will make any difference but if you don't speak up putting your money where your mouth is they're just going to go along oblivious to the problems. They can either fix it or lose me as a customer, only time will tell. (:edit CS replaced it with another BM+SAG, not ideal but I can live with it assuming the next one isn't dorked up in the same way.)

Here is my most recent arrival. I was tipped onto by the sale thread in this forum. The contrast jumps up and pimp slaps you. Maybe I'm old fashioned but I prefer the personal touch and quality product to the shiny box art and mass produced crap product. (I collect Hasbro for that)

Vandil wrote:
Here is my most recent arrival. I was tipped onto by the sale thread in this forum. The contrast jumps up and pimp slaps you. Maybe I'm old fashioned but I prefer the personal touch and quality product to the shiny box art and mass produced crap product. (I collect Hasbro for that)

Always loved Heresy's personal touch, and the sweeties are always wonderful. Hasslefree does it too.

Enjoy your British lolly.

Just popping in here to confirm something regarding heat.

It's the taller and more slender components that seem to be more fragile. Poles, trophy racks, banners. And it very much depends on the angle they are at.

I say this as the local GW's Azhag has now had his banner pole droop over to the point where it's curled over the Wyvern's wings. The rest of him is fine. Just the spindly banner pole, likely due to the 'weight' of the banner itself.

That's nothing that couldn't be solved by drilling and pinning the length of the banner pole.

True. Just thought I'd bring that up. It would never have happened with the metal. The banner would never have drooped. Admittedly it'd be a pain in the backside to get assembled and remain that way but I'm slightly concerned about that.

Trying to think what other things in the range have a free flying banner like that.

It makes it worse that Azhag's a definate centrepiece model that people would -want- to display.

Vandil wrote:

puma713 wrote:

Vandil wrote:Late to the party but it's more the better in my opinion. I ordered a big mek with SAG, the metal version was both unbalanced and easily broken with a ton of weight on one connection point. I have to order direct from GW no store local, or at least not within a reasonable drive.

First reaction on opening it in my dark bedroom, not bad... Then I looked at it more closely and hello customer service....

Yeah. . . .and how'd you like paying almost $40 for that?

I didn't really it's way to much, there was a full 12 man Spartan hoplite unit + captain for the same $$ it was pewter and made in the UK! I've been going back and forth with Dan from the blog/news letter at GW over email. He finally convinced me to try one and send him back pictures of it. I'll see if customer service will replace it with store credit and I'll use it on plastics. It was funny I'd spent at least one email telling him how important it is for the models to have durability when people spend 10hrs painting one. Then the big mek shows with a busted boss pole right out of the box. I sent him back my FRPgames order history for the last 2 months with the pics. All of it was for other games and it wasn't small. I asked him to pass it along to whomever he thought needed to see it, the mek will be the last Finecast anything I order for a long time if ever again. I doubt it will make any difference but if you don't speak up putting your money where your mouth is they're just going to go along oblivious to the problems. They can either fix it or lose me as a customer, only time will tell. (:edit CS replaced it with another BM+SAG, not ideal but I can live with it assuming the next one isn't dorked up in the same way.)

Here is my most recent arrival. I was tipped onto by the sale thread in this forum. The contrast jumps up and pimp slaps you. Maybe I'm old fashioned but I prefer the personal touch and quality product to the shiny box art and mass produced crap product. (I collect Hasbro for that)

I can also attest to the extra mile Heresy goes to.

When I was building a Nurgle Daemon army, I was not too impressed with GW's offering and so I bought the Ltd Ed Tunnel Dweller and 20 Blights... problem was, one of the blights was missing its head... no biggie. But I let the guys know and along with the head, they sent me an entire new blight.

Un-necessary, but a nice bonus.

I doubt GW would do that on purpose these days.

Fun fact:
"What's new today" features an article titled "The Black Rage Descends".
And no, it is not about the public reaction to Finecast

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/blogPost.jsp?aId=16800038a

Kroothawk wrote:Fun fact:
"What's new today" features an article titled "The Black Rage Descends".
And no, it is not about the public reaction to Finecast

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/blogPost.jsp?aId=16800038a

Would be funny if whomever posted it was knowingly going for the double meaning though!

Kilkrazy wrote:That's nothing that couldn't be solved by drilling and pinning the length of the banner pole.

Wasn't this one of the perks of going from metal to Failcast? "Yay! No more drilling and pinning!"

Alpharius wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:Fun fact:
"What's new today" features an article titled "The Black Rage Descends".
And no, it is not about the public reaction to Finecast

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/blogPost.jsp?aId=16800038a

Would be funny if whomever posted it was knowingly going for the double meaning though!

Hah! A sort of subversion from within...

Worglock wrote:

puma713 wrote:

Vandil wrote:Late to the party but it's more the better in my opinion. I ordered a big mek with SAG, the metal version was both unbalanced and easily broken with a ton of weight on one connection point. I have to order direct from GW no store local, or at least not within a reasonable drive.

First reaction on opening it in my dark bedroom, not bad... Then I looked at it more closely and hello customer service....

Yeah. . . .and how'd you like paying almost $40 for that?

Considering a lot of flaws are fairly easy to fix and a ring to customer service gets you a free replacement.

You should feel just fine.

Pulling a roach out of my sandwich is easy to fix and, a quick walk to the counter would get me a new one, but I wouldn't feel just fine about it.

At $38 for one model, the thing should be damn near perfect. But, I should be happy about spending my hard-earned money on an overpriced, hyped-up version of something I could've gotten cheaper and more resilient two weeks ago. Right?

Alendrel wrote:No sympathy for someone that's actually willing to correct his errors, admit his mistake, and call out those who blew his original post out of proportion?

Actually, I kinda agree. I don't so much feel sympathy as admiration.

If he'd bothered to check his facts to start with, the whole debacle could have been avoided. But no, he thought it was better to run along to the echo chamber and scream.

puma713 wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:That's nothing that couldn't be solved by drilling and pinning the length of the banner pole.

Wasn't this one of the perks of going from metal to Failcast? "Yay! No more drilling and pinning!"

You don't honestly think GW would give up the lucrative pin vise trade, do you? Especially at their markup.

puma713 wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:That's nothing that couldn't be solved by drilling and pinning the length of the banner pole.

Wasn't this one of the perks of going from metal to Failcast? "Yay! No more drilling and pinning!"

I don't recall GW touting this....and many of the new finecast figs don't need pinning for basic structural assembly. I replace all my banners, etc. with metal because I prefer the rigidity....but either way, the resin is infinitely easier to drill into.

My first finecast was an ork painboy....detail was nice, weight is fine. He has sat in my garage workbench with no "melting" or anything of the sort. The syringe tip was miscast-as I would expect be it metal, plastic, etc. replaced with a tac tip (which I would have done anyway)

I am not happy to pay almost 20$ for a single fig....However, the difference between what I expected to pay (about 12-14$) is not so much that I expect the figure to leap out of the packaging assembled, paint itself and then do my taxes...

Agamemnon2 wrote:

Alendrel wrote:No sympathy for someone that's actually willing to correct his errors, admit his mistake, and call out those who blew his original post out of proportion?

Actually, I kinda agree. I don't so much feel sympathy as admiration.

If he'd bothered to check his facts to start with, the whole debacle could have been avoided. But no, he thought it was better to run along to the echo chamber and scream.

By which you mean a personal blog that has 60 followers after being linked all over a bunch of forums? Sure, it'd have been better if he hadn't made the original post, but I assume that he is human, and thus, makes mistakes sometimes. In the grand scale of things, one gamer getting overly frothy on a blog is a pretty trivial mistake. And rather than taking the all too common "echo chamber" tactic of doggedly digging in and denying any possbile error, he not only openly recants, but also disavows those who took the post out of context or proportion.

Of course, the debacle could have been avoided by GW actually performing proper QC for the release, so that people weren't being extra aware and sensitive of potential miscasts and similar quality issues.

Hate the sinner and the repentant.