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JohnHwangDD wrote:If GW is re-releasing SH as a gateway to 40k, I'd think that they'd want to take advantage of 5th edition, perhaps as "advanced SH"?

And there's your answer - they're not. Or their vision of a 'gateway to 40k' differs markedly from yours.

The post about making Talisman use WHFB rules just about sums up the absurdity of this idea IMO.

Seconded... They're a multinational organization with managers who don't game and who don't know anyone who makes less than a six figure income. But if it'll make them money they'll do it. And if it makes sense and would allow us to get cheaper bits they probably won't... Remember, they're in this for the money, not the hobby. I miss the old days before they went public with their stocks.

Tribune wrote:The post about making Talisman use WHFB rules just about sums up the absurdity of this idea IMO.

I think your comparison of Talisman and Space Hulk is like comparing Carcassonne and Backgammon. They're wildly different kinds of games.

Fine then.

Warhammer Quest using WFB rules. It wouldn't work.

BYE

JohnHwangDD wrote:If GW is re-releasing SH as a gateway to 40k, I'd think that they'd want to take advantage of 5th edition, perhaps as "advanced SH"?

Odd. I thought that is what the purpose of the Assault on Black Reach boxed set. A gateway 40k set.
I have no idea why they would attempt to introduce 40K with yet another boxed set that has altogether different rules.

The only commonality I can see the two sharing is models and background.

As I said before, I was told that the game would have a limited shelf life and limited in-store support, after that it becomes a direct only product for the most part. It is not intended to get a long term support beyond a few articles on-line and in the WD. Basically this version is getting a Specialist Games treatment.

Agamemnon2 wrote:

Alex Kolodotschko wrote:If this was going to be anything like as big as LOTR we would have heard a lot more by now

I think that's a flawed assumption

Okay, perhaps not a 'lot more' but something and probably from an official source.
The release is going to be less than 10 months away. If it was going to be 'LOTR big' we would
have heard rumours of GW introducing a 4th system or something like that.

Hellfury wrote:Here is a timer someone made for Spacehulk.

A nice thing to use if you happen to have a laptop handy. Sadly, it doesn't work for phone aps as it is too big to fit the screen. [edit] It seems the creator took some feedback since I last used it as the screen size is customizable to fit your screen. I assume that means you can download the app to a phone[/edit]

The timer is adjustable by clicking the termies or the little red part of the blip marker. Its nice to see such customization.
The file could definitely be improved by adding the scanner sound from the movie Aliens, as I think the ping is a little annoying. Perhaps even a alien screech at the end to show the times up.

Audio files from the AVP game could easily be used.

But its a sweet app and the person who made it on BoardgameGeek should be given mad props for making it.

I just received an email from the guy who made the spacehulk timer and he attached a version that uses sounds from the motion tracker prop recently shown at comic on a couple years ago. (see attachment)

its a bit harsh though, as I can see the timer getting annoying to use really quickly. I cracked the avp game yesterday and found the sound files to extract which are a lot less harsh. Hopefully those will be included instead.

[edit: to use this, just open the file with your fav web browser anytime after you save it.]

Agamemnon2 wrote:

Tribune wrote:The post about making Talisman use WHFB rules just about sums up the absurdity of this idea IMO.

I think your comparison of Talisman and Space Hulk is like comparing Carcassonne and Backgammon. They're wildly different kinds of games.

My point was that 40k and Space Hulk are also wildly different types of game.

As are Talisman and WHFB.

But you don't seem to follow me. Such is life.

yeah,
this thread has gone right down hill....
what has passing 'go' in Ludo got to do with 'a battle to the Death in the chilling depths of space?'

Back OT: My Opinion:
If they are updating the basic game to incorporate new fluff. They don't need to change the rules:
The old fluff still olds true for 99% of Space Hulks Antics.
Basically The Tyranid vanguard has managed to overthrow a space hulk... But it's been unmanned for decades, floating around until now... Rediscovered by the Space Marines.
BroodLords and BioMorphs could be included per mission...
gaunts, warriors and tyrants (you need extra minis to play)...should come later in extra sets/WD articles.
Cultists don't fit the current mainsteam fluff (sorry)...

Panic...............

Panic wrote:Cultists don't fit the current mainsteam fluff (sorry)...

What are you talking about? They haven't removed Genestealer Cults from the fluff.

BYE

yeah,
I know they havn't cut it out... they sort of put that fluff in a dark corner of the codex...
a mind washed population marching enmass onto 'nid craft is all that's left of the Cults...

It's a Shame really the cults looked awesome!
I think they are one codex away from disappearing!

Panic...

I'd much rather see 'Space Hulk' as a general framework for quick-play games in the WH40k universe, but focusing on 'installations' (Space Hulks being the primary) with multiple options for missions, forces, and such built in from the start. If it's well done, the same idea could potentially be re-used for other scenarios and the Space Hulk base set could have a lot of add-on supplements.

So you buy the Space Hulk basic set, play it, then can pick up other sets like the 'Last Stand of the Guard' set based around Guard defending an installation (built from a mix of SH tiles and a couple new pieces) from Genestealers. Or perhaps a wacky Chaos themed supplement where the Space Marines may go in and blast cultists but there's room for Daemons and CSM.

Essentially, support it like some of the more complex board games like Memoir '44 does.

Or, as I doubt they'll do this, maybe it's a niche another company can take advantage of.

It wouldn't take much to turn Space Hulk into the 'Alamo' bit from Starship Troopers (Just swap Terminators for Guardsmen) and a small leap again to 'Space Hulk - Battles in the underhive ventilation vents - Ork commandos vs.Crapachans. Space Hulk could be an open ended license to print money for GW.

Panic wrote:yeah,
this thread has gone right down hill....
what has passing 'go' in Ludo got to do with 'a battle to the Death in the chilling depths of space?'

Back OT: My Opinion:
The old fluff still olds true for 99% of Space Hulks Antics.
Basically Tyranid vanguard a space hulk... unmanned for decades, floating Rediscovered Marines.
mission...Cultists don't fit the current mainsteam fluff (sorry)...

Panic...............

Sorry about the rant. It was more to do with the time limit thing. Nuff said.
Also, everyone listen to Panic. I've taken the liberty of editing his previous post but this is what it's all about!

Balance wrote:I'd much rather see 'Space Hulk' as a general framework for quick-play games in the WH40k universe, but focusing on 'installations'.

I'd love to see it but I doubt it will ever happen!
Also
If it is made well enough we shouldn't need any flashy add ons. Terminators and Genestealers will do just fine!