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This looks good, but I want to see pics before I start painting loads of terminators!

It'll be good for new gamers, but I like the original. The second edition was a poor revision upon the original, and I don't predict this going back towards the original.

I think an important points been missed here, I reckon that the models will be a recut of aobr and bfm (maybe with icongraphy redone - no point having two sets of 'cheap termies!). The main seller? plastic floor tiles, with door ways etc (like the old card games but....compatible with the 40k buildings, probably with a 'space ship/objective' sprue included. The books would show the plans to play (obviously the final bigger plans you would need two sets/expansion to play) with plenty of pics showing what's possible if you expand into the 40K scenery leading into the whole back page 'so look you've played and expanded your terrain, why not jump into 40K and suplement your troops with more choices from the army'. WD would also look at it from the other angle a couple of months later - combing terrain to make spectacular space shipps and 40K boards, combined campagins (with a bfg mention to boot), kill team update to get your eldar/orks etc into space hulk. Sales tactics yes, but I for one would be dumb enough to fall for it! I'd quit fancy a section of 40K terrain to be a downd spaceship. Hey does that lead to a push on gorka-morka too in the not so distant future? That whole game centers around a space ship! Are GW clever enough to think that far ahead? Will spacehulk come under the planet fall umbrella too?

As for scale/ppp - I really don't think so, it's a hobby. If they wanted a stand alone game it would be a completly separate one like talisman.

covenant84 wrote:
As for scale/ppp - I really don't think so, it's a hobby. If they wanted a stand alone game it would be a completly separate one like talisman.

The last release of Space Hulk was completely stand-alone.

yet the models were compatible with 40K and the books did suggest players try it out (correct me if i'm wrong). There were also plenty of suggestions in white dwarf on combining the two games into story based campaigns (i think bfg also suggested this although space hulk was out of production by then)

Sadly I've missed the greatness of Space Hulk and some things are oblivious to me. Could someone explain to me the time limits of the first edition?

If Space Hulk is released I'd expect it to have a 'new' ruleset I don't know if it would be based on the older versions or a derivative of the current 40K ruleset.

Scale wise I'd expect it to be exactly the same as the current 40K one and it would be released in a boxet.

Just my 2penneth

BrookM wrote:Sadly I've missed the greatness of Space Hulk and some things are oblivious to me. Could someone explain to me the time limits of the first edition?

yeah,
There was a turn time limit for the spacemarines player turn, any action points not used within the time limit were lost and the turn switched immediately to the genestealer players turn. this ment that the gene stealer player could always finnish his actions but by playing quick gave the Spacemarine guy even less time think..

The spacemarine players time limit was 3 minutes... this dropped to 2 minutes if the captin model was killed.

For a long while there has been rumors of a return to space hulk, JJ was reported to have looked into a digital turn timer... which would be very cool, especially if it has dramatic space vessel SFX voices '1 min warning!' and alarm noises 'aWoooGa! aWoooGa!' as the time runs out! --- although a 10sec count down sounds like it might ruin yakfaces fun!

And with planet strike due this year, the timing seems right for SpaceHulk.

Panic...

When I first heard this, I was welled up with conflicting feelings. I refused to believe it to happen now. I want to learn more about the tiles, rules and miniatures before I put down a real opinion on this.

yeah,
If I ever played against you Paul I'd be double checking your jam dice... it doesn't seem to be working...

Panic...

Panic wrote:

BrookM wrote:Sadly I've missed the greatness of Space Hulk and some things are oblivious to me. Could someone explain to me the time limits of the first edition?

yeah,
There was a turn time limit for the spacemarines player turn, any action points not used within the time limit were lost and the turn switched immediately to the genestealer players turn. this ment that the gene stealer player could always finnish his actions but by playing quick gave the Spacemarine guy even less time think..

The spacemarine players time limit was 3 minutes... this dropped to 2 minutes if the captin model was killed.

For a long while there has been rumors of a return to space hulk, JJ was reported to have looked into a digital turn timer... which would be very cool, especially if it has dramatic space vessel SFX voices '1 min warning!' and alarm noises 'aWoooGa! aWoooGa!' as the time runs out! --- although a 10sec count down sounds like it might ruin yakfaces fun!

And with planet strike due this year, the timing seems right for SpaceHulk.

Panic...

So the game would come with a hour glass or something like that? Each marine turn could only last three/two minutes or did the marine player have that much time in total for planning his game?

Well if they go the plastic route with the tiles, hopefully, at the very least, they'll make 'em fit with the old ones. I know, I know, wishful thinking, but it would be awesome. You could make huge ships.

BYE

Hmmm...and I just dug out my complete set of floor tiles from the original....Lorks a Mercy! How serendipitous!

I absolutly ADORED space hulk, I used to play it all the time, even against myself honning my skills!

I missed second edition (was when I was in a dark place, having forsaken the Emporer) but first edition, even some nearly 10 years down the line is still a defining point in my gaming life.

If they DO bring it back I will be cashing in the kids kidneys to buy copy's!

Just as a "Thing" found this

http://oz.games-workshop.com/games/40k/gaming/spacehulk/terrain/default.htm

On the oz GW Site, Space hulk rules and terrain for Kill Team... entertaining...

I would buy one. Period

I would buy two if it has plastic floor tiles.

I would buy three if the rules were fun and intuitive, had a timer and plastic floor tiles.

Come on GW, make me buy three boxes!

Greets
Schepp himself

P.S. Never played the original. Sadly.

P.P.S. The floor tiles would be awesome for a gaming table. Theme could be a boarding of a space marine cruiser.

Yarr.

And with the addition of 'Genestealer' Psykers also added to the clock as long as they were alive.

Makes one wonder if this is GW testing the water? Spacehulk is something of a classic game, and of course easily supported. But could this be leading up to the redoing of other formerly Specialist type Games?

Who knows, this could even be appearing in nonhobby stores, ala Heroquest etc. Being completely stand alone (you don't need to buy anything beyond the standard box after all) this may not be a terribly far fetched idea.

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

Makes one wonder if this is GW testing the water? Spacehulk is something of a classic game, and of course easily supported. But could this be leading up to the redoing of other formerly Specialist type Games?

Who knows, this could even be appearing in nonhobby stores, ala Heroquest etc. Being completely stand alone (you don't need to buy anything beyond the standard box after all) this may not be a terribly far fetched idea.

Who knows, but if this is indeed the case, then Bloodbowl please! With extra plastic teams! And no stupid add on set!

H.B.M.C. wrote:Call me greedy, but I want them to make cardboard tiles that are compatible with the old tiles.

GW making something backwards compatible with their existing stuff? That's crazy talk!

I still have the 1st Edition box in the attic, cannibalised the minis years ago. I never even tried the 2nd edition, and felt the expansions of 1e after deathwing just weakened the elegance & balance of the whole thing.

PS. Surely Terminator box set costs won't be hurt, GW will just retail Space Hulk: The Game at $60

I believe the cardboard tiles were made available as hi-resolution scans online, so you can download them and make your own extra sections for the original game.

Flashman wrote:

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

Makes one wonder if this is GW testing the water? Spacehulk is something of a classic game, and of course easily supported. But could this be leading up to the redoing of other formerly Specialist type Games?

Who knows, this could even be appearing in nonhobby stores, ala Heroquest etc. Being completely stand alone (you don't need to buy anything beyond the standard box after all) this may not be a terribly far fetched idea.

Who knows, but if this is indeed the case, then Bloodbowl please! With extra plastic teams! And no stupid add on set!

Oh of course!

Blood Bowl is another good example of 'you could, but don't need to expand' GW games.

And also oddly, not that Nerdy to put people off. Can see it being a pleasent Beer Drinking Game even for the most dedicated of poseurs!

Yes, Blood Bowl was one of the few GW games to attract the interest of friends whose forays into wargaming normally only went as far as Risk. It's definitely a crowd pleaser.

I would imagine a game as cool as space hulk would get a full release not just an online thing.

It would be really great if they would release this as a box set with your plastic terminators and genestealers or whatever they decide the bad guys will be... and the cardboard tiles like before to keep costs down.. and then release an expansion pack with all plastic walls & floors and tiles, all fully compatible with the COD terrain. Or at least with panels the same size that lock together for making your "game bord" but easily convertable to use for COD stuff. Then you can combine all those kits together to build some really cool looking boards for space hulk or terrain for 40k

Boy, that would be the dream wouldn't it!

If they come out with plastic tiles that are compatible with the COD sets I will be buying a TON. I was really tempted to try to construct a fully modular spaceship interior for boarding action games, and if it suddenly becomes a question of buying another COD kit and 2-5 space hulk boxes, I definitely will.

Wehrkind wrote:If they come out with plastic tiles that are compatible with the COD sets I will be buying a TON. I was really tempted to try to construct a fully modular spaceship interior for boarding action games, and if it suddenly becomes a question of buying another COD kit and 2-5 space hulk boxes, I definitely will.

I would think that the floor tiles that came with the COD stuff would be perfect for a single square in space hulk, assuming they keep it 28 mm.

I'm really happy to see this one coming back. Like a lot of the other grizzled vets I've got a lot of pleasant memories of playing this game in my youth. Every opportunity I've had in the recent years (usually at cons) I've played this game again. Unfortunately they have been few and far between, but it's amazing how well this one has aged.

I also like the 1st edition rules the best, but frankly I could care less what the rules look like on release. The 1st and 2nd edition rules are available on the 'net, and the people who seem to be most keen on them already own copies. So in some ways the BEST thing that could happen would be a third set of rules, so that we could pick and chose among the best, or just go back to the edition we like the best. Remember it's your game, GW can (yet) come into your house and make you "play right".

Oh, and I'm thinking this is going to be a $70-80, just from looking at stuff like Tide of Iron, Descent, etc, and the current state of the economy.

yeah,

I look forward to seeing new missions in White dwarf!

Compatability with COD would be cool.
But If the new square/space are based on the COD tile size, it will make the standard missions in 1st ed. and 2nd ed. huge!
maybe this is where the different scale rumor is based...

---Speculation---
if the tiles are COD compatible, and made of plastic.
because of the space limit in a standard box... this could force them to scale the game towards smaller Maps...
I guess the basic Space Hulk 'starter' set will contain:

5 terminators

10 genestealers

a fair ammount of tiles

3D objective counters

With advanced missions requiring
extra troops purchases.
extra tile expansion packs purchases...

--- ---

Speculation gets me excited...

Panic...

I doubt the CAT will still be in it though, the background has changed a lot since then.

Its one I'd certainly buy if it does prove to be true. I had all the 1st edition stuff, but sold it all in the mid 90's, and never tried 2nd edition, wasn't even aware there where any rules changes.

Must admit if this came with plastic floor plans which I could then use cityfight bits and modelling to turn fully 3-D, I'd also be looking for more than a single box.

If the Termies are larger, it still wouldn't bother me, in fact depending on size they may well prove to be true scale when compared to the Guard which I'd take as a bonus.
Although I would be surprised if they did indeed turn out to be larger anyway. I don't think GW would do it for reasons already stated by others in this thread.