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Codex: Eldar Pirates, Codex: Chaos Eldar, Codex: Dark Eldar... who gives a **** what the book is called? I fully expect the fluff to be restructured and retrofitted to current 40k standards, so whatever they end up calling the race I will soon be playing will be wholly secondary to them JUST GETTING THE DAMN MODELS AND BOOK OUT ALREADY.

 
   
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Two things are old rumours: That the revised Dark Eldar focus on the Corsair aspect and that the new jetbike will be modular, seving both Eldar and Dark Eldar (just add spikes ).

To be frank, Dark Eldar have not much background apart from the "arrrrrrgh .... must get more slaaaaves to tooorture .... arrrrgh" thing. Less than 4 pages in the Codex and a short story. Even the BL novels just didn't know how to portray them apart from the "arrrrrrgh ...." thing (only C.S.Goto, who turned all Dark Eldar into Slaanesh worshippers, like Eldrad himself and the Ulthwé council leader ). So giving them a more reasonable background is necessary to fill the Codex with the today's standard of background material. And Corsairs are the obvious choice (FW uses the words Corsairs and Dark Eldar synonymous for a while). And everyone likes pirates So the new batch of rumours sound about right.

Hive Fleet Ouroboros (my Tyranid blog): http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/286852.page
The Dusk-Wraiths of Szith Morcane (my Dark Eldar blog): http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/364786.page
Kroothawk's Malifaux Blog http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/455759.page
If you want to understand the concept of the "Greater Good", read this article, and you never again call Tau commies: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilitarianism 
   
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Fateweaver wrote:As I said, Jes might want GW to keep most or all of his minis a secret until he is ready to reveal them.

If it's a personal request people should respect that. I know he was miffed about the Harlequins being leaked weeks before he wanted them to be shown so it wouldn't surprise me if he expects the same from his colleagues and fans for DE.

If that is his wish (and we'll never know unless he makes an announcement himself regarding his wishes) people should respect that wish and not get all worked up if "OMG GW WON'T SHOW US WHAT ANY NEW MINIS LOOK LIKE BECAUSE THE DESIGNER IS BEING A TOOL".



Now before I say what I'm about to say, please ignore the fact that this is about the Twilight (ducks from thrown objects) Series of books. Stephanie Meyer (the author) planned to do all 4 books from the vampire's point of view, but when the Vampire version of Twilight was half written, it was released onto the internet and spread quickly. Stephanie was appalled that people let this happen well before the book was even finished, so she stopped writing, and has completely stepped away from that stroy line. And I saw, credit to her for showing up people that can't wait to read something, even before it's finished being written.

Now I'm just as ready as the next person crazy enough to play Dark Eldar for the new stuff to come out. But I've been waiting 10 years For the Sake Of Pete! I think I can wait a few more months to know what's going on. But in the case of the harlequin release, what would we all have done if Jes had turned round and said he was going to stop all ongoing Eldar projects, leaving a load of stuff undone? Let people do things in their own sweet time, because everything is better the longer you wait for it to come out. Anticipation could make anything good, if their's enough of it.

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Oshova wrote: But in the case of the harlequin release, what would we all have done if Jes had turned round and said he was going to stop all ongoing Eldar projects, leaving a load of stuff undone?


Codex: Dark Eldar (v2) languishing on for another year?

   
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Exactly, I mean obviously there's only so much Jes would be able to do in his fury, as GW has obviously put a lot of time and money into the project so far, that they want to start making money off it. And ultimately all the work their employees does belongs to GW. But he could sure as Hell mess up their entire schedule by dropping tools, and going on strike, maybe taking a few other studio members with him. Then this would only make GW clamp down further on what info gets out of the studio before release date . . . until eventually only Studio employees will actually be able to play the games, and everyone else will only be able to speculate on . . . well . . . anything lol

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life.

Well this is interesting.


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Grand alliance death (whole alliance)

Stormcast eternals

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Oshova wrote:Exactly, I mean obviously there's only so much Jes would be able to do in his fury, as GW has obviously put a lot of time and money into the project so far, that they want to start making money off it. And ultimately all the work their employees does belongs to GW. But he could sure as Hell mess up their entire schedule by dropping tools, and going on strike, maybe taking a few other studio members with him. Then this would only make GW clamp down further on what info gets out of the studio before release date . . . until eventually only Studio employees will actually be able to play the games, and everyone else will only be able to speculate on . . . well . . . anything lol

... or drop moulds
Actually, the designers WANT to tell us about their new products, only the shampoo managers forbid it, threatening the designers with harsh measures. Up to now, the managers win and can continue the downward path in sales, customers and revenue.

Hive Fleet Ouroboros (my Tyranid blog): http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/286852.page
The Dusk-Wraiths of Szith Morcane (my Dark Eldar blog): http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/364786.page
Kroothawk's Malifaux Blog http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/455759.page
If you want to understand the concept of the "Greater Good", read this article, and you never again call Tau commies: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilitarianism 
   
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While there is some great conversation going on here, can we at least steer this thread back on track to DE rumours? I really don't feel like reading 10 more posts on what everyone thinks would be the best business model for GW.
   
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Kroothawk wrote:
Oshova wrote:Exactly, I mean obviously there's only so much Jes would be able to do in his fury, as GW has obviously put a lot of time and money into the project so far, that they want to start making money off it. And ultimately all the work their employees does belongs to GW. But he could sure as Hell mess up their entire schedule by dropping tools, and going on strike, maybe taking a few other studio members with him. Then this would only make GW clamp down further on what info gets out of the studio before release date . . . until eventually only Studio employees will actually be able to play the games, and everyone else will only be able to speculate on . . . well . . . anything lol

... or drop moulds
Actually, the designers WANT to tell us about their new products, only the shampoo managers forbid it, threatening the designers with harsh measures. Up to now, the managers win and can continue the downward path in sales, customers and revenue.


Ah fair enough. I understood it was both parties trying to not get info out.

And yeah, any more news on new models, rules, dates . . . anything?

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Well, Jes was angry when the Harlequin pics leaked the day he wanted to present them on GD, so each designer wants to have a say when it is made public. But the current restrictions are crippling the fun for designers AND customers.

In about a week we get the "incoming October" article, but Dark Eldar fans will perhaps wait another month. No pics yet.

Hive Fleet Ouroboros (my Tyranid blog): http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/286852.page
The Dusk-Wraiths of Szith Morcane (my Dark Eldar blog): http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/364786.page
Kroothawk's Malifaux Blog http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/455759.page
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If they did an incoming this Sunday or next, I expect it to be pretty lacking. Similar to the last two incoming, just a few short sentences that talk about the DE but not specifically calling them out.

 
   
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Rymafyr wrote:While there is some great conversation going on here, can we at least steer this thread back on track to DE rumours?


That's what would naturally happen if there were any other rumours.

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JOHIRA wrote:
Rymafyr wrote:While there is some great conversation going on here, can we at least steer this thread back on track to DE rumours?


That's what would naturally happen if there were any other rumours.


Then the thread needs to be closed imo.
   
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Rymafyr wrote:Then the thread needs to be closed imo.


Well, it's par for any DE thread...

   
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Moving thread to 40K General Discussions.

I'm writing a load of fiction. My latest story starts here... This is the index of all the stories...

We're not very big on official rules. Rules lead to people looking for loopholes. What's here is about it. 
   
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Another post by Eldargal, with some stuff from The Dude, Harry, and others.


Here is a summary of what I consider to be reliable Dark Eldar rumours. I'm not saying they are true, or that any other rumours are false, just that this is what I trust at the moment.

Feel free to discuss these and any other rumours to your hearts content, but keep it civil, don't spam, keep background discussions in the background forum, and please, if you want to complain about something, feel free, but do it once, and move on

Previous discussion can be found here.

Release Date

Much conjecture surrounds the release date, however the following “solid” information exists:

Harry gave us his best guess that Dark Eldar will appear in October / November 2010

At the start of April, Harry told us:


Originally Posted by Harry
Dark Eldar are coming.
Phil Kelly has completed the book.
The whole range is NOT done yet but the first wave IS done.
pricetb recently told us the following:


Originally Posted by pricetb
Since I'm not a frequent take this as you will. I friend of mine is a retail salesman for GW and was invited up to the nearest Battle Bunker to meet with his rep and such. Being part of the shop we went and got the usual speil. Isn't this model great blah, blah, blah. Now here's the interesting part, we were taken to the production floor for a look see at what the are producing? Dark Eldar. Couldn't get a great look but it was definately. Feel free to make fun of me now!
To which Harry replied:


Originally Posted by Harry
Six months out for production and global distribution .... Soooo sounds about right for November.
And for the lazy and hard of hearing (reading?), Harry again stated:


Originally Posted by Harry
They are set for release in the Autumn. (October/November) this year.
I imagine Novembers White Dwarf to be back to back Dark Eldar.
The Book is done.
First Wave plastics and metals are all done.
In May, Avian told us:


Originally Posted by Avian
I believe November is Dark Eldar for 40K.
So all up, I think it’s safe to say we’ll see Dark Eldar in November.

Rules

Harry has said here that he expects Dark Eldar to be “nasty but especially nasty for that first strike”

In mid June, Vineas reported that Yakface over at Dakka Dakka posted the following:


Originally Posted by Yakface
I have, from a very reliable source, that these rumors are a bit wrong.

The actual stats are as follows:

All poisons are 4+
Splinter Rifle 24" SX, AP5, Rapid Fire, Poisoned.
Splinter Carbine 18" SX, AP5, Assault 3, Poisoned.
Splinter Cannon 36" SX, AP5, Assault 4, or Heavy 6 Poisoned.
Spllinter Pods are an underslung weapon for the Hellions, essentially similar to the carbine.
reds8n added some weight to this, saying:


Originally Posted by reds8n
Actually I'm very inclined to believe these and mr. Yakface.
There has been some scattered talk about a “Pain Chart” which bestows effects based on the number of kills the army has done, much like Epidemius’ Tally Man rule. This has not been supported by anyone reliable as yet.

Miniatures

At the end of April, Rewison reported the following post from Waaagh_Gonads over at Dakka Dakka


Originally Posted by Waaagh_Gonads
After seeing (some) of the warriors that were assembled from the new DE warrior sprue (I did not see the bits on the sprue) last weekend and having been given the all clear to talk about them by my source:

Best start point is to use this pic as a reference.

http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.co...5501389758.jpg

The warriors are not striding forward and hunched over like they are about to tip over- legs are laid out in a wide stance and the models are much, much better proportioned than the old ones, so no more legs that go all the way up and tiny torsos.
Helmets and non helmeted heads included.
Non helmeted head has a high ponytail.
Ribs/shards of bone poke through loincloths and the ponytail.
The helmets are pretty much identical to the above pic, but with lumps/gems over the ears/temples.
From behind the helmets look exactly like eldar guardian ones.
There is a gem/soulstone on the left chest armour- not the shoulder armour piece as per the above pic.
This is where you have to use your imagination as the pic doesn't show it: On the back there is a backpack that looks like it started as an eldar backpack but does not stick out as far, has vestigal 'vanes' compared to the eldar one (so doesn't stick up above the shoulder) and most excellently down the centre of the backpack, it is recessed with scaled armour over the spine (triangular scales with points downwards)
A high collar that flanges out
Rifle is almost exactly the same as the pic for the base model, even down to the jagged bit that pokes up in front of the warriors abdomen in the pic. There is a variant with what looks to be crossbow arms sticking out laterally (ends up looking like a mini anchor)
Attachable Loincloths (variable designs) One has a skull, one a hook on them.
As per the pic, greaves over the lower legs, then knee pads and scales over the upper legs, with points upwards.
Knife scabbard, 2 'rods' and 2 small sachels on the 'utility belt' posteriorly
Blades of differing lengths and size on various armour parts, primarily lower legs and shoulder pads.
Curved knife HW available.
Attachable blades for the end of splinter rifle.
Referring to the same Artwork, Harry said:


Originally Posted by Harry
They don't look exactly like that.
That artwork was based on a sculpt done at the start of the project.
They have that 'look' ... but they evolved a bit.
And this:


Originally Posted by Harry
Dave Gallagher painted it ages ago based on some of Jes's first concept sculpts for the project.
Harry also implies here that Wyches will be plastic (which was pretty much assumed), but doesn't tell us which wave they may appear in.

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Mmm plastic wyches =p That's what I've been waiting for all this time =D

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nice summary, too late for getting shunted to general discussions though

John 3:16 For God so loved the world.
The Reborn 3000pts W/0 L/3 D/0
Kabal of the Frozen Blade 1500+pts W/6 L/10 D/1

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heres some hope shattering news. Thanks for the Incoming DE..

NOT

high elves..

Rumour providers... WRONG!
Heart.... BROKEN!!!

John 3:16 For God so loved the world.
The Reborn 3000pts W/0 L/3 D/0
Kabal of the Frozen Blade 1500+pts W/6 L/10 D/1

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Harry on Warseer said: DE more than 3 months away but less than 5, so November sounds right (as most rumours pointed at for several months).

Hive Fleet Ouroboros (my Tyranid blog): http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/286852.page
The Dusk-Wraiths of Szith Morcane (my Dark Eldar blog): http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/364786.page
Kroothawk's Malifaux Blog http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/455759.page
If you want to understand the concept of the "Greater Good", read this article, and you never again call Tau commies: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilitarianism 
   
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Da Qing, North East China

good to know, thinking November too as its the last one before Xmas that doesnt have a guaranteed product lined up.

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Kabal of the Frozen Blade 1500+pts W/6 L/10 D/1

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FacelessMage wrote:You all realise that because DE has a strong tentative release date

the DE manufacturing plant is somehow going to explode and be destroyed in a fire. Then the poor DE players will ahve to wait another 10 years for new molds to be made starting the cycle again.


A "strong release date" would be news to me - where is this published? If it's not published, it's still just rumor.


   
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I would like to see DE get some new types of units, but since GW doesn't really have anything to pull from as far as Rogue Trader Dark Eldar, it doesn't seem likely. I'm digging the poison thing and that will add a new way to play them as a whole. But I've always like Reaver jetbike armies. Maybe they'll get a IC that will let them take the jetbikes as troops?

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DE are likely to get just as many units as any other fifth edition list. Which means 25+ units not including special characters...

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Scryer in the Darkness wrote:OOH! :eek::eek::eek: Guess what I have in the latest product list!?!

:drooling-smiley-if-we-had-one:


Scryer in the Darkness wrote:*pfft* I don't bother with such piffle.


...


Right, well my eyes are now rolling with code like The Matrix, but here's the result barring any last minute additions/subtractions:

Codex
3 metal blisters
3 metal boxes
6 plastic boxes



Harry wrote:It is a MONSTER first wave.

BRING IT ON!

The 2nd wave is well on the way too ... and a 1.5 Wave is done.



 
   
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Shiny shiny stats. I look forward to rebuilding my Dark Eldar with new models. Sold my old army a few years back. That poisoned splinter based weapons is delish!
   
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When asked when 1.5 and 2.0 release will come out.

Avian wrote:January and March, I am told.

 
   
 
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