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damn, they really are dying then, last time I checked there were three.

Nids eat each other all the time, they fight each other constantly and break the losers down into biomass. This ensures only the strongest nids are surviving and to make sure they keep evolving, that much i know for sure.

What i am curious about though if it's known that all 3 tendrils follow the same hive mind? If they dont theres a good chance of a massive nid civil war once they collide. just speculation though.

I say Necrons who have greatest firepower,FTL which crossed galaxy in matter of moments and better tech.Fully mobilised Necron military is something that only Culture level civilisations or higher could destroy without trouble.

People Tyranid fighting each other rarely happens and they do regain all of their biomass anyway. What's much mor common is the IG fighting each other. Tyranid are completely unified unlike humanity which has thousands of factions.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:People Tyranid fighting each other rarely happens and they do regain all of their biomass anyway. What's much mor common is the IG fighting each other. Tyranid are completely unified unlike humanity which has thousands of factions.

Again, no. Energy is still spent and lost due to entropy in an open system.

Melissia wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:People Tyranid fighting each other rarely happens and they do regain all of their biomass anyway. What's much mor common is the IG fighting each other. Tyranid are completely unified unlike humanity which has thousands of factions.

Again, no. Energy is still spent and lost due to entropy in an open system.

Which is still 8 billion times more efficient at reclaiming resources than when all the other races fight themselves.

There are just too many Necrons for the other races to handle!

bloodaxegit wrote:There are just too many Necrons for the other races to handle!

Really? I thought there were less than a couple million.


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NeedsMoreDakka wrote:Nids eat each other all the time, they fight each other constantly and break the losers down into biomass. This ensures only the strongest nids are surviving and to make sure they keep evolving, that much i know for sure.

What i am curious about though if it's known that all 3 tendrils follow the same hive mind? If they dont theres a good chance of a massive nid civil war once they collide. just speculation though.

CHAOS NIDS????

Actually, is it too far off that the tyranids might invoke a 5th chaos god..of hunger? Then chaos wins!

Okay- looking at all the races:
Imperium- on the road to ruin
Eldar- pretty much dead already
Dark eldar- Ditto
Tau- next...
Necrons- they'll probably go into an aon-long slumber again...
Orks- probably fight with each other and die in a mad experiment/waagh or join one GIANT waagh made up of every ork and die during warp-travel or something...
Chaos- Gets eaten by 'nids or destroyed by the inquisition via exterminatus
Tyranids- Keep on devouring until they converge on the biggest astropathic signal in the galaxy- Terra- the emperor. They eat Terra, the emperor dies, opens up the warp, daemons eat 'nids.
Daemons win.

Pilau Rice wrote:

Golden Sabres wrote:You forgot eldar! They are really just faking their fall and deaths like a mouse or rat sneaking into your fridge when it's caught...

Hey, does anyone know approximately how many eldar are left?

2

Both Male. Wraith constructs don't count right?

lol your explanation of how the orks die is verry shabby. Orks dont just die out, its literally impossible what with them releasing spores all the time, and increased amounts when they die, plus orks would rather fight da umies and zeenos than their fellow boys.

That's why you use flamers.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

Melissia wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:People Tyranid fighting each other rarely happens and they do regain all of their biomass anyway. What's much mor common is the IG fighting each other. Tyranid are completely unified unlike humanity which has thousands of factions.

Again, no. Energy is still spent and lost due to entropy in an open system.

Which is still 8 billion times more efficient at reclaiming resources than when all the other races fight themselves.

Not really, because the other races are actually able to PRODUCE.

'Nids can't. They can only ever take.

Melissia wrote:
'Nids can't. They can only ever take.

Probably the worst enviromentalists I have ever seen. Bad Tyranids, Bad!

Melissia wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

Melissia wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:People Tyranid fighting each other rarely happens and they do regain all of their biomass anyway. What's much mor common is the IG fighting each other. Tyranid are completely unified unlike humanity which has thousands of factions.

Again, no. Energy is still spent and lost due to entropy in an open system.

Which is still 8 billion times more efficient at reclaiming resources than when all the other races fight themselves.

Not really, because the other races are actually able to PRODUCE.

'Nids can't. They can only ever take.

Okay. So, Tyranids take biomass, oceans, atmosphere, etc. off of a planet and do absolutely nothing with it according to you. I can understand where you're coming from. After all, they're certainly not using those resources to make more Tyranids. The surely aren't incorporating useful DNA into themselves to make a better super-predator.



I don't know what special definition of "produce" you're operating under, but Tyranids produce just as much as anyone else, and they do it far more efficiently and on an incredible scale.

The Dizzler wrote:

Melissia wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

Melissia wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:People Tyranid fighting each other rarely happens and they do regain all of their biomass anyway. What's much mor common is the IG fighting each other. Tyranid are completely unified unlike humanity which has thousands of factions.

Again, no. Energy is still spent and lost due to entropy in an open system.

Which is still 8 billion times more efficient at reclaiming resources than when all the other races fight themselves.

Not really, because the other races are actually able to PRODUCE.

'Nids can't. They can only ever take.

Okay. So, Tyranids take biomass, oceans, atmosphere, etc. off of a planet and do absolutely nothing with it according to you. I can understand where you're coming from. After all, they're certainly not using those resources to make more Tyranids. The surely aren't incorporating useful DNA into themselves to make a better super-predator.



I don't know what special definition of "produce" you're operating under, but Tyranids produce just as much as anyone else, and they do it far more efficiently and on an incredible scale.

What they are refering to is the fact that other races can actually live on a planet for almost an eternity, because they keep recycling energy. Tyranids can't. They only use it and don't replace it.

For example, an Imperial ship can remain in space almost indefinetely (excluding food and other supplies) due to it's power generators, which means it will never run out of power. Tyranid ships however, must constantly go to other planets and get more biomass, as it cannot recycle energy efficiently, they can only take it.

Melissia wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

Melissia wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:People Tyranid fighting each other rarely happens and they do regain all of their biomass anyway. What's much mor common is the IG fighting each other. Tyranid are completely unified unlike humanity which has thousands of factions.

Again, no. Energy is still spent and lost due to entropy in an open system.

Which is still 8 billion times more efficient at reclaiming resources than when all the other races fight themselves.

Not really, because the other races are actually able to PRODUCE.

'Nids can't. They can only ever take.

You're being a little closed minded. Tyranid are like every other species: they eat then reproduce. Humans (and every other race) need food to reproduce too. They are just literally millions of times less efficent at using the resources they consume.

What race is a galaxy ravaging parasite that consumes all indigenous life on worlds? HUMANS!


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Golden Sabres wrote:

The Dizzler wrote:

Melissia wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

Melissia wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:People Tyranid fighting each other rarely happens and they do regain all of their biomass anyway. What's much mor common is the IG fighting each other. Tyranid are completely unified unlike humanity which has thousands of factions.

Again, no. Energy is still spent and lost due to entropy in an open system.

Which is still 8 billion times more efficient at reclaiming resources than when all the other races fight themselves.

Not really, because the other races are actually able to PRODUCE.

'Nids can't. They can only ever take.

Okay. So, Tyranids take biomass, oceans, atmosphere, etc. off of a planet and do absolutely nothing with it according to you. I can understand where you're coming from. After all, they're certainly not using those resources to make more Tyranids. The surely aren't incorporating useful DNA into themselves to make a better super-predator.



I don't know what special definition of "produce" you're operating under, but Tyranids produce just as much as anyone else, and they do it far more efficiently and on an incredible scale.

What they are refering to is the fact that other races can actually live on a planet for almost an eternity, because they keep recycling energy. Tyranids can't. They only use it and don't replace it.

no, Hive worlds are not "independant" or self sustaining. They require a score of other worlds to supply them with everything. All planets have a finite amount of everything. While a human may strip a world by turning everything into wheat for 15,000 years a Tyranid can obtain the same elements in a day.

The only difference between The Tyranid and every other race is efficiency. More effecient by factors of literally billions.

kamikaze something or rather wrote:What race is a galaxy ravaging parasite that consumes all indigenous life on worlds? HUMANS!

Depends on the type of world, hive worlds and mining worlds sure, humanity strips them of their resources, but what about agri worlds? They replace everything on those worlds. They are "self-sustaining."

What they are refering to is the fact that other races can actually live on a planet for almost an eternity, because they keep recycling energy. Tyranids can't. They only use it and don't replace it.

no, Hive worlds are not "independant" or self sustaining. They require a score of other worlds to supply them with everything. All planets have a finite amount of everything. While a human may strip a world by turning everything into wheat for 15,000 years a Tyranid can obtain the same elements in a day.

The only difference between The Tyranid and every other race is efficiency. More effecient by factors of literally billions.

A finite amount that they keep RECYCLING, whilst tyranids do not, they just take it and send it down the drain.

Golden Sabres wrote:What race is a galaxy ravaging parasite that consumes all indigenous life on worlds? HUMANS!

Depends on the type of world, hive worlds and mining worlds sure, humanity strips them of their resources, but what about agri worlds? They replace everything on those worlds. They are "self-sustaining."

What they are refering to is the fact that other races can actually live on a planet for almost an eternity, because they keep recycling energy. Tyranids can't. They only use it and don't replace it.

no, Hive worlds are not "independant" or self sustaining. They require a score of other worlds to supply them with everything. All planets have a finite amount of everything. While a human may strip a world by turning everything into wheat for 15,000 years a Tyranid can obtain the same elements in a day.

The only difference between The Tyranid and every other race is efficiency. More effecient by factors of literally billions.

Aye Earth. But, they'll be back in a few million years. We can go without oil for that long surely.

Golden Sabres wrote:

The Dizzler wrote:Okay. So, Tyranids take biomass, oceans, atmosphere, etc. off of a planet and do absolutely nothing with it according to you. I can understand where you're coming from. After all, they're certainly not using those resources to make more Tyranids. The surely aren't incorporating useful DNA into themselves to make a better super-predator.



I don't know what special definition of "produce" you're operating under, but Tyranids produce just as much as anyone else, and they do it far more efficiently and on an incredible scale.

What they are refering to is the fact that other races can actually live on a planet for almost an eternity, because they keep recycling energy. Tyranids can't. They only use it and don't replace it.

For example, an Imperial ship can remain in space almost indefinetely (excluding food and other supplies) due to it's power generators, which means it will never run out of power. Tyranid ships however, must constantly go to other planets and get more biomass, as it cannot recycle energy efficiently, they can only take it.

Piffle, other races exploit their worlds and still require outside resources to make them livable. Imperial hive and forge worlds require huge amounts of food and raw material to keep functioning on a daily basis. The Eldar (both craftworld and dark) rely on piracy to acquire whatever materials they need. Orks impose their own ecology wherever they go and have an uncontrollable need to expand and conquer. Necrons kill everything, eat souls and go to sleep. Hell the C'Tan used to eat stars, of all things. Chaos does... unpleasant things to the worlds they take.

Tyranids may strip planets bare, but any other race would do the same if they had the ability. If anything, Tyranids have added more to the galaxy than anyone else, simply by bringing extragalactic material into this galaxy.

Actually I think the imperium will fall... but humans will rise again as the other races duke it out for the top spot! WE WILL SURVIVE! CURSE THE HERETICS AND DOUBTERS! Somehow.. Humanity will survive, even if the Imperium doesn't. Even if we ARE chaos warped.

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Asgeirr Darkwolf wrote:Imperium somehow. THEY WILL PULL THROUGH!

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HERESY! VILE XENOS SCUM! Actually, orks and nids will wipe eachother out, trying to kill everything...

@ emperors faithful: Thanks, man. We loyalists (and traitors) have to believe in something, right? I mean, I play a regenade chapter, but I still believe in humanity, if not the emperor!

Eldar are the good guys and the good guyz always win !!!

But seriously....

I would have to say Tyranids, they seem to be an unstopable infection with impecable numbers, and they dont need a planet to survive.

someone way back in the thread said that the tau wouldn't survive......... WAT.Does anyone have faith in the currently advance race of the 40k universe? i say eat railgun!!! the tau has alien alliances with other races like vespids and kroot. they would do their dirty work and we will explore for more lackeys!

SteamAlchemist wrote:someone way back in the thread said that the tau wouldn't survive......... WAT.Does anyone have faith in the currently advance race of the 40k universe? i say eat railgun!!! the tau has alien alliances with other races like vespids and kroot. they would do their dirty work and we will explore for more lackeys!

The Imperium is more advanced then the tau.


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The Dizzler wrote:
The Eldar (both craftworld and dark) rely on piracy to acquire whatever materials they need. .

You don't read much eldar fluff do you? They don't rely on piracy. The craftworlds do not need "supplies" of any kind. A craftworld is self sustaining and the only resource that they ever leave the craft world to get are waystones. The only source of which is on the crone worlds. Hell, they don't even need metals or any other substance to make their tools and buildings with. Their technology is almost exclusively psychic. They manipulate any type of matter to create things.

Nids destroying finite planets, one world at a time

True, buuuut.....
1. There is only one hive fleet that has so far actually NOT been stopped and that is leviathan (I think, I sometime mix them up). Behemoth was stopped by the Ultramarines and Orks, and Kraken was stopped by the Tau, Ultramarines (Why is it always Ultramarines going off and owning the Tyranids?) and Craftworld Iyanden.

Golden Sabres wrote:

The Dizzler wrote: The Eldar (both craftworld and dark) rely on piracy to acquire whatever materials they need. .

You don't read much eldar fluff do you? They don't rely on piracy. The craftworlds do not need "supplies" of any kind. A craftworld is self sustaining and the only resource that they ever leave the craft world to get are waystones. The only source of which is on the crone worlds. Hell, they don't even need metals or any other substance to make their tools and buildings with. Their technology is almost exclusively psychic. They manipulate any type of matter to create things.

Right, all those slave raids by Dark Eldar aren't to get souls so Slaanesh doesn't eat them. And craftworld Eldar Corsairs just raid the ships and fleets of other races, putting precious ships and lives at risk just to be space elf jerks. Somehow I don't buy it. Face it, they're prates because they need to be, not just because they like be space elf jerks.

Golden Sabres wrote:True, buuuut.....
1. There is only one hive fleet that has so far actually NOT been stopped and that is leviathan (I think, I sometime mix them up). Behemoth was stopped by the Ultramarines and Orks, and Kraken was stopped by the Tau, Ultramarines (Why is it always Ultramarines going off and owning the Tyranids?) and Craftworld Iyanden.

Wat.

Behemoth was stopped by the Ultramarines and with the sacrifice of a nearby sector fleet. Kraken was stopped at Ichar IV with a one-time-only virus weapon by the Imperium and at Iyanden with the sacrifice of their entire defense fleet and 80% of their population. Leviathan was lured into Ork territory where they stalemated until the 5th codex shows that they won after all.

Looks like I'm not the only one that needs to brush up on fluff, eh?

The Dizzler wrote:

Golden Sabres wrote:

The Dizzler wrote: The Eldar (both craftworld and dark) rely on piracy to acquire whatever materials they need. .

You don't read much eldar fluff do you? They don't rely on piracy. The craftworlds do not need "supplies" of any kind. A craftworld is self sustaining and the only resource that they ever leave the craft world to get are waystones. The only source of which is on the crone worlds. Hell, they don't even need metals or any other substance to make their tools and buildings with. Their technology is almost exclusively psychic. They manipulate any type of matter to create things.

Right, all those slave raids by Dark Eldar aren't to get souls so Slaanesh doesn't eat them. And craftworld Eldar Corsairs just raid the ships and fleets of other races, putting precious ships and lives at risk just to be space elf jerks. Somehow I don't buy it. Face it, they're prates because they need to be, not just because they like be space elf jerks.

Looks like I'm not the only one that needs to brush up on fluff, eh?

1. Eldar Craftworld Corsairs don't exist, they are an entirerly different faction like the exodite. Whilse yes, they need supplies, Craftworld Eldar don't (excluding waystones).

2. Yeah... I only have the 4th ed codex... and hve only recently started reading the 5th ed.

3. You are still ignoring the fact that the Craftworlds are a self replenishing reservoir of power. That is from the codex itself.

And, which page is the leviathan victory on?

Golden Sabres wrote:
1. Eldar Craftworld Corsairs don't exist, they are an entirerly different faction like the exodite. Whilse yes, they need supplies, Craftworld Eldar don't (excluding waystones).

While a seperate faction they often either originate from craftworlds or work in conjunction with them. However, the Dizzler is wrong to assume that they sieze the goods of other races in order to supply the Craftworlds. Craftworlds are pretty sustainable.

And, which page is the leviathan victory on?

Leviathan Victory?