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Croggy wrote:I am however getting very annoyed with the amount of posts that are being opened just so someone can post a link to their blog.

This. It's friggin' obnoxious. Post your blog link in your sig, or at the end of a WIP thread.

Don't just open a new topic, post a link to a blog and then end it.

Also, the "podcasts" threads are getting to the level of spam in my personal opinion.
Again, same advice as with the blogs... just make a single thread/topic, make a post about what you're doing, explain it a bit, link to where your podcast can be found...and then update it as necessary, with a link to the podcast in your sig.

I think Redbeard's post really had a lot more focus than what I was saying. The Patton quote and the bar/soapbox analogy rings very true to me.

For the record, I still think dakka is a great place and I have fun posting here. I just wouldnt turn anyone but the lowliest and most clueless noob in this direction for games help....any serious help is severely in danger of getting lost in the gaggle of squawking geeses!

Barroom indeed. 'specially with all the drunken posting that goes on around here, Frazz, Dash, myself...*hic*

Wheres the drunken ork emoticon?

Deadshane1 wrote:Wheres the drunken ork emoticon?

If nothing else comes from this thread...

Please. Please someone make a drunken Orkmoticon.

Monster Rain wrote:

Deadshane1 wrote:Wheres the drunken ork emoticon?

If nothing else comes from this thread...

Please. Please someone make a drunken Orkmoticon.

and thirded

Monster Rain wrote:

Deadshane1 wrote:Wheres the drunken ork emoticon?

If nothing else comes from this thread...

Please. Please someone make a drunken Orkmoticon.

1."Is dakkadakka going down hill?" question posed

2.Drunken Ork emoticon created

3.Problem fix'd

4.World Peace and chocolate for everyone.

Deadshane1 wrote:Unfortunatly, I think dakka now caters to these people that refuse to improve in their game. The list/tactics section of dakka (which used to be my favorite long long ago) would be a much more serious place with personalities like Stelek, Mauleed, Gwar, and many others who have offended people over the years given free reign to "lay it down" unfortunatly, people get frustrated. Now we've got an overmoderated board where saying "that idea is friggin stupid" will get you a warning. Now read that quotation....read it...is it REALLY that bad? You'll get a warning for it.

Considering you started a thread on here not too long ago bitching at Stelek and others for saying mean things about people's armies I find this hilarious. Still, not the first example of blatant hypocrisy from you.

Deadshane1 wrote:I was reading one attendee's list breakdown of opponents this morning on a site, and the peanut gallery that responded to the post had nothing to say about the opponents but things like...."Was he drunk when he made that list?" "Those armies are full of fail" "f&*kinc stupid" ect, you get the idea. How nice.

...and dont even get me started on all the greif leveled at GW for these missions that "Werent thought out in the least.", "totally unfair", or "the most slowed missions I've ever seen, do they even play this game?" (key word there is GAME).

At the risk of sounding like some Casual Gaming Mafioso, these guys have REALLY lost sight of what this game is all about. I'm actually one of the more competetive gamers out there mentally, and even I find myself wincing at these comments I see everywhere. My first reaction is to feel like I want to pit my toughest list on the board and tell these guys to "nut up or shut up", then after a little thought I just shake my head at these "experts".

People SERIOUSLY need to calm down. If someone feilds 10 firedragons in a waveserpent at Ard Boys, that doesnt make him a slow, it simply means that he wanted to use 10 firedragons. Nothing more, nothing less. I suspect that whoever wrote the 3rd mission for Ard Boys knows "just a little" about 40k. He probably actually plays it too. However, some of the people out there that really hate the missions this year would probably tell you otherwise in their infinate wisdom.

Hey guys...GAME...you see, thats the word. Noones life is dependant on the rules for mission three. No families are going to go hungry because so-and-so thinks vanguard vets are the coolest thing ever so "why not bring 3 full squads?" Can we calm down and let people have FUN with the GAME? PLEASE?

Scott-S6 wrote:

Deadshane1 wrote:Unfortunatly, I think dakka now caters to these people that refuse to improve in their game. The list/tactics section of dakka (which used to be my favorite long long ago) would be a much more serious place with personalities like Stelek, Mauleed, Gwar, and many others who have offended people over the years given free reign to "lay it down" unfortunatly, people get frustrated. Now we've got an overmoderated board where saying "that idea is friggin stupid" will get you a warning. Now read that quotation....read it...is it REALLY that bad? You'll get a warning for it.

Considering you started a thread on here not too long ago bitching at Stelek and others for saying mean things about people's armies I find this hilarious. Still, not the first example of blatant hypocrisy from you.

Man, we were almost all getting along again.

Now now, boys.

Remember this forum is still moderated, just about.

Deadshane1 wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:

Deadshane1 wrote:Wheres the drunken ork emoticon?

If nothing else comes from this thread...

Please. Please someone make a drunken Orkmoticon.

1."Is dakkadakka going down hill?" question posed

2.Drunken Ork emoticon created

3.Problem fix'd

4.World Peace and chocolate for everyone.

And rum. Don't forget rum.

That goes without saying, Fraz.

Whats the chances?
People on a board that should be on fire, and they are remaining calm and talking like actual people.

I say we have a thread like this every now and then for people to get along lol.


Ork emoticon - Ill also agree on this one.

Maybe as a side from a thread like this we can build more emoticons?

Deadshane1 wrote:1."Is dakkadakka going down hill?" question posed

2.Drunken Ork emoticon created

3.Problem fix'd

4.World Peace and chocolate for everyone.

Hey, the facepalm orkmoticon happened! Someone start a thread in nuts and bolts and see if some 'shop guru can hack a drunken orkmoticon... I'm thinking some combination of this one: (opening mouth) and an animated beer bottle

Nurglitch wrote:JohnHwangDD:

Why in Noden's name would you nominate Gwar for any kind of moderator position?

It's about *serious* Tactics, right? And for the purpose of the position, Tactics is what matters, not social acumen.

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Nurglitch wrote:JohnHwangDD:

Why in Noden's name would you nominate Gwar for any kind of moderator position?

It's about *serious* Tactics, right? And for the purpose of the position, Tactics is what matters, not social acumen.

yeah but the guy aint got a clue about tactics he just knows how to spot a missing comma and zero in on the fact to alter the meaning of rules

and you have to be able to communicate with a mod aand gwar has the communication skills of a piece of bog wood

Reecius wrote:Yes. Some of the good stuff is still good.
...
Dakka is a lot nicer of a place now, for which there is something to be said, but it is also so much less useful in those regards than it used to be.

That though, is only this one man's opinion of course.

+ 1

2 men's opinion

(Voted about the same)

There's no denying that Dakka has changed over the years. When was it that Dakka was mentioned as shark infested waters, or something to that effect, in WD? Now we have Yak and Gonads getting sneak peaks 6 months in advance...

I have no idea what people are looking for as incentive to post good content. Isn't knowing you've added to the community good enough? I remember HBMC's CSM review. I don't think he expected anything from it other than to get a good discussion going and the knowledge that he wrote a funny (and correct) review.

I will say that the articles section is a complete mess. I'd like to see some basic rules for that section and all of its garbage flushed to the depths of the internet.

I've had a problem with that section for a while so I'm going to see what I can do about it. May I suggest users taking issue with Dakka's content, or lack of, help out by contributing more content? Saying you don't contribute good content because there's no good content seems counter productive to me.

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Frazzled wrote:-Mayhaps some sort of like/dislike button (help me on the purpose again)

-A Tactics Mod or guru (be careful what you wish for on that one.)

The Like/Dislike button is to encourage popularity contests, but without auto-hide, it's not really useful. I still think it becomes a game.

I nominate DoP and Gwar! as joint Tactics Mods. Tactics are only valid if *both* agree.

That's not the point of having a tactics moderator. Tactics doesn't need someone to decide what is or isn't a valid tactic, simply to index the discussions so that future posters can quickly find them on a sticky post - so that the SAME threads don't have to keep being recreated over and over and over. That, and enforcing standards of posting in the tactics section, such that reading the title of a thread will give information about what is contained within the post.

Thread titles. You hit another pet peeve of mine. Perhaps a Title Mod?

Well, from 2005 to 2008 I ghosted the site and in late 2008 I became a member. So based on those experiences:

News and Rumors: No change. Basically repeats what others see on Warseer or BOLS. I still go there regularly though as it is a good place to find compilations. I think that GW more recent policy of putting the cabosh on leaks has negatively impacted this forum.

P&M: Best part of the website IMO. I think that this is greate as far as a resource and guide goes. I know I have learned a lot due to the contributions of regular posters like Grey Death and LB. The Dakka Gallery I feel has been a great tool in allowing people to readily share information as well as to search tags. As far as Polonius statement, I kinda disagree. Noteably because I see several threads that wrack up high post counts for which the artist doesn't possess Demon quality paint skills but instead has a original idea (X-Men) or paint scheme (relictors). I think it has more to do with whether your thread generates interest (concept, paint skill, conversion skill, ect.). Finally, unlike tournement big-wigs, some of the best painters in our hobby do contribute regularly to these forums.

P&M Bloggs: See above

P&M Tutorials: See above

Warhammer 40K:

Lists: Saddly, our heavy hitters (tourney winners) here on Dakka don't seam to contribute to this thread very often. I don't think allowing posters to be caustic will encourage veteran players to participate in this forum/quite the opposite really.

Tactics: Same as above.

Battle Reports: Some of the 40K tournement regulars like Red Beard and Dash of Pepper post on this forum. So if you want some advice on lists and tactics, you can probabaly eak some knowledge out of these. Still feel like a lot of Tourney goers don't contrubute; for instance, Madison, WI has quite a few really good players, but only "Norbu the Destroyer" contributes to this forum.

YMDC: I would say that this another more usefull section of Dakka, especially now that its regular posters have learned to apply (some) more tact in answering quiries. Still room for improvement. I disagree vehemently with Reecus that we should encourage a "Jerry Springer" environment. I have no problem with a poster being "firm" with thier answer, but being insulting or abusive usually just drives others to embrace thier position that much more.

OT: After reading a couple dozen threads when I first joined, I now avoid this forum like herpes. See my comment on YMDC.

wyomingfox wrote:I know I have learned a lot due to the contributions of regular posters like Grey Death and LB.

Why, I'm flattered

@Gamble
You are right, of course. But when you post good content and legions of bad content overrides the good stuff, it gets buried and it feels pointless. Add to this the fact that if you disagree with people and they get upset and call in the Mod Squad, things go nowhere. And that isn't a cut at the MODS's you guys are doing your jobs.

I just think that in certain areas of Dakka, the rules should be a little different. Post clearly what people should expect.

For example. In the tactics and lists area here are my suggestions:

Rules for titling a thread: Include pertinent information such as army, points value, name of tactic (if relevant) and most importantly: COMPETITIVE or FLUFF.

That way posters know right away what type of advice the OP is looking for. If he is a fluff oriented player looking for fluff oriented tactics or list building advice, the tournament players won't enter the discussion and vice versa. That will avoid a lot of the problems right there.

Also, as in YMDC, have a sticky telling people how to have an intelligent tactics discussion. Use FACTS backed by math and direct experience to argue a point, not OPINIONS. Let people know if they don't back their assertions, they will get called out on it. This makes us all BETTER, even if it seems rude at first. This doesn't mean everyone can be a dick, but it does mean pointing out a gakky idea for what it is won't get you moderated.

Also, let people know that in YMDC, Lists and Tactics, that arguments may get heated. Let people know that they can argue their point passionately and that is OK!! Don't take things personally, it is just the net for crying out loud.


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@Wyomingfox

I hate Jerry Springer!!#$!%#$

That isn't what i meant. What I meant is holding people accountable for what they post. If that means you have to get a little bit of vinegar, then so be it. I don't advocate being mean for meanness sake. I refer to the way things were when I came to Dakka. Tactics and List advice was rock solid because silly ideas were scorned. Did people get their feelings hurt? Yes, if they were thin skinned. But was the information useful? Absolutely.

If the price of quality is a tough environment, then I gladly accept that.

Like I said, I don't advocate being mean for no reason, but people should be held to a standard of intelligent posting.

Deadshane1 wrote:It's so hard to teach people how to play "good" 40k. Sometimes I think that they simply dont even WANT to learn.

That can be true, and for those people I certainly understand why you guys would ignore them. But that doesn't explain why we are not seeing threads started by the master tacticians themselves on why they developed thier lists or how to counter them.

Now we've got an overmoderated board where saying "that idea is friggin stupid" will get you a warning. Now read that quotation....read it...is it REALLY that bad? You'll get a warning for it.

Because the statement you posted has no knowledge or explanation behind it. You are not teaching or instructing anything with that kind of statement, so how would a statement like that encourage or help people to change thier behaviour. Be firm when giving answers and provide adequate explanations and you will have a much better time instructing newbies.

Interesting that the summary and most of the discussions have centred around 40k so far as I can tell

I get a whole different vibe on WHFB and Skirmish forums.
Whether this will remain the same with the IoB release remains to be seen. Maybe a lot have already dropped the box in hot pursuit of Dark Eldar!

But they appear to me to be a lot friendlier and prove that people can disagree without name calling or rudeness.
There are several people who are absolute gems who contribute a lot to this site but just go about it without fuss.
They provide a good place to be for the rest of us that go there.

I can appreciate the feeling. Thing is, there was never any incentive to post good content. It just happened. Why, many years later, do some feel the need to be compensated, in any way, for posting good content? I'll leave this issue alone now.

On another note, I 100% agree with your "Title fix". The trade forum has clear rules on how to title a thread and why. Instead of country of origin (UK/ USA), Fluff/ Competative would go a long way to fixing some issues. Good idea.

Gwar! has contributed enough in YMDC , and countless have benefit it from him.
There is no contest to who else more suitable.
Also , despite numerous members that display blatant trolling and animosity ,
Gwar! has held patience with MULTIPLE threads at a time , and only lose patience at around page 11.

Think about it , Gwar! been rude? 6 threads going x 11 pages ( the amount when hes accused of been rude ). If thats not patience i dont know what is.

Animosity aside , even the haters must agree hes rather impressive.

Also , i dont feel there need to be heavier mods , it wont change anything but drive members away especially ones that should have been on "long vacation" and still havnt.
Why? because , what we need is consistency and fairness. Which itself leads to balance , respect , and control.

Quite frankly I am astonished at some of the posts here.
Maybe it is an age thing - don't know and frankly don't care.

The First rule is very clear.
Be Polite!
Golden Rule taught at most schools as far as I know and transcends Christianity so don't start a religious/atheist debate here
Treat others how you expect to be treated.
If you like being harried and railed at that is not an invitation to do the same to others.

I cannot believe the total lack of respect that some people are showing in order to justify their rudeness.

Rant mode: OFF
GOM mode: OFF
Bedtime Horlicks malty drink: ON
Comfy Slippers: ON
and relax...

Redbeard wrote:I think what Deadshane is saying is true. People with interesting things to say have moved on to blogs, because they can be prima donnas (read as donkey-caves) on their own blog and no one can call them on it.

I find that to be a sad state of affairs, really. On one hand, you get a more polite site by removing those elements, but maybe there's something to what Patton said. If I want to push my theory of gaming and put down anyone who disagrees with it, why do that on a site where I get slapped for doing so, when I can just set up a blog and get followers.

That may be true of some, but I have met several in the Madison area who are really good players and were honestly put off of Dakka's earlier years due to Posters like Stelek who were in general needlessly rude.

Gamble:

It's not a need to be compensated, it's a need to feel like we're not just pissing into the wind. It's one thing to write a careful and considered answer to someone's thread topic, and it's another thing to have that answer disappear under two metric tons of spam, trolling, flames, and snark. It would be nice to have someone reply in kind, and in fact more than just someone, but several people.

Nurglitch wrote:Gamble:

It's not a need to be compensated, it's a need to feel like we're not just pissing into the wind. It's one thing to write a careful and considered answer to someone's thread topic, and it's another thing to have that answer disappear under two metric tons of spam, trolling, flames, and snark. It would be nice to have someone reply in kind, and in fact more than just someone, but several people.

Pretty much this. I put time and thought into my posts, and as often as not get zero replies.

wyomingfox wrote:

Lists: Saddly, our heavy hitters (tourney winners) here on Dakka don't seam to contribute to this thread very often. I don't think allowing posters to be caustic will encourage veteran players to participate in this forum/quite the opposite really.

Tactics: Same as above.

Battle Reports: Some of the 40K tournement regulars like Red Beard and Dash of Pepper post on this forum. So if you want some advice on lists and tactics, you can probabaly eak some knowledge out of these. Still feel like a lot of Tourney goers don't contrubute; for instance, Madison, WI has quite a few really good players, but only "Norbu the Destroyer" contributes to this forum.

*WHY* don't the heavy hitters contribute in Army Lists? There was a time when 50% of the posts in Army lists were Ork lists, and the "last posted by" was Dashofpepper. I have....4,000 posts on Dakka? 2,000 of them at least were made in Army lists. This kind of bulls*it is why I don't post there anymore. Most of the serious tournament players around the country know each other - and we each have different reasons for not posting there - but the best theme that could explain it is that the units you take are less important than how you use them and what your playstyle calls for - and the exploration of those things require extensive questioning of the OP if they don't know how to naturally express these things. There are dozens and hundreds of people who are willing to chime in and give bad advice. A thread titled "Should I use Lootas or more boyz in my list?" will invariably result in a bunch of people professing their opinion on the matter when in truth - all of them are worthless because no one asked HOW the OP uses their list, or what theme they're after, or what their playstyle calls for. The effort to both garner the information required to offer a useful opinion while also having your thoughts heard above the voluminous garbage of advice being thrown around is singularly responsible for most of us not posting there.

I used to write BOOKS of advice in Army lists. I see Ork threads all the time where people reference or link something I previously wrote, or give a nod in my direction. You know WHY I have a signature? I got tired of my advice being scoffed at. "Who are you to give advice?" "Your opinion isn't any better than anyone elses!" I used to track my "friendly games" records on there as well, and got tired of people accusing me of making up my win/loss ratio. Always from fekking Dakka trolls who themselves contribute nothing to Dakka except to find those who *do* contribute and try tearing down their work. I put my record into my signature so that when I gave advice, it would lend credence to my words so that I wouldn't have to explain myself over and over, and walk through the same tired scenarios of why my advice was worth listening to - but that it would rather be "Here's my thoughts. I fekking own at this game. Choose to listen or not." Some people listen and appreciate. Others take offense that I dare declare myself an above-average gamer.

I don't post there anymore because even with all my efforts, and trying to create articles and themes for people to follow, and adaptations for playstyles.....the trolling, the noise ratio, the ridiculousness of what people endure when they try providing useful material to Dakkaites is absurd.


Tactics? Same thing. You can read plenty of first hand accounts of article authors that don't write anymore because the garbage just overflows useful information, and there's no control over it.

Batreps? After I abandoned my gargantuan efforts in bringing useful content to Army Lists, I decided to do batreps instead. Intense, insightful, analysis of how I play, how my opponents play, the thought processes I use to get where I'm going in a game.....and these got bogged down with the same stupid bullcrap. I'm not sure I've EVER written a batrep - FLGS tourney, major RTT, fething GT or otherwise where someone didn't show up in the thread and say, "Jeez, too bad you didn't face any decent opponents; if you'd had to face a real opponent, you would have been toast." Seriously - as if I've been in 60-70 major tournament games and every one of my opponents stinks - that's obviously the only reason I won. That, or the batrep devolves into drama, usually something that belongs in YMDC. It got so ridiculous that I decided not to write batreps anymore either - the flak that I took and the trouble I had to endure to try bringing something of value to this website were not worth the effort.

And here we have moderators telling us "If you don't like Dakka, GTFO and start a blog." Are you guys SERIOUS? Driving away the people who bring the content that DRAW users to Dakka is not the solution. Over the last couple years I have worked my ASS off to try bringing content to Dakka, to help its users, to shine light through the darkness, and my monstrous efforts have been shat upon. This thread and the multitude of other threads that have popped up since I started the the "Save Dakka Thread" are the only avenue I can really still think of to try bringing something useful to Dakka. I know that *MY* efforts to bring content have been drowned by the garbage that proliferates through Dakka like a used playboy in a prison block. Since I can't bring content because of the S:N ratio, the only contribution that I can really think of that I could bring would be to help start screening the noise.

I don't care who, but someone needs to do it.