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I've been playing as Pants for alittle while, but I'm not doing too well..

One thing that I've noticed is playing aggresively at the begining of the game is a REALLY bad idea. Honestly I rarely even get a kill prior to level 10 and only then if my opponent is monumentally stupid.


Mobility is THE most important part of the game (other than teamwork). I generally go with Ghost and the move 5 OOC boots, but can't make a choice on my second spell being Teleport or Heal.

Teleport I mostly use midgame to grab up huge wads of minions for gold/xp, and Heal is always useful. I haven't had more than 3 deaths in a game (other than using a totally new hero) for the last 2 days.

Try Exhaust or Flash they're both good for mobility as well. Although I'm not sure what level you are so you might not have flash yet.

Level 14. Flash is good, the only problem is that it cancels your orders for movement and you have to reclick after using it.

Alistar is the worst hero ever. I cannot for the life of me figure out how to be anything other than a very very small speedbump for the DPS machines.

The cool thing about it is that it can also cancel attacks from the enemy. I find it best used for jumping a long wall when escaping. Alistar basically has his knockups to let your DPS get the kill a little easier. With his heal as well he seems more like a support tank to me.

n0t_u wrote:The cool thing about it is that it can also cancel attacks from the enemy. I find it best used for jumping a long wall when escaping. Alistar basically has his knockups to let your DPS get the kill a little easier. With his heal as well he seems more like a support tank to me.

He's just a POS honestly. I've tried several different builds with him, and he is less durable than Sion with a health build. I won't even go into how useless an AP build is. Also his damage buff vs towers is pretty weak considering the passive abilities that some hero's get.

Honestly, he's the best example of game imbalance that I've found.

I also found the game much more enjoyable at low summoner levels where folks were more disorganized and focused on 1:1 fights instead of the 2+:1 that are the norm at mid level.

Peter Wiggin wrote:

n0t_u wrote:The cool thing about it is that it can also cancel attacks from the enemy. I find it best used for jumping a long wall when escaping. Alistar basically has his knockups to let your DPS get the kill a little easier. With his heal as well he seems more like a support tank to me.

He's just a POS honestly. I've tried several different builds with him, and he is less durable than Sion with a health build. I won't even go into how useless an AP build is. Also his damage buff vs towers is pretty weak considering the passive abilities that some hero's get.

Honestly, he's the best example of game imbalance that I've found.

I also found the game much more enjoyable at low summoner levels where folks were more disorganized and focused on 1:1 fights instead of the 2+:1 that are the norm at mid level.

Every champion has their place, even alistair. He is great for laning because he will keep the minions alive with his aoe heal. He also has a simple but effective early game move in his knockup+headbutt backwords into your tower, it works nearly every time, similar to blitzcrank's rocketgrab +knockup by tower trick. Try playing as MF or Nunu, or anyone else who channels their spells, and you will see where alistair dominates. Nothing is more irritating than an alistair sitting on his headbutt so he can knock MF out of her game changing ult.

Some champions will be terrible in certain situations, they arent all good at doing everything, that is where imbalances happen. If everyone does everything well, then some of them have to be better than others at doing the same things, or else every champion would be the exact same character.


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you just have to get used to the fact that he doesnt really do any damage. All he does is interrupt and draw fire. Try baiting a team with him, pop his ult at half health or something. They will have wasted their Cooldowns and spells and everything else trying to stop him from running away, then your team jumps on them.

Also, not that his ult gives him alot of damage, combine it with his passive, and he will easily deal out 200+damage a swing to a tower while taking zero damage.

I dont like playing as alistair, but he is far from a bad champion.

I've really enjoyed Sivir with the move 5 OOC boots and then focusing on straight attack damage. dps is lower, but the burst from a haste/boomerang combo is utterly ridiculous if you buy the right items.

She is stupidly gear dependant.

QQ I just finished a match with a Karthus that actually watched the minimap and had a 850 point ulty nuke during endgame. I only had 1800 health....it sucked.

Do you grab a Phantom Dancer?

n0t_u wrote:Do you grab a Phantom Dancer?

I have been, but I'm about to try move3 boots and nothing but INfinity Edge. Its a total support build because you are made of paper, but my average scores usually look like 9/4/20 give or take 3-4 in either direction on each number. Basically I bounce around the board and show up when my team needs support....pop haste on everyone and let them do the kill while I clear out the minions for gold. Rinse and repeat.


This is because if I play intelligently I NEVER meet an enemy without having my Haste up. Crits and attack damage benefit more from haste than more haste does. 10 years of raiding in EQ to WoW.

I always use the m3 boots they're pretty cool. I guess maybe try Boots of Swiftness, Manamune, Infinity Edge, two Phantom Dancers and a Blood Thirster and see how it goes.

It's generally the build I use with Ashe and it seems to go decently.

Jesus, just finished a game that lasted over an hour and had a Twitch on the opposite team with 29/7/19. It was ridiculous.

You guys managed to kill him 7 times in an hour? Impressive, he must've sucked with Twitch.

We even tried using Oracles to hunt him....and he could still kill any one of us in less than 5 seconds with sheer dps.

You were doing it correctly then, Oracle happens to be the best way to fight stealth characters. If you can it's also good to drop the purple ward in key areas as well (both red buffs, both blue buffs, dragon and baron).

Just don't forget that the tower also reveals them. I've seen players throw wards in the areas between towers (the outer most and the enemy's outer most) and that seems to work alright as well. The problem with wards is that if you over do them you actually put yourself at a disadvantage, but too few and you might as well not bother.

Oracles get expensive too....their team had 73 kills to our 49 at the end of the match.


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http://leaguecraft.com/strategies/guide/7402-sivir-unfortunately-underrated-and-underused.xhtml

Holy crap this is full of win.

Manamune is my new favorite item.

Twitch should die in every team fight. He is soft as hell, and has no escape mechanic. The second he pops his ult and starts shooting, get him with an exhaust and go after him, he wont be able to stop you. Twitch is very good if they have tanks that can hold you in place and prevent you from getting to him. However, some champs can get to him very easily and nuke him down even easier, like corki or akali. In those situations, he needs to be very careful because he has no way of defending against those champs, especially corki, since he has a blind aoe nuke.

Wow, ok so this new build makes Sivir uttelry ridiculous. Game length 1:23:46. My team 98 kills, their team 45. My stats 25/7/33 with some ridiculous number of minions and 7 buildings.

I could also melee down their tanks for most of the game.

The game win came down to no inhibitors on either side for 15 minutes, and all the teams dead except me and one other guy. I teleported into the base after a push (minions) and killed both towers, got the base to 30% before he killed me after hearthing. Then he did the same gak and killed our base with 4 seconds left on the rezz clock for our next up hero. You do NOT get PVP like that in WoW anymore. It reminds me of the glory days in WSG.

Manamune is usually crap but a few champs want it and if they get it it's godly.

FUUUUUU

I was playing a game yesterday as Vlad, and I forget most of my other team but there was a Kog.

15 mins into the game, I'm defending mid, and I look at the mini map and no one on my team is actually doing anything. So I figure, "Ohh, maybe they're all just healing at once" so I go back (being on 50 hp from the 5v1 assault near the tower, thanks to pool) and everyones just standing there. I heal fully, buy about 1.5k in stuff (I think spirit visage) and my team were still there. So I'm like "wtf?"

It turns out that bot wasn't doing well, so everyone else on my team decided that we had lost, so were all afk. (score was 12-18 at that point btw). Kog started helping alittle, but we were still steam rolled 2v5.

Everyone reported them right?

I don't know what everyone else did, but I reported everyone on my team except Kog and myself.

Get over it son, it happens. It is a game, and if people dont feel like playing. You cant blame them for not being in the mood of playing.


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Also, manamune can be very good on some champs, particularly physical damage dealers that rely heavily on mana. They used to pick up a chalice of harmony to regen mana, now they can get an item that gives a good amount of attack damage, tons of max mana, and good mana regen. Most champs with no mana gear with gain between 60 and 70 atk damage from manamune, that is very respectable.

n0t_u wrote:Everyone reported them right?

No, I usually just focus on practicing my tactical maneuvers in a game that we'll obviously lose. My chosen hero is highly dependent on having a semi-competent team that can do organized pushes.

Besides, who cares if you waste a half hour with AFK team mates. You get IP, and more xp/gold than you would normally.

The absolute biggest differences I've noticed in game play come from centering the camera and mostly watching your minimap and READING A LEAGUE CRAFT GUIDE.


That crazy ass hour and a half game with almost 100 team kills was a 4(us)v5(them). Its totally possible to have a fun game even if its imbalanced.


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Sweet jesus, I just single handedly made an entire team ragequit. 3rd surrender today......Sivir is incredible played correctly!

KingKodo wrote:Get over it son, it happens. It is a game, and if people dont feel like playing. You cant blame them for not being in the mood of playing.

Actually you can. It's considered very bad manners to join such an intensive team-oriented game and then just stop playing halfway through. Now if it had been one person leaving because something happened IRL that's understandable, but even then if they knew it was coming they shouldn't have started a game in the first place. This is especially a problem in LoL because there's no queue of new people who can jump in if you quit ala WoW, and even one person leaving can break your team's chance of winning. This is even worse if the game isn't in Custom because it then goes on your record permanently as a loss, which is a measure of how good you are at the game in the eyes of other players.

I'm convinced that reading up ion a good build and some guides makes a WORLD of difference. Plus now that I'm up at level 17 the PVP is really really good. YOu run into the occasional Korean farm team, but oh well.....like I said. Reminds me of old school WoW PVP. Back when it was actually fun.

Best free game ever.

This is my WAAC game, now I can feel nice and fluffy with 40k.

KingKodo wrote:Get over it son, it happens. It is a game, and if people dont feel like playing. You cant blame them for not being in the mood of playing.

I can blame them if they are playing the game.

'sides, excessive amounts of time spent afk is a bannable offense. It's one of the default reasons for reporting. It's under abusive language and above other

Ok, so I'm seriously considering using Sivir for ranked matches. Does anyone have advice on this? Is it like WoW where ranked PVP is pointless under max summoner level? Would love some perspective from pro players.


Laning tactics perfected! Haven't died during laning for the last 12 games. No more than 6 deaths in any game, and that was from a MASSIVELY fed Yi. Noob ass Yi. Stoopid noob ass Yi. Only noobs use Yi.

feth Yi. Noob. Ugh.


Edit: The really incredible thing about Sivir is that you do NOT need to get kills to become semi-fed. Its ALL about constantly gaining gold from killing....if you aren't killing, you should be healing or moving towards the next minion kill. Snipe kills midgame with boomerang harrass....she's AMAZING at pressuring. Plus the noobs run like hell from you.


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5 man push endgame is incredible. +90% attack speed +25% movement speed for every hero in range is a game winner.

I sense much Yi-hate from you my padawan... You must learn to release your anger and become one with the Wuju...

Why do you hate Yi so much, they're sooo tasty. (I do play Vlad too much, still looking for another champ :( )


[EDIT]Actually, I might try out Yi, being on free champ rotation, and being a melee champ..