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MasterDRD wrote:I sense much Yi-hate from you my padawan... You must learn to release your anger and become one with the Wuju...

Because he's a total noobshit character. Seems like every match Yi uses the same build....I mean the obvious counter is to not feed him, but baddies are bad.

Well you're entitled to your (wrong) opinion but Yi wins games, and he doesn't need to be fed to do it either.

MasterDRD wrote:Well you're entitled to your (wrong) opinion but Yi wins games, and he doesn't need to be fed to do it either.

Oh I'm sure there are some amazing Yi players...and there are also a lot of noobs that play him due to easy kill farming. <shrug>

I definitely like a hero that can be a game changer without getting fed....or more accurately can get fed without needing to get kills. GO MINIONS!

He's saying what we were too polite to point out.

He's the n00b champ, the king of n00bs, the n00b savior, but he's still pretty damn cool. But I hate versing chain stun teams more.

That guide you linked before is actually making me consider trying out Sivir again, brought her a fair while ago (about level 7ish, I've been 30 for a while now), but capped internet sucks very much >_>

The actual definition of 'fed' is exactly that though, killing players. Killing minions is technically called farming.
Sorry, anal moment there...

Meh it's all having a significant level and financial advantage over the other players anyway.

n0t_u wrote:He's saying what we were too polite to point out.

He's the n00b champ, the king of n00bs, the n00b savior, but he's still pretty damn cool. But I hate versing chain stun teams more.

That guide you linked before is actually making me consider trying out Sivir again, brought her a fair while ago (about level 7ish, I've been 30 for a while now), but capped internet sucks very much >_>

The Sivir build is amazing. Once you get a Manamune the farming is ON. I'm gonna try buying magic pots instead of health in a few minutes so's to have more ability to harrass during early laning.

The ability to wipe out a wave of minions with 1 click is so amazing...you can decide when and where your minions will break through, hit people through walls with boomerang, spellsheild Karthus Ulty for mana (and its always nice to TELL him that in /all!), etc. She really does have the tools needed to be a crazy good teamfighter and harrass....but not good at solo kills vs non noobs.

Noobs are nom nom though. Boomerange hitting for 600 by level 10 is hardcore mid game.

But n00bs are always that. When I was level 28 my level 6 friends invited me to a game. Basically a support Sona should not be able to gank top, then go help mid gank, then gank bot before returning to help top take out a tower at level 10 without stopping at the fountain.

Also I don't know if you've came across it yet, but solo mid Lux is pretty funny. She's a pretty crappy champ (unfortunately I found out after a half rune page, too much optimism on my part >_> ) but if she solos mid and uses the passive she can hit hard early one. One thing to remember is that her peak for this is only level 6. Pretty disappointing, basically she seems like she's just there for the ult and it doesn't even hit that hard.

The problem I have with yi is that late game, he becomes a backdoor character only. He is sooooo easy to counter. most tanks can counter him, rammus, fiddle, galio, shen, malz, vlad, the list just goes on and on and on. Many of those are also top tier characters that you see in 99% of games, which means yi is being countered in 99% of games = /. At that point, he is useless in team fights and his only purpose is to backdoor the towers, which also means your team is going to lose every team fight.

If he gets fed early game, he can carry the entire game because he can alpha strike down lower level champs easily, and smash towers in seconds. I have seen a fed yi dominate a team battle, then proceed to smash the entire lane and the nexus before the enemy team could respawn :O

There are much better melee carries that fulfill the same roles as Yi and then some, and fulfill those roles better, such as olaf. Olaf has an AOE slow, yi has no crowd control at all. Olaf will attack faster than Yi when his health gets lower. Olaf will always hit harder than yi, even with less +atk damage gear, leach more health even with less life leaching gear. Olaf can also do something Yi cannot, kill tanks, it is actually dangerous for a tank to taunt olaf because he has so much armor penetration, whereas yi has none without gear. On top of that, olaf's ult does what Yi's used to do, make him completely immune to crowd control effects, except Olaf's also gives him armor penetration AND damage reduction.

In conclusion, yi is good at some things, but other champs do it better. A fed yi will win a game, but you have to assume all the champs will play equal when discussing them. I like Yi, but I think he needs to be patched to be really competitive at higher skill levels.

n0t_u wrote:
Also I don't know if you've came across it yet, but solo mid Lux is pretty funny. She's a pretty crappy champ (unfortunately I found out after a half rune page, too much optimism on my part >_> ) but if she solos mid and uses the passive she can hit hard early one. One thing to remember is that her peak for this is only level 6. Pretty disappointing, basically she seems like she's just there for the ult and it doesn't even hit that hard.

Is that the archer girl with the laser beam ulty? I usually step down/up/right/left 1 square when she fires set auto attack, que up boomerang, and they type lolololol in /all as the minions die and gold flows!

Or I can just hit spellsheild and gain 150 mana from it. That works better.
Seriously, ultimates with a "you are about to get ownt" graphic are only good for killing folks that can't pay attention to the screen. You know what those are.......

Then again Banshee's Veil + spellsheild = 2 abilities soaked. Its very very nice.

Oh hey, I didn't even know this thread was here!

I play Teemo, Blitzcrank, and Heimerdinger. I'm level 13 now. I put 10 dollars into the game so I could get blitz and I'm waiting for a costume to go on sale now. I figured I would help out the company after playing to level 11 for free.

My in game name is shumabot.


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Peter Wiggin wrote:

n0t_u wrote:
Also I don't know if you've came across it yet, but solo mid Lux is pretty funny. She's a pretty crappy champ (unfortunately I found out after a half rune page, too much optimism on my part >_> ) but if she solos mid and uses the passive she can hit hard early one. One thing to remember is that her peak for this is only level 6. Pretty disappointing, basically she seems like she's just there for the ult and it doesn't even hit that hard.

Is that the archer girl with the laser beam ulty? I usually step down/up/right/left 1 square when she fires set auto attack, que up boomerang, and they type lolololol in /all as the minions die and gold flows!

It's harder with a good lux as they'll shoot you when you're off screen and don't know its coming. It has no maximum range so they can technically snipe you after you teleport to base if the team is coordinated enough. one of our playgroup is level 30 and mains lux, he's a killing machine with her.

Actually Shuma it does have a maximum range. The aiming marker looks the same as Ashe's but the end is fixed. It fires a decent range but it's not across the map like Ashe.

To give an idea of the range I can stand at the top of the bottom lane, but in the middle, in the Twisted Treeline and shoot straight up, it will reach the bushes of the top lane but not go past them. Unless they changed it since I played as her.

Ashe = Archer with the infinite ranged giant ice arrow.
Lux = The light person with the giant laser and crappy shield boomerang (seriously 300ish AP and it does 100ish for 3 secs, whichever comes first, at 18 that's like a single Ignite tick).

ShumaGorath wrote:Oh hey, I didn't even know this thread was here!

I play Teemo, Blitzcrank, and Heimerdinger. I'm level 13 now. I put 10 dollars into the game so I could get blitz and I'm waiting for a costume to go on sale now. I figured I would help out the company after playing to level 11 for free.

My in game name is shumabot.


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Peter Wiggin wrote:

n0t_u wrote:
Also I don't know if you've came across it yet, but solo mid Lux is pretty funny. She's a pretty crappy champ (unfortunately I found out after a half rune page, too much optimism on my part >_> ) but if she solos mid and uses the passive she can hit hard early one. One thing to remember is that her peak for this is only level 6. Pretty disappointing, basically she seems like she's just there for the ult and it doesn't even hit that hard.

Is that the archer girl with the laser beam ulty? I usually step down/up/right/left 1 square when she fires set auto attack, que up boomerang, and they type lolololol in /all as the minions die and gold flows!

It's harder with a good lux as they'll shoot you when you're off screen and don't know its coming. It has no maximum range so they can technically snipe you after you teleport to base if the team is coordinated enough. one of our playgroup is level 30 and mains lux, he's a killing machine with her.

Actually, her ult does have a max range, it is roughly half the map, not like Ashe's ult.

Also, Lux is a very good champion, but she is very difficult (possibly the most difficult) champ to master. All of her abilities are skillshots. Lets compare her skills to other champions.

Her shield appears to be one of the weakest in the game, absorbing a measely 300~ damage with AP. However, it has the ability to shield the target twice thus, with some decent timing and a little luck, you can shield over 600 damage. Combine this with the fact that it can shield every ally including herself twice, and you easily have the most powerful shield effect in the game, although the most difficult to use. Lux's shield really shines in team fights where you are fight champions like amumu, nunu, or ghalio, who pin your team in place.
Compared to janna's single target, short range shield, Lux's is far dominant in team battles, while janna's is superior for solo/laning.

Lux's snare is also very good. It is exactly the same in every way to morgana's snare, except that it can hit two targets. This is the primary issue with morgana, she needs to land her snare or she wont do any damage to her target, since they will simply walk/flash out of her other spells. The main problem is that a champ who you are laning against will always expect the snare, and just hide behind their minions. Since Lux's snare hits two targets, you can hit the screening minion and still snare the hiding champion, similar to Miss fortune's ricochet ability, although not as easy to use.

Lux's aoe slow/nuke may be her best ability, it is like gragas's exploding barrel...except that it slows everything that is in the aoe and then slows everything that gets hit by the explosion for a couple seconds. This combined with the fact that it reveals the AOE area (thus it can reveal bushes and cloud of war) makes it AMAZING. Excellent ability for farming as well, as the slow effect with "gather" the minions and clump them up, allowing you to hit an entire creep wave with one shot.

Her passive is sort of blah late game, except when combined with her ult. Since she is a support caster, you never want to be too close, so you will seldom get an auto swing off to proc the passive late game.

Lux's ult is awesome. It can hit halfway across the map, and it hits HARD. 500+.85AP = and easy 900 damage with some good late game gear, more even, if you stack it enough. The key with it is to wait until their team commits to the team fight, or get snared by your amumu/nunu/shen/ghalio etc etc etc. Once they go in for the kill, chuck your aoe slow, pop it, then immediately lazer beam. What alot of people dont realize is that the lazer procs her passive, so by dropping her aoe slow, you not only ensure that more enemies will get hit by her ult, but you immediatly add 190 damage to it. This will bring it over 1000dmg with decent ap gear. It also refreshes her passive. The best part is the CD however, 40 seconds stock. That means you can easily drop it to 20 with the golem buff.

Now, the worst part of support casters is that they are generally squishy, and Lux is no exception. She, however, is very different in that, all of her spells can hit while she is off screen. Yes, they have That much range, esp her ult and AOE slow. I have saved so many lives with that slow, enemy team chasing your wounded ally? chuck your slow in front of your ally and leave it there, their team has to run around it (taking longer and giving your ally some extra distance) or run through it and get slowed again saving your ally. I find that they usually just give up when I throw it and go kill some minions elsewhere. Since her spells are so long range, she rarely gets into trouble, and even then, she has double crowdcontrol effects and can shield her allies and herself simultaneously.

I tend to target squishy characters with her, such as MF, twitch, yi, ezreal, as you can easily neutralize these characters with her two hit combo that will put out ~1600dmg easily.


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n0t_u wrote:Actually Shuma it does have a maximum range. The aiming marker looks the same as Ashe's but the end is fixed. It fires a decent range but it's not across the map like Ashe.

To give an idea of the range I can stand at the top of the bottom lane, but in the middle, in the Twisted Treeline and shoot straight up, it will reach the bushes of the top lane but not go past them. Unless they changed it since I played as her.

Ashe = Archer with the infinite ranged giant ice arrow.
Lux = The light person with the giant laser and crappy shield boomerang (seriously 300ish AP and it does 100ish for 3 secs, whichever comes first, at 18 that's like a single Ignite tick).

With 500 AP, it will shield 325 damage on each pass. Remember, it shields twice.

ShumaGorath wrote:Oh hey, I didn't even know this thread was here!

I play Teemo, Blitzcrank, and Heimerdinger. I'm level 13 now. I put 10 dollars into the game so I could get blitz and I'm waiting for a costume to go on sale now. I figured I would help out the company after playing to level 11 for free.

My in game name is shumabot.


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Peter Wiggin wrote:

n0t_u wrote:
Also I don't know if you've came across it yet, but solo mid Lux is pretty funny. She's a pretty crappy champ (unfortunately I found out after a half rune page, too much optimism on my part >_> ) but if she solos mid and uses the passive she can hit hard early one. One thing to remember is that her peak for this is only level 6. Pretty disappointing, basically she seems like she's just there for the ult and it doesn't even hit that hard.

Is that the archer girl with the laser beam ulty? I usually step down/up/right/left 1 square when she fires set auto attack, que up boomerang, and they type lolololol in /all as the minions die and gold flows!

It's harder with a good lux as they'll shoot you when you're off screen and don't know its coming. It has no maximum range so they can technically snipe you after you teleport to base if the team is coordinated enough. one of our playgroup is level 30 and mains lux, he's a killing machine with her.

Yeah, well I'm still at level 18 so meh.


Shumabot added....I figure I can either kill him for arguing with me on the forums, or watch him do something to piss the other guys off. Either way....good game times.

I've also noticed that matches where I time my spellsheilds properly I am really awesome....if not then bleh. Sivir also seems HIGHLY dependant on having a team that will stay commited to a long term harrassment oriented fight...IE I die every time I get focused and my team won't help. Shocking I know!

Example...spellsheilding 2 abilities during a teamfight by running up past the battle line, and scaring them to pop ults. Doesn't work against an organized team though...and there seem to be more and more of those the higher level I get.

Actually, her ult does have a max range, it is roughly half the map, not like Ashe's ult.

Oh, its only half the map. My bad! I've never actually seen it run out of range, but I suppose that when that laser barely missed me on the pad they were firing it from just past midpoint.

So what do you guys think about ranked matches at 20?

ShumaGorath wrote:

Actually, her ult does have a max range, it is roughly half the map, not like Ashe's ult.

Oh, its only half the map. My bad! I've never actually seen it run out of range, but I suppose that when that laser barely missed me on the pad they were firing it from just past midpoint.

Nah, they patched it shorter it seems. It is more like 1/4ish, something like that. Good range and it will catch people off guard.

Peter Wiggin wrote:So what do you guys think about ranked matches at 20?

I'm guessing you'd be putting yourself at a disadvantage, as most would wait til lvl 30.

But I haven't even tried one yet, and I'm lvl 30, so I don't know. Try it?

Hmm, so I bought one of the point cards at Best Buy. 10 bucks for 1300 points doesn't seem like a great deal considering a skin is 975.


Still...not many skinned Sivir's out there.

I want to get a card, but I'm not sure they sell them here..

Going to have to actually go to 7/11 for the first time in two years...

Also, I just noticed how similar our pictures are...

Drk_Oblitr8r wrote:I want to get a card, but I'm not sure they sell them here..

Going to have to actually go to 7/11 for the first time in two years...

Also, I just noticed how similar our pictures are...

Yeah, they are. I'm the hot one, you are the scary one.

Peter Wiggin wrote:Hmm, so I bought one of the point cards at Best Buy. 10 bucks for 1300 points doesn't seem like a great deal considering a skin is 975.


Still...not many skinned Sivir's out there.

Just remember that you just payed 10 dollars on a game that you were already playing. Computer games average fifty dollars.

ShumaGorath wrote:

Peter Wiggin wrote:Hmm, so I bought one of the point cards at Best Buy. 10 bucks for 1300 points doesn't seem like a great deal considering a skin is 975.


Still...not many skinned Sivir's out there.

Just remember that you just payed 10 dollars on a game that you were already playing. Computer games average fifty dollars.

Yup. Honestly.....I'm considering buying another card and getting the Hextech Sion skin. Its so biomechanical....which I have a thing for sorta.


PS Shuma got to see me nub it up and be overly aggressive. lol

There's nothing wrong with being overly aggressive if it gets you kills I guess.

I might add some of you once I uncap and can actually play again.
Though I did kind of stop in a pretty bad losing streak >_>

n0t_u wrote:There's nothing wrong with being overly aggressive if it gets you kills I guess.

I might add some of you once I uncap and can actually play again.
Though I did kind of stop in a pretty bad losing streak >_>

Well, Sivir doesn't have enough punch to press a ranged kill midgame unless you snipe with boomerang....which is sneaky and fun, but risky since you probably won't have your core build completed. Even one death makes a huge difference. Most of the time I completely focus on not dying, then rape people up the ass late game. Which requires patience and restraint....not always my strong points.

It also helps to have a competant team when playing a team oriented support character, but its always fun and I don't really care about win/lose in non ranked.


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Idea for 5's comp based on mobility and tactical control.

~ = maybe
* = for sure

*Singed (throw, poison trail, tower dive)
~Heal/Ghost

*Sivir (haste > baron's buff many times)
*Flash/teleport

*Heimer (insane at tactics and base D)
*Flash/teleport

~Twist (free teleport)
*Flash/teleport

~Gargas (more tactical control)
~Heal/teleport

Happy to explain any questions on the why's and how's. Also would love C&C as I really don't know all the hero's. This is just an off the cuff comp.

You should probably throw a tank with better dps CC then singed in, singed is a great complement to a heavy dps team because of his single target CCs but this team lacks a real damager for big confrontations. I would toss in Nunu or even replace twisted fate with fiddlesticks or karthus. You generally want at least one big aoe dps ulti on a team to make sure that team fights go your way quickly.

Maybe even Amumu or Olaf for the tank. Olaf for the increased DPS and CC. Amumu is good for initiating team fights.

Or even Shen to use that strategy that showed up in a tournament. TF warps to backdoor a tower, Shen warps to him and they take out a tower and retreat before the enemy reacts.

Nunu is awesome with Blitz by the way.

Maybe even Amumu or Olaf for the tank. Olaf for the increased DPS and CC. Amumu is good for initiating team fights.

Amumu is best as a force multiplier, if you can run in and use curse of the sad mummy to root people and follow that up with Nunus absolute Zero and Fiddlesticks' crowstorm or Kenans AOE ult (don't remember the name) you can decisively win large tea fights in a matter of seconds. Without that force to multiply Amumu is somewhat lackluster as a tank.

Nunu is awesome with Blitz by the way.

Blitz is a great tank for multiplying force or holding turrets due to the rocket grab. On more then one occasion I've rocket grabbed people back into crowstorms after power fisting others to make sure they stayed. With the right build he can also solo push turrets startlingly fast and chase down virtually any escaping champ (at 18 with boots of swiftness he averages 490 speed).

ShumaGorath wrote:You should probably throw a tank with better dps CC then singed in, singed is a great complement to a heavy dps team because of his single target CCs but this team lacks a real damager for big confrontations. I would toss in Nunu or even replace twisted fate with fiddlesticks or karthus. You generally want at least one big aoe dps ulti on a team to make sure that team fights go your way quickly.

I put singed in specifically for teamfighting. The entire team is designed to work together, not solo. Groups of 2+ other than the initial lane phase. Mostly 5 man brutal mid pushes over and over.

Singed with ghost running around hasted with poison trail. Just a crazy idea.


Mumu is an amazing idea. Not sure what spells compliment him though? Replacing Gargas with Mumu due to teamfight synergy.


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*Singed (throw, poison trail, tower dive)
~Heal/Ghost

*Sivir (tactical control and amazing team buff)
*Flash/teleport

*Heimer (insane at tactics and base D)
*Flash/teleport

~Twist (free teleport)
*Flash/teleport

~The Mummy (more tactical control)
~Heal/teleport

Got the Mummy and the Emumu skin. Hehe.

http://leaguecraft.com/strategies/guide/1657-burning-heart-amumu-tank.xhtml


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BWUAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!

http://leaguecraft.com/strategies/guide/6894-garen-cry-me-an-ocean.xhtml

Hello everybody my name is Andrey.
You may remember me from the most awesome Evelynn guide, and as you might noticed I have a Garen avatar.
You know why?
Because he looks FREAKIN' AWESOME. I mean Garen is the most badass looking champion in LoL.
-Great hairstyle
-Intimidating look
-SCARF!!!
-Awesome sword without bs (rings, strange form etc.)
-The best taunt in the game!

But lately, there are not a lot of Garens in the game. You know why? Because everybody build him WRONG!!! They copy the spotlight video, go critical bs derp derp, then they lose and say "nah, this hero sucks" YOU SUCK!!!

I mean, why in the love of god, gak and feth you want to build him critical? It's not a Trynd or Tristana.
"'cause his judgment can trigger crit, derpderp" Wrong, dude. You judgment already deals a gak ton of damage. And making it more strong is like putting a grenade on a nuclear bomb.

Ok, so I want to present you my Garen guide. The right way.

Try:

Amumu

Miss fortune

Ghalio

Garen

Annie.

Amumu would jungle, MF and Annie would solo, garen and ghalio would lane. You get two of the best solos who have massive aoe damage output. Combine it with the well rounded garen who is great at everything - single target, tank, and aoe. Mix it together with two of the best teamfighting ults in the game.

Have Amumu initiate with his bandaid, then ult. MF/garen/annie move in and start dropping their AOE. Ghalio drops his ult after amumu's to ensure the enemy team stays in the kill zone. Nothing will survive this. You get two great tanks and a great mix of AP and AD damage output, mixed with good CC, good carries (garen/MF) and amazing nukes (mf/annie/ghalio). Garen can execute whatever manages to survive.


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I know shen is good, but I dont like that he has no damage output except his once-every-ten-seconds passive thing. I would rather have ghalio since he has a better teamfighting ult, and he can nuke at range without having to stack any AP. He is like a magic resist version of malphite.