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Redemption wrote:

lucasbuffalo wrote:Not if hammerhand is still around.

Ah, yes, good catch.

But you can't hide Hammerhand in a unit right? Which is why I'm not so excited about the DK having it (Well, his movement is better than a standard Dread). I just like the idea of hiding it in a unit.

Therion wrote:

Insta death to any non-Nurgle Daemon Prince...in the game

Why non-Nurgle? Nurgle Prince isn't a psyker or a Daemon? It's still a force weapon in addition to having a high strength, so will instant death everything in the game, regardless of toughness, as long as the target is a psyker or a Daemon. If the target isn't a psyker or a Daemon, T5 or less targets of all kinds still suffer instant death.

I don't believe it's a Force Weapon...or maybe I'm confused. I thought it was a normal TH----with Str. 10 and the ability to ignore EW on Psys/Daemons. If so, that means you need double toughness to ID---which means Nurgle Princes are still safe being T6 (and guess I was wrong about Meph too).

I don't believe it's a Force Weapon...or maybe I'm confused. I thought it was a normal TH----with Str. 10 and the ability to ignore EW on Psys/Daemons. If so, that means you need double toughness to ID---which means Nurgle Princes are still safe being T6 (and guess I was wrong about Meph too).

Well, my information is that all of the close combat weapons are Nemesis weapons. Nemesis Force Weapons, Nemesis Force Halberds, Nemesis Doomfists, etc. Currently I have no doubt that they all retain their 'Nemesis' status (force weapons) while having other additional rules.

Would've been fun if the standard Nemesis Force Weapon 'perk' of +1 to invulnerable saves applied to all Nemesis weapons as standard. DK's would have a 3+ invulnerable save in close combat then. Before you say that would've been overpowered, the alternative is the classic Warhammer 'hand weapon and shield' problem meaning that you lose a real bonus when you upgrade your weapon to something else like the Halberd for quite a few points, making the so called upgrade overcosted and largely ignored. I'm not saying that's the case here because I haven't seen the book. Just speculating.

Therion wrote:

I don't believe it's a Force Weapon...or maybe I'm confused. I thought it was a normal TH----with Str. 10 and the ability to ignore EW on Psys/Daemons. If so, that means you need double toughness to ID---which means Nurgle Princes are still safe being T6 (and guess I was wrong about Meph too).

Well, my information is that all of the close combat weapons are Nemesis weapons. Nemesis Force Weapons, Nemesis Force Halberds, Nemesis Doomfists, etc. Currently I have no doubt that they all retain their 'Nemesis' status (force weapons) while having other additional rules.

Ahh, well if it still retains it's "Force Weapon" status while being a TH...then yeah that item freaking rocks then. Hide it inside a Paladin unit and it will still handle/doom;

Bloodcrushers
Daemon Princes of any flavor
Meph


S10 would be nice against TWC and the like...but still a damn good item.

Hide it inside a Paladin unit and it will still handle/doom;

Why Paladins? The guy on Warseer said:

all nemesis weapons have daemonbane which basically ignores eternal warrior for daemons and psykers

That means that Dreadknights with personal teleporters, Nemesis Doomfists and dual Heavy Incinerators are quite the close combat monsters, swinging their S10 fists and dealing instant death to pretty much everything in the game except Wolf Lords with Bear and a couple of non-psyker non-daemon special characters.

Oh, no doubt a DK is still good...hell I'll be running 3 with scouting hopefully.

The reason I like the idea of hiding it inside a unit is;

Paladins will be scoring in my army, which means they'll need to be dealt with.
It will be a uniquely allocated unit to maximize their 2 wound potential, hence why not take it as a differentiation.
It scares many units away that might normally try to deal with the unit

AgeOfEgos wrote:S10 would be nice against TWC and the like...but still a damn good item.

As has been mentioned, if you cast Hammerhand, you gain one extra Strength, which then gets doubled to S10. All non-vehicle Grey Knights can cast Hammerhand.

Well, no, according to the 40k rulebook you multiply THEN add. So S4, doubled plus one for hammerhand would be. 4*2=8. 8+1=9 Final Strength: 9
pg 7, BRB

ChrisWWII wrote:Well, no, according to the 40k rulebook you multiply THEN add. So S4, doubled plus one for hammerhand would be. 4*2=8. 8+1=9 Final Strength: 9
pg 7, BRB

Right, I'm assuming it will follow those conventions (such as Furious Charge making Nobz Str. 9 PK, etc). Guess it depends on the wording, good thing the codex is always clear on such matters

ChrisWWII wrote:Well, no, according to the 40k rulebook you multiply THEN add. So S4, doubled plus one for hammerhand would be. 4*2=8. 8+1=9 Final Strength: 9
pg 7, BRB

Aye, but unless they've changed it in the final version, the rules for Hammerhand state you add before you multiply, and codex overrules the BRB. They even specifically mention the Daemonhammer.

Ahh, I wasn't aware of tha tlittle stipulation. Ah well, don't mind me.

Redemption wrote:

ChrisWWII wrote:Well, no, according to the 40k rulebook you multiply THEN add. So S4, doubled plus one for hammerhand would be. 4*2=8. 8+1=9 Final Strength: 9
pg 7, BRB

Aye, but unless they've changed it in the final version, the rules for Hammerhand state you add before you multiply, and codex overrules the BRB. They even specifically mention the Daemonhammer.

That's a good piece of info to know...then yes, death to all the T5 baddies running around out there, including anything Daemonic.

GW alluded to GK today in the Whats New Today post.

At the bottom, he mentions there were too many daemons for the IG or SM, but that "If you have a Daemon problem, if no one else can help, and if you can find them, maybe you can enlist..." and the message ends, courtesy of the Inquisition. Seems like an obvious prelude to a GK announcement.

In today's 'What's new Today?':

Actually, there's quite a lot of Daemons in today's post, let's hope there's not some kind of infestation about to occur, there's nothing worse than Daemons appearing all over the place. Come to think of it, I had noticed the nasty tang of ozone in the air and little arcs of lightning sparking off all the electrical equipment. Quick, call in the Imperial Guard, call in the Space Marines. No, wait, even they can't handle this many daemons! If you have a Daemon problem, if no one else can help, and if you can find them, maybe you can enlist...

+++Communication terminated, pending investigation by the Inquisition+++

Hmm, I wonder what's tomorrow? Maybe Grey Knights? :p

Edit: Ninja'd!

Therion wrote:

Insta death to any non-Nurgle Daemon Prince...in the game

Why non-Nurgle? Nurgle Prince isn't a psyker or a Daemon? It's still a force weapon in addition to having a high strength, so will instant death everything in the game, regardless of toughness, as long as the target is a psyker or a Daemon. If the target isn't a psyker or a Daemon, T5 or less targets of all kinds still suffer instant death. The only targets that don't suffer instant death from S10 daemonbane Nemesis weapons are models of any toughness who have eternal warrior and are not Daemons or psykers (Wolf Lords with Saga of Bear, Sanguinor, Abaddon IIRC, etc).

Would Abaddon be at risk due to the Mark Of Tzeentch, or does that not make him a Psyker? (I'll admit it, I didn't buy the latest version of C: SM!)

Redemption wrote:In today's 'What's new Today?':

Actually, there's quite a lot of Daemons in today's post, let's hope there's not some kind of infestation about to occur, there's nothing worse than Daemons appearing all over the place. Come to think of it, I had noticed the nasty tang of ozone in the air and little arcs of lightning sparking off all the electrical equipment. Quick, call in the Imperial Guard, call in the Space Marines. No, wait, even they can't handle this many daemons! If you have a Daemon problem, if no one else can help, and if you can find them, maybe you can enlist...

+++Communication terminated, pending investigation by the Inquisition+++

Hmm, I wonder what's tomorrow? Maybe Grey Knights? :p

Edit: Ninja'd!

If you look at the base of the converted NL DP there appears to be a a GK wonder if it is one of the nice plastic ones.....

Alpharius wrote:
Would Abaddon be at risk due to the Mark Of Tzeentch, or does that not make him a Psyker? (I'll admit it, I didn't buy the latest version of C: SM!)

The Mark doesn't make you a psyker just improves your invulnerable save 1.

Alpharius wrote:Would Abaddon be at risk due to the Mark Of Tzeentch, or does that not make him a Psyker? (I'll admit it, I didn't buy the latest version of C: SM!)

No, I think he's safe, the mark only confers an invulnerable save.

Holycrusader27 wrote:If you look at the base of the converted NL DP there appears to be a a GK wonder if it is one of the nice plastic ones.....

The post mentions it's a converted Space Marine Casualty.

Reading over the What's New Today page, apparently skulls are some form of currency to Converters?

I must be converting incorrectly, I never use skulls in mine.

From heresy online:

The First wave has been confirmed!

Grey Knight Codex Softback – £17.50 RRP

Grey Knights Boxed 5 man Set -£20.50 RRp

Can be built as;

* A Grey Knight Squad
* Interceptor Squad (Can teleport 30″ once per game)
* Purgation Squad (Heavy Support can have psy-cannons, psilencer or incenerators. Have psyk-out grenades and can fire at targets the can not see due to Astral Aim.
* Purifier Squad (Elite Squad with 2 attacks and the cleansing flame psychic attack)

The Grey Knight Nemesis Dreadknight – £33 RRP

Grey Knight Terminators / Paladins – £27.70

(Paladins are two wounded ws5 terminators with apothecaries)

Lord Kaldor Draigo – £13.80 RRP

(HQ choice that makes Paladins troops and grants D3 universal special rules)

Castellan Crowe – £10.25

(Makes Purifier Squads Troops)

Jokaero Weaponsmith – £7.70 RRP

An awesome space monkey!

cover: http://www.heresy-online.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=11636&d=1299607814

Regards,

Sanjay

5 man box set? That is something I appear to be having trouble conveying my displeasure over in a manner that is both adult, suitable for the forum and intelligent !

Holycrusader27 wrote:
so much edited this will not make any sense.

Pithy and worthy comment originally here, alas it makes no sense now.

I lol'd at work. damn you.

Alpharius wrote:(I'll admit it, I didn't buy the latest version of C: SM!)

Admissions like that make Tzeentch cry.

If the same set of Terminators has bitz for customizing as "regular" or "paladin" hopefully the Black Box does contain two sets so stores can build one squad of each version for display. When the all plastic Demolisher kit was about to be released Black Boxes had two in them so stores could build more than one version. I hope the prices aren't too scary in US dollars for all this Grey Kniggit goodness.

If the Terminators are as good as they're rumoured to be: I will not hesitate to buy them and coopt them for my DA Successor force. Screw the dogfaces, I'll get me some nice knightly Terminators!

[Mod Edit - Please don't use that word as a descriptive.] because id be more willing to spend more if they were 10 man boxes like SW but they gotta be [And DEFINITELY don't use that word] about it.....

Platuan4th wrote:

Holycrusader27 wrote:5 man box set? etc etc etc quote]

How exactly is it [Mod Edit - No.]?

I think he meant he was "happy". Happy that GK are his last army. He finally found a box set that he truly likes.

Yay! I was hesitant to believe with the approach of April Fools but a picture of the Codex art and preorders from heresy is reason enough to pop the champagne! First release I have been excited about in a while... go go preorder!

Lord Scythican wrote:

Platuan4th wrote:

Holycrusader27 wrote:5 man box set? ....

How exactly is it [Mod Edit - No.]?

I think he meant he was "happy". Happy that GK are his last army. He finally found a box set that he truly likes.

Oh good. Hope he's happy on my Ignore list, too.

So a homophobic anti-semite. You sir are going places...

BladeWalker wrote:Yay! I was hesitant to believe with the approach of April Fools but a picture of the Codex art and preorders from heresy is reason enough to pop the champagne! First release I have been excited about in a while... go go preorder!

Why would anyone be hesitant to believe? GW formally announced that Grey Knights were the April release many weeks ago. Did people think GW was going to interrupt their cash flow for a whole month by not having a major release in April as some kind of joke? That is not even slightly plausible. This thread has almost as many debunked myths and fallacies in it now as a full season of Mythbusters.