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The fact that only the Blood Raven's arm their dreadnoughts with 2 dreadnought close combat weapons.

Blud Angels disagree with you.

So do Ironclads

Ahh but a Chainfist is not entirely a dreadnought close combat weapon, niether is a siesmic hammer, and niether are blood talons.

But Blood Fists are DCCW

iproxtaco wrote:
Generally Eldar DO control the side of themselves that created Slannesh. The Eldar Paths? Every Eldar bar the pirates have controlled their excessiveness side to some degree, even The Exodites. Yes I agree to an extent. The Eldar believe they should be the ones to rule the galaxy and that they are superior, but they would befriend races like The Interex because they see them as sophisticated and moral, and more like the Eldar than the Imperium.

Yes, the Imperium IS heavy handed with its own people. You're talking about a very specific group that is a very small minority, and even then the Imperium don't treat the matter delicately. Every world has to round up their psykers, so they can be taken to Terra for various purposes that could end up being mercilessly sacrificed to The Emperor. The Black Ships that do this job are described as horrible places that only those of steely resolve can endure a trip on. Any rouge psykers are killed, large syndicates end up having half the innocent population killed, and worlds fallen under the sway of a rouge psyker or if a psyker has opened the Warp is scoured of taint killing a large amount of the population, or Exterminatus is carried out to kill a few corrupt.

I never said the Eldar were a moral species, you made that up. I said they are more moral than the Imperium. They can tolerate civilized Xenos, they won't destroy entire systems to find a few traitors, but yes, they would gladly bring the Imperium to its knees and destroy it to bring about the return of The Eldar Empire. Explain this point about Human Psykers, that sentence is nigh impossible to understand.

The Eldar look down on all races for being inferior while they are superior due to them being oldest and created as perfect by the Old ones- this is what Eldar believe. They say that they should rule the galaxy and its not because of them being better at rulership. They ruled the entire galaxy for millions of years during the eons of the Eldar empire, an empire that fell and other races took its place. The Eldar want the return of the empire so they can be safe and all-powerful again, a cause which craftworld Biel-tan champions. Biel-tan, are among the most overzealous and xenocidal of their kind: their one dream is to rebuild the ancient Eldar empire, using the dead bones of everything that stands in their way as foundation, a lot like the Imperium . Nice fellows indeed[sarcasm!].

You want some a small snippet of what happens to psykers who don't get picked up by the Black Ships -

Enslaver Plagues. Deaathwatch Corel Rulebook pg 316 wrote:
"Call them what you will-Krell, Psyrens or Ensalvers. Just one witch, unsanctioned, caused the destruction of Hive Skorpios when one of those things used her brain as a gateway to this world. Within three days the entire hive's population was reduced to drooling,, mind slaves. Withing three weeks and entire continent was at war. And all because the governor though his family should be exempt from the psyker cull and refused to give his daughter to the Black Ships" - Inquisitor Mallen, Ordo Xenos

Humanity, as a species is evolving into a psyker race. But because they are still evolving the dangers of psykers are more pronounced as human psykers have yet to evolve a defense against the warp. Eldar were created by the Old Ones to be a psyker race so they don't have to go through all the problems humanity does since the needed defenses are built-in.

Its unfair to use Eldar as a measure of how the Imperium should act seeing as the Eldar are older than humanity and are all psychic, yet they still get onto fights with each other, when humanity doesn't have what the Eldar have going for them. And the Eldar don't tolerate xeno species; they either ignore them, use them or wipe them out. The book 'Xenology' has your evidence of so called Eldar benevolence.

I call Interex lovey attitude with aliens to be madness seeing as the CABAL(an organization made up of aliens) were planning on having the entire human race go extinct to destroy chaos so that the galaxy could be saved for the xeno races or so they claim.

Goddard wrote:Ahh but a Chainfist is not entirely a dreadnought close combat weapon, niether is a siesmic hammer, and niether are blood talons.

the Seismic Hammer actually is a DCCW(that gives +1 on the damage table), but you are correct about the Chainfist(which is just that, a chainfist)

Seismic hammer has the same rules as a dreadnought ccw, but it also has a special rule concerning the damage chart.

Blood Talons have the same rules as dreadnought ccws, but they generate more attacks with unsaved wounds.

No, Blood Talons follow the rules for Lightining Claws with the addition of generating extra attacks.

Bloodfists are DCCWs for all intents and purposes.


Nemisis Doomfists are DCCWs and also use the rules for Force Weapons.

I thought that DCCW double the dread's strength as part of their rules?

As far as I remember Blood Talons do not.

*edit* checked- they follow the rules for lightning claws, not DCCW. They are just mounted on a dread instead of a terminator


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How about the Dawn of war 2 games. Any one who has played those games know that you end up collecting a lot of wargear from Space wolves, Blood angels and even Adeptus Custodes.

How in the name of the warp did all that crap finds its way into the Aurelian subsector?

But the most odd thing in 40k to me is Shas'la T'au Kais from Fire Warrior.

The fact that one Fire Warrior alone destroy that much IG, SM, Techpriest, CSM, Obliterators, Daemon Princess, Titan and even Lord of Change....

And after that he was just promoted to Shah'ui? What then you need to do to get Broadside?

The emperor's gold-plated ass on a tray, nothing less

Ascalam wrote:The emperor's gold-plated ass on a tray, nothing less

Meaning what?
Can you tell me why do 40kers mock about the Emps throne? He's existence on the throne is said to be an eternal torment seeing as his spirit is battling in the warp and the warp has no time.

Corporal_Reznov wrote:

Ascalam wrote:The emperor's gold-plated ass on a tray, nothing less

Meaning what?
Can you tell me why do 40kers mock about the Emps throne? He's existence on the throne is said to be an eternal torment seeing as his spirit is battling in the warp and the warp has no time.

Because he's sitting on a giant golden toilet with psychic rims and spinnahz? I mean, seriously!

BaronIveagh wrote:

Corporal_Reznov wrote:

Ascalam wrote:The emperor's gold-plated ass on a tray, nothing less

Meaning what?
Can you tell me why do 40kers mock about the Emps throne? He's existence on the throne is said to be an eternal torment seeing as his spirit is battling in the warp and the warp has no time.

Because he's sitting on a giant golden toilet with psychic rims and spinnahz? I mean, seriously!

No, you be serious. The so called Golden Throne is a life support machine not a toilet. The Emps existence on the throne has been said to be an eternal torment from almost the very beginning of 40k fluff. Th very Imperium that he founded is mockery of everything he ever stood for. Science and reason was what he supported not stupid fanaticism. He always stated he was not a god, its humanity that put him up to be a god not him. Its humanity that has failed the Emp not him failing humanity.

I stand corrected on Blood Talons. Yay for not checking facts!

But regardless, it is my opinion that if not specifically stated as a dccw, it is not a dccw. I.E. a Siesmic Hammer uses the same RULES as a dccw, but is not in fact a dccw.

BaronIveagh wrote:
Because he's sitting on a giant golden toilet with psychic rims and spinnahz? I mean, seriously!

That "toilet" is the most advance peace of technology Imperium have. To be able to sustain someone near death for 10.000 years + have a warp gate beneath it...
Golden throne is a master peace of lost Human knowledge. Only Chaos fans call it toilet...but it's ok, since CSM look like they come out of the sewer

zilegil wrote:Surely they might have the blade of a knife at a different angle? You know so that it is at right angles to the hilt, so it makes an L shape. Out of the multitude of races in 40k, one of them must make them different.
Also I except that the eldar, who are similar psychologicaly to humans, have similar ways of building things, but necrons? well we don't know much about the necrontyr, maybe their guns are the same as the guns used by necrons.

Lookback at history around the world with weapons development. There are many strange weapons that are non standard, but swords were developed seperately all accross the world, and they all have the same basic shape. A hilt with a long blade at the end. Some blades are curved in different ways, or not at all, but this is mainly due to the type of armor their enemies wore. If a race has the same basic bipedal body type that a human does, it is reasonable to assume their bladed weapons would be similar, if not identical.

As for fire arms go, the general shape of a gun is built for comfort while using. The shape makes it easy to use, and hold it up towards your head in order to aim down the sights. For solid projectiles, the longer the barrel the further the distance of the weapon. Take a look at a .50 rifle. Those things stand taller than most people, at about 2m and they have incredible range. There are inconsistancies like shuriken weapons are shorter range than bolters. This could be due to the rocket on the end of the bolter round. It might have to do with the shuriken round its self being less aerodynamic. It could be because that range made sense for balance and we're over analyzing.


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Goddard wrote:The fact that only the Blood Raven's arm their dreadnoughts with 2 dreadnought close combat weapons.

Korne dreads disagree with you.

The reason that the imperium is not as technologically advanced as we would think in the year 40,000 is because they used to be really smart and technologically awesome but then they fell into the dark ages and simply forgot how to make stuff like awesome, sleek armor an AI's and stuff. Think the French reveloution. Everyone used to be equal untill some people thought they were Better and so we had the rich people, the slaves and the inbetweeners. Eventually the slaves cracked and everyone fell into the reign of terror. Right now the imperium is in the reign of terror, but recovering.

Yea we got shown a video in physics demonstarting that.
They basically had an abrams and a Ballerina on a massive piece of styrofoam and the hole the ballerina made by staniding on one foot was deeper than the track marks made by the tank.

Corporal_Reznov wrote:

BaronIveagh wrote:
Because he's sitting on a giant golden toilet with psychic rims and spinnahz? I mean, seriously!

No, you be serious. The so called Golden Throne is a life support machine not a toilet. The Emps existence on the throne has been said to be an eternal torment from almost the very beginning of 40k fluff. Th very Imperium that he founded is mockery of everything he ever stood for. Science and reason was what he supported not stupid fanaticism. He always stated he was not a god, its humanity that put him up to be a god not him. Its humanity that has failed the Emp not him failing humanity.

I have a hard time taking any setting seriously that spends so much time stealing from other settings.
And being on the throne for ten thousand years, I know *I* would be in unending torment. He definitely needs more fiber.

Brother Coa wrote:
That "toilet" is the most advance peace of technology Imperium have. To be able to sustain someone near death for 10.000 years + have a warp gate beneath it...
Golden throne is a master peace of lost Human knowledge. Only Chaos fans call it toilet...but it's ok, since CSM look like they come out of the sewer

Actually, in many places, a toilet is far more advanced then most Imperial technology, particularly on Feral, Death, and Medieval worlds. And Emps should flush twice then. It's a long way to the Inevitable City, and we don't want Matt Ward clogging the plumbing along the way.

And in defense of any CSM's I've made, no, they look more like the strippers and clients at a bordello suddenly mutated and came spilling in to the streets.

Hooters meets Dead Space?

This i can get behind

The Eldar look down on all races for being inferior while they are superior due to them being oldest and created as perfect by the Old ones- this is what Eldar believe. They say that they should rule the galaxy and its not because of them being better at rulership. They ruled the entire galaxy for millions of years during the eons of the Eldar empire, an empire that fell and other races took its place. The Eldar want the return of the empire so they can be safe and all-powerful again, a cause which craftworld Biel-tan champions. Biel-tan, are among the most overzealous and xenocidal of their kind: their one dream is to rebuild the ancient Eldar empire, using the dead bones of everything that stands in their way as foundation, a lot like the Imperium . Nice fellows indeed[sarcasm!].

You want some a small snippet of what happens to psykers who don't get picked up by the Black Ships -

Enslaver Plagues. Deaathwatch Corel Rulebook pg 316 wrote:
"Call them what you will-Krell, Psyrens or Ensalvers. Just one witch, unsanctioned, caused the destruction of Hive Skorpios when one of those things used her brain as a gateway to this world. Within three days the entire hive's population was reduced to drooling,, mind slaves. Withing three weeks and entire continent was at war. And all because the governor though his family should be exempt from the psyker cull and refused to give his daughter to the Black Ships" - Inquisitor Mallen, Ordo Xenos

Humanity, as a species is evolving into a psyker race. But because they are still evolving the dangers of psykers are more pronounced as human psykers have yet to evolve a defense against the warp. Eldar were created by the Old Ones to be a psyker race so they don't have to go through all the problems humanity does since the needed defenses are built-in.

Its unfair to use Eldar as a measure of how the Imperium should act seeing as the Eldar are older than humanity and are all psychic, yet they still get onto fights with each other, when humanity doesn't have what the Eldar have going for them. And the Eldar don't tolerate xeno species; they either ignore them, use them or wipe them out. The book 'Xenology' has your evidence of so called Eldar benevolence.

I call Interex lovey attitude with aliens to be madness seeing as the CABAL(an organization made up of aliens) were planning on having the entire human race go extinct to destroy chaos so that the galaxy could be saved for the xeno races or so they claim.

Right, so you agree with me? The Eldar see themselves as superior. That doesn't necessarily mean they are, but that's just what the Eldar BELIEVE. You really want me to repeat the point? I know the Eldar would like to rule the galaxy again, I pretty much said that twice. They would happily destroy the Imperium to do so, I SAID THAT.

What's the point in this snippet? To more iterate my point? Good.

What argument are you putting forward with this thing about humans evolving into a race of psykers? I completely understand that this is happening to an extent but I don't see what point you're trying to make.

I'm not using the Eldar as a measure of how the Imperium should act, I'm simply saying the Eldar are more moral than the Imperium, but the Imperium has it's reasons. Well, ignoring a species is tolerating it, Interex are a prime example. They had contact with the Eldar, the Eldar trusted them with knowledge of Chaos. That's tolerating them. That's GOOD RELATIONS. Does the Imperium have good relations with a xenos species? Nope. Not one.

So you're saying alliances between humans and aliens are wrong? Tau? There are quite a lot of humans peacefully serving the Tau. That's not a hostile or bad relationship. Now I'm not saying the Tau are great guys but that's an example of good relations. The Interex are no different. Their Empire was large and prosperous, their way of life was clean and of a high standard and their technology was highly advanced. All this and they never eradicated a xenos species. The Megarachnid just wanted to expand and destroy the Interex, no diplomacy or negotiations, just merciless war, and yet the Interex still had a high sense of morality. They thought they had no right to make a species extinct so quarantined them to live on a planet but lacking the capability to attack the Interex again. One Cabal of aliens is not a generalisation.

Corporal_Reznov wrote:

BaronIveagh wrote:

Corporal_Reznov wrote:

Ascalam wrote:The emperor's gold-plated ass on a tray, nothing less

Meaning what?
Can you tell me why do 40kers mock about the Emps throne? He's existence on the throne is said to be an eternal torment seeing as his spirit is battling in the warp and the warp has no time.

Because he's sitting on a giant golden toilet with psychic rims and spinnahz? I mean, seriously!

No, you be serious. The so called Golden Throne is a life support machine not a toilet. The Emps existence on the throne has been said to be an eternal torment from almost the very beginning of 40k fluff. Th very Imperium that he founded is mockery of everything he ever stood for. Science and reason was what he supported not stupid fanaticism. He always stated he was not a god, its humanity that put him up to be a god not him. Its humanity that has failed the Emp not him failing humanity.

Brother Coa wrote:

BaronIveagh wrote:
Because he's sitting on a giant golden toilet with psychic rims and spinnahz? I mean, seriously!

That "toilet" is the most advance peace of technology Imperium have. To be able to sustain someone near death for 10.000 years + have a warp gate beneath it...
Golden throne is a master peace of lost Human knowledge. Only Chaos fans call it toilet...but it's ok, since CSM look like they come out of the sewer

In English, "throne" is occasionally a joking euphemism for "toilet", so it's a facetious play on words.

Behold! The Golden Throne!

BaronIveagh wrote:Behold! The Golden Throne!

Oooooohhh shiney

So why do terminators always looked hunched over whenever they have their helmets off??? also why can't their helmets have a more streamlined apperance instead of the bulky ones? I mean the grey knights actually have the most functional helmet outta all the spacemarines

Brother Coa wrote:
ANd the fact that Humanity say for every alien species that is " weak", when in reality every Ork is larger than Human, and it can carry more and kill every Human in 1 on 1 fight. ( except SM ). And Eldar thinking about Humans as "weak" and "primitive", yet Humanity didn't make new Chaos god that's eating their souls, surviving for 10.000 years even with all the sh** that is coming to consume us and every time stand victorious even at the most grim odds against us. And not to mention that Humanity control million worlds while Eldar have none left ( at least main worlds ).

The fact that Orks just make new ones and already have a armor and axe to give to everyone. Some even got a gun.

I will thing of more soon..............

lol dude read the last chancers orks aint that tuff

IIndividually, no.

How often do you see just one ork

How often do you see 1 guardsmen?