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Grey Templar wrote:Plot holes.


the most recent fluff actually puts the Eldar Fall long before mankind took to the stars.

As late as the new Dark Eldar codex it's placed in M31.

Strangest thing I know is the small piston Apothecaries use to put deeply wounded space marines out of there misery known as a Carnifex..... now I know when I hear Carnifex I don't think about putting some space marine out of his misery.

It's on lexicanum under Overview: Third paragraph after the Narthecium entry.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Apothecary

-Sincerely Viri

Sounds nice:

"I'm heavy wounded and to get me out of my misery, an apothecary (sanguinery priest =D) puts a carnifex in me.'

Sounds better then a sting.

Well, you know, it does take a carnifex to kill a space marine...

Indeed ^

I think that because they're so re-engineered from their original form, that the 'weakness' of having a favoured hand somehow got fixed.

Seriously, if they're humanity's ultimate warriors, then you would think that they could easily fight to their best of their abilities no matter what hand they're using.

Why so many space marines and chapters turn renagade?

You know, the greatest mystery and oddity of 40k?

Why games workshop doesn't write a setting bible so that all this confusion doesn't happen?

Every core rulebook is the "Setting Bible".

Um, no, not really. Hell, not even close. (And if it is, then the writers conflict with it constantly)

Thats because the latest book is the new bible, and the rest becomes heresy

Couldn't resist, sorry

Having a database (like an official version of Lexicanum) to fun fluff through for inconsistencies would be great It might force certain BL and Design team writers to actually learn to read the fluff before adding more though...

Hlaine Larkin mk2 wrote:where are you getting the idea that the Star-Child isn't canon?

He is a Chaos fan...to him Imperial Victory in 13'th Black Crusade is not cannon either...

Didn't the Star Child cult get purged (missing just a few) int he 3rd Ed rulebook? I could be wrong though

I need to dig that book up again. It had awesome little inspirational sayings (for marines) and ministories all through it..

No, they just haven't talked about it any more.

its still valid.

IIRC I think the story also said that the cult was shown to be controlled by a daemon of tzeench? Doesn't sound too likely to be an accurate prediction of the Big E's return. I'm at work right now, but i'll dig out my old book when i get home

*Shrug* doesn't matter much anyway, as the dumb storyline will never advance, just get retconned...

Grey Templar wrote:No, they just haven't talked about it any more.

its still valid.

Grey Templar is correct. There are people on the internet who shout this "non cannon!" buisness about the Starchild and Sensei all the time, really just because they can...it's the internet, but just because something is old doesn't make it noncannon. Look at the Jokero, they are from rouge trader too and are suddenly thrust back to the forefront in the GK codex.

Fact is, for this not to be cannon, GW would have to make an official statement that the Star Child/Illuminati/Sensei are not cannon or are all dead (like they did with the Squats).

Just because some random folks on the internet convinced themselves of something, doesn' make it true.

Pg 273 3rd Edition rulebook:

excerpts - it's a longish story:

'The members of the cult were wholly unaware of their heretical ideals. They believed their doctrines were serving the Emperor in the guise of the Star Child. They were assured that this Star Child entity was merely another aspect of the Benificent Emperor, a more benign creature than the Emperor of all Mankind'

'At first I was given momentary pause and considered the possibility that indeed these people had been chosen by the Emperor for some higher purpose, though i never credited for a moment (their claim) that they were the Emperor's offspring.

'Rebel humans, ghastly abhumans and even the vile eldar consorted with these Sensei. Such hideous companions would never be tolerated by a true Favourite of the Emperor and I ordered the cult examined in more detail'

'The Sensei believed that they would achieve a higher state of being when the Star Child would grip them in rapture and elevate them... this elevation, which they called the Apotheosis struck a chord with my learned colleague, Inquisitor Alexio, who reminded us of the deluded belief of Chaos worshippers thattheir god would grant them eternal life and everlasting power. Spurred on by these thoughts we iexamined the star cult in more detail'

' ... as we examined the cult more closely we started recognising certain phrases, gestures and ceremonial accoutrments which stirred our memories of the Thrandros cult we destroyed fourteen years ago.'

'the thrandos cult was utterly dedicated to the worship of the Great Sorceror, the Architect of Fate (Tzeench), here we saw sigils and signs pointing towards that fell deity'

'Our suspicions were confirmed weeks later, when Alexio's Emperor-Gifted Inner Eye detected the foul taint of the Great Sorceror during one of the cult (Temple of the Star Child) 's main ceremonies. This was incontrovertible proof that the Temple of the Star Child posed a threat'

'Our request for aid was answered by the Salamanders Chapter of the Adeptus Astartes. They executed the Annihillation of the Star Cult with admirable expediency.'

It mentions four Sensei not being present, and being hunted, with the cult wiped out. It's pretty conculsive that the Temple of the Star Child was a front for Tzeentch worship, with the worshippers firmly believing that they were worshipping a benign version of the emperor.

I would say your Canon just got unloaded, as they were all but squatted (4 left) and were revealed to be deamon worshippers to boot


Unless you have something on the further adventures of the 4 remaining, with defiinitive proof that they weren't Tzeench worshippers (without knowing that they were, possibly? )

Ascalam wrote:Pg 273 3rd Edition rulebook:

excerpts - it's a longish story:

'The members of the cult were wholly unaware of their heretical ideals. They believed their doctrines were serving the Emperor in the guise of the Star Child. They were assured that this Star Child entity was merely another aspect of the Benificent Emperor, a more benign creature than the Emperor of all Mankind'

'At first I was given momentary pause and considered the possibility that indeed these people had been chosen by the Emperor for some higher purpose, though i never credited for a moment (their claim) that they were the Emperor's offspring.

'Rebel humans, ghastly abhumans and even the vile eldar consorted with these Sensei. Such hideous companions would never be tolerated by a true Favourite of the Emperor and I ordered the cult examined in more detail'

'The Sensei believed that they would achieve a higher state of being when the Star Child would grip them in rapture and elevate them... this elevation, which they called the Apotheosis struck a chord with my learned colleague, Inquisitor Alexio, who reminded us of the deluded belief of Chaos worshippers thattheir god would grant them eternal life and everlasting power. Spurred on by these thoughts we iexamined the star cult in more detail'

' ... as we examined the cult more closely we started recognising certain phrases, gestures and ceremonial accoutrments which stirred our memories of the Thrandros cult we destroyed fourteen years ago.'

'the thrandos cult was utterly dedicated to the worship of the Great Sorceror, the Architect of Fate (Tzeench), here we saw sigils and signs pointing towards that fell deity'

'Our suspicions were confirmed weeks later, when Alexio's Emperor-Gifted Inner Eye detected the foul taint of the Great Sorceror during one of the cult (Temple of the Star Child) 's main ceremonies. This was incontrovertible proof that the Temple of the Star Child posed a threat'

'Our request for aid was answered by the Salamanders Chapter of the Adeptus Astartes. They executed the Annihillation of the Star Cult with admirable expediency.'

It mentions four Sensei not being present, and being hunted, with the cult wiped out. It's pretty conculsive that the Temple of the Star Child was a front for Tzeentch worship, with the worshippers firmly believing that they were worshipping a benign version of the emperor.

I would say your Canon just got unloaded, as they were all but squatted (4 left) and were revealed to be deamon worshippers to boot


Unless you have something on the further adventures of the 4 remaining, with defiinitive proof that they weren't Tzeench worshippers (without knowing that they were, possibly? )

That is ok, but not entirely true....
Star Child is still cannon, and their are probably more of them since no cult that size is keeping only one church.
And that's Inquisitor's report on one occasion, who knows how many of them are there. And cannon is not unloaded because nowhere says that they are all killed or there are few of them left... It is only stated that the Inquisition is at war with them. And you can see further proff in Inquisition War Trilogy where Draco destroy another temple on unknown planet...

if you have fluff that refutes the story (which is as close as GW ever gets to declaring something is real) i'd like to read it

There are still a few squats left too (probably more than 4 ) but they are no longer considered canon as a race.

Regardless of whether there are more of the same cult out there the story seems to indicate that they are a tzeenchi cult masquerading as an Emperor cult, all unknowing.

'And cannon is not unloaded because nowhere says that they are all killed or there are few of them left... It is only stated that the Inquisition is at war with them'

Annihilliated sounds like 'all-killed' to me. The Salamanders torched the cult, except for four Sensei who were not at the temple at the time.

It nowhere says that the cult was in existence on other worlds either (except in the case of the Thanadros cult, destroyed 14 years earlier, that was also proven to be a tzeentchi cult )

I'll see if i can find the inquisitor war trilogy at the library. I need a good read. Any idea when it was written?

Ascalam wrote:Pg 273 3rd Edition rulebook:

excerpts - it's a longish story:

'The members of the cult were wholly unaware of their heretical ideals. They believed their doctrines were serving the Emperor in the guise of the Star Child. They were assured that this Star Child entity was merely another aspect of the Benificent Emperor, a more benign creature than the Emperor of all Mankind'

'At first I was given momentary pause and considered the possibility that indeed these people had been chosen by the Emperor for some higher purpose, though i never credited for a moment (their claim) that they were the Emperor's offspring.

'Rebel humans, ghastly abhumans and even the vile eldar consorted with these Sensei. Such hideous companions would never be tolerated by a true Favourite of the Emperor and I ordered the cult examined in more detail'

'The Sensei believed that they would achieve a higher state of being when the Star Child would grip them in rapture and elevate them... this elevation, which they called the Apotheosis struck a chord with my learned colleague, Inquisitor Alexio, who reminded us of the deluded belief of Chaos worshippers thattheir god would grant them eternal life and everlasting power. Spurred on by these thoughts we iexamined the star cult in more detail'

' ... as we examined the cult more closely we started recognising certain phrases, gestures and ceremonial accoutrments which stirred our memories of the Thrandros cult we destroyed fourteen years ago.'

'the thrandos cult was utterly dedicated to the worship of the Great Sorceror, the Architect of Fate (Tzeench), here we saw sigils and signs pointing towards that fell deity'

'Our suspicions were confirmed weeks later, when Alexio's Emperor-Gifted Inner Eye detected the foul taint of the Great Sorceror during one of the cult (Temple of the Star Child) 's main ceremonies. This was incontrovertible proof that the Temple of the Star Child posed a threat'

'Our request for aid was answered by the Salamanders Chapter of the Adeptus Astartes. They executed the Annihillation of the Star Cult with admirable expediency.'

It mentions four Sensei not being present, and being hunted, with the cult wiped out. It's pretty conculsive that the Temple of the Star Child was a front for Tzeentch worship, with the worshippers firmly believing that they were worshipping a benign version of the emperor.

I would say your Canon just got unloaded, as they were all but squatted (4 left) and were revealed to be deamon worshippers to boot


Unless you have something on the further adventures of the 4 remaining, with defiinitive proof that they weren't Tzeench worshippers (without knowing that they were, possibly? )

Yes, I have the book too.
Here are some things to consider about this story:
-It is written from the point of view of an Inquisitor, it is not presented in narrative that it is a fact of the universe that the Star Child was Tzeench.
-The concept of the Emperor being reborn is considered a radical view by most Inquisitors. Inquisitors who believe this Philosophy are Thorians. Thorians are the most radical of the Puritan Inquisitors, and even within the Thorians only members of the Illuminati know of the Star Child and the Sensei. So if this Inquisitor was not a Thorian, than he certainly would view the cult he discovered as a bunch of Heretics.
-The report says that the rituals of the Star Child cult are similar in kind to a Tzeenchian cult, this could mean many things none of which are solid fact or can be proved. It could be that the Inquisitor is jumping to a conclusion that the Star child is related to Tzeench because he doesn't under stand it. Or the Thrandros cult was a Tzeentch cult trying to defame the real Sensei. Tzeench is, after all, the Master Manipulator
-The Inquisitor says he is going off to investigate other leads suggesting the 'cult' hasn't been completely wiped out.

Anyway, my point is that the reference in 3rd edition in no way counters the previous references to the Starchild and if anything validates them.

Tau tanks are named after earth fish extinct for countless millenia.

Mustela wrote:Tau tanks are named after earth fish extinct for countless millenia.

Actually they probably exist on some planet somewhere...
Loads of Earth creatures were taken during the first Diaspora

purplefood wrote:Diaspora

Ooohh... good word.
You Brits and your shiny vocabulary.

NagothDaCleaver wrote:

purplefood wrote:Diaspora

Ooohh... good word.
You Brits and your shiny vocabulary.

Shiny shiny...

NagothDaCleaver wrote:

Ascalam wrote:Pg 273 3rd Edition rulebook:

excerpts - it's a longish story:

'The members of the cult were wholly unaware of their heretical ideals. They believed their doctrines were serving the Emperor in the guise of the Star Child. They were assured that this Star Child entity was merely another aspect of the Benificent Emperor, a more benign creature than the Emperor of all Mankind'

'At first I was given momentary pause and considered the possibility that indeed these people had been chosen by the Emperor for some higher purpose, though i never credited for a moment (their claim) that they were the Emperor's offspring.

'Rebel humans, ghastly abhumans and even the vile eldar consorted with these Sensei. Such hideous companions would never be tolerated by a true Favourite of the Emperor and I ordered the cult examined in more detail'

'The Sensei believed that they would achieve a higher state of being when the Star Child would grip them in rapture and elevate them... this elevation, which they called the Apotheosis struck a chord with my learned colleague, Inquisitor Alexio, who reminded us of the deluded belief of Chaos worshippers thattheir god would grant them eternal life and everlasting power. Spurred on by these thoughts we iexamined the star cult in more detail'

' ... as we examined the cult more closely we started recognising certain phrases, gestures and ceremonial accoutrments which stirred our memories of the Thrandros cult we destroyed fourteen years ago.'

'the thrandos cult was utterly dedicated to the worship of the Great Sorceror, the Architect of Fate (Tzeench), here we saw sigils and signs pointing towards that fell deity'

'Our suspicions were confirmed weeks later, when Alexio's Emperor-Gifted Inner Eye detected the foul taint of the Great Sorceror during one of the cult (Temple of the Star Child) 's main ceremonies. This was incontrovertible proof that the Temple of the Star Child posed a threat'

'Our request for aid was answered by the Salamanders Chapter of the Adeptus Astartes. They executed the Annihillation of the Star Cult with admirable expediency.'

It mentions four Sensei not being present, and being hunted, with the cult wiped out. It's pretty conculsive that the Temple of the Star Child was a front for Tzeentch worship, with the worshippers firmly believing that they were worshipping a benign version of the emperor.

I would say your Canon just got unloaded, as they were all but squatted (4 left) and were revealed to be deamon worshippers to boot


Unless you have something on the further adventures of the 4 remaining, with definitive proof that they weren't Tzeench worshippers (without knowing that they were, possibly? )

Yes, I have the book too.
Here are some things to consider about this story:
-It is written from the point of view of an Inquisitor, it is not presented in narrative that it is a fact of the universe that the Star Child was Tzeench.
-The concept of the Emperor being reborn is considered a radical view by most Inquisitors. Inquisitors who believe this Philosophy are Thorians. Thorians are the most radical of the Puritan Inquisitors, and even within the Thorians only members of the Illuminati know of the Star Child and the Sensei. So if this Inquisitor was not a Thorian, than he certainly would view the cult he discovered as a bunch of Heretics.
-The report says that the rituals of the Star Child cult are similar in kind to a Tzeenchian cult, this could mean many things none of which are solid fact or can be proved. It could be that the Inquisitor is jumping to a conclusion that the Star child is related to Tzeench because he doesn't under stand it. Or the Thrandros cult was a Tzeentch cult trying to defame the real Sensei. Tzeench is, after all, the Master Manipulator
-The Inquisitor says he is going off to investigate other leads suggesting the 'cult' hasn't been completely wiped out.

Anyway, my point is that the reference in 3rd edition in no way counters the previous references to the Starchild and if anything validates them.

Most of the 'Official' fluff is written from the point of veiw of an Inquisitor or an Adeptus Mechanicus Adept, when it is related in the form of a story rather than a timeline. These stories are generally considered to be canon. The fact it was delivered from an Inquisitor's point of view does not invalidate the evidence. It does allow for a point of possible bias, but the inquisitor in question doesn't seem to be a raving psycho (for an inquisitor) as he was willing to entertain the idea that the cult was in fact blessed by the Big E.

The story mentions that the cult was using tzeentchi gestures,verbiage and trapping, and a tzeentchi presence was detected at one of their great rituals, but this doesn't make it Tzeentchi?

To me it sounds like GW putting down the previous fluff in a fairly thorough way, but indicating that the Sensei were either willing or unwitting Tzeentchi cultists, then having the cult purged by a SM chapter. Much like suddenly declaring that all the Squat worlds were annihilated by the Nids.


If you want to believe that the rest of the Sensei are lurking in a hidden lair somewhere, with absolutely no proof of their existence mentioned since the story in which their cult is shown to be daemonic and purged, then feel free The last mention of the Sensei in official fluff that i've found is them getting annihilated. If Annihilated isn't enough for them to be gone (given that there has been no further mention of them) then what is?

While we're at it, 2 doors down from that lair there are loyalist Thosuand Sons that want a word over the mistreatment of Magnus , and then across the way are the lost 2 legions in stasis, waiting for Arthur to return to Britain and lead them

Ascalam wrote:



Most of the 'Official' fluff is written from the point of veiw of an Inquisitor or an Adeptus Mechanicus Adept, when it is related in the form of a story rather than a timeline. These stories are generally considered to be canon. The fact it was delivered from an Inquisitor's point of view does not invalidate the evidence. It does allow for a point of possible bias, but the inquisitor in question doesn't seem to be a raving psycho (for an inquisitor) as he was willing to entertain the idea that the cult was in fact blessed by the Big E.

The story mentions that the cult was using tzeentchi gestures,verbiage and trapping, and a tzeentchi presence was detected at one of their great rituals, but this doesn't make it Tzeentchi?

To me it sounds like GW putting down the previous fluff in a fairly thorough way, but indicating that the Sensei were either willing or unwitting Tzeentchi cultists, then having the cult purged by a SM chapter. Much like suddenly declaring that all the Squat worlds were annihilated by the Nids.


If you want to believe that the rest of the Sensei are lurking in a hidden lair somewhere, with absolutely no proof of their existence mentioned since the story in which their cult is shown to be daemonic and purged, then feel free The last mention of the Sensei in official fluff that i've found is them getting annihilated. If Annihilated isn't enough for them to be gone (given that there has been no further mention of them) then what is?

While we're at it, 2 doors down from that lair there are loyalist Thosuand Sons that want a word over the mistreatment of Magnus , and then across the way are the lost 2 legions in stasis, waiting for Arthur to return to Britain and lead them

Mind you, it doesn't actually say they were totally wiped out. (And, frankly, Tzeench is known as the Great Conspirator and Architect of Fate for a reason, it would not surprise me that Tzeench would take the time to set up a cult knowing that by them being killed, he could frame the Emperor's servants and get the Inquisition to kill them for him/it. )

NagothDaCleaver wrote:

Grey Templar wrote:No, they just haven't talked about it any more.

its still valid.

Grey Templar is correct. There are people on the internet who shout this "non cannon!" buisness about the Starchild and Sensei all the time, really just because they can...it's the internet, but just because something is old doesn't make it noncannon. Look at the Jokero, they are from rouge trader too and are suddenly thrust back to the forefront in the GK codex.

Fact is, for this not to be cannon, GW would have to make an official statement that the Star Child/Illuminati/Sensei are not cannon or are all dead (like they did with the Squats).

Just because some random folks on the internet convinced themselves of something, doesn' make it true.

There are cases of Old fluff becomeing non-cannon because it conflicts with newer stuff.


Newer Fluff always replaces Old fluff it contradicts.

unless old stuff is contradicted by newer stuff its still valid.

Grey Templar wrote:

There are cases of Old fluff becomeing non-cannon because it conflicts with newer stuff.


Newer Fluff always replaces Old fluff it contradicts.

unless old stuff is contradicted by newer stuff its still valid.

And since no new canon really retcons this... (I might point out that the starshild fluff did have the Inquisition trying to... well, screw it up and claim it was heresy, so... yeah, makes sense I suppose)

There is a serious problem with the Squats retcon: all the squat worlds in the path fo the nids are eaten. So, what about the ones in, say, Segmentum Solar, since there were a few. I know the novel Gunheads exists solely to retcon the named squat world in the Armageddon sector (badly) but it doesn't cover most of the rest of space.

BTW: now squats never existed at all. They keep retconning their retcons because they have too many gaping holes. Maybe they should give up and release Codex: Squats.


For EXTRA Heresy in the presence of GW:



Female squat tank commanders (from Ollie's Armies 'Scrunts')

Ascalam wrote:

NagothDaCleaver wrote:

Ascalam wrote:Pg 273 3rd Edition rulebook:

excerpts - it's a longish story:

'The members of the cult were wholly unaware of their heretical ideals. They believed their doctrines were serving the Emperor in the guise of the Star Child. They were assured that this Star Child entity was merely another aspect of the Benificent Emperor, a more benign creature than the Emperor of all Mankind'

'At first I was given momentary pause and considered the possibility that indeed these people had been chosen by the Emperor for some higher purpose, though i never credited for a moment (their claim) that they were the Emperor's offspring.

'Rebel humans, ghastly abhumans and even the vile eldar consorted with these Sensei. Such hideous companions would never be tolerated by a true Favourite of the Emperor and I ordered the cult examined in more detail'

'The Sensei believed that they would achieve a higher state of being when the Star Child would grip them in rapture and elevate them... this elevation, which they called the Apotheosis struck a chord with my learned colleague, Inquisitor Alexio, who reminded us of the deluded belief of Chaos worshippers thattheir god would grant them eternal life and everlasting power. Spurred on by these thoughts we iexamined the star cult in more detail'

' ... as we examined the cult more closely we started recognising certain phrases, gestures and ceremonial accoutrments which stirred our memories of the Thrandros cult we destroyed fourteen years ago.'

'the thrandos cult was utterly dedicated to the worship of the Great Sorceror, the Architect of Fate (Tzeench), here we saw sigils and signs pointing towards that fell deity'

'Our suspicions were confirmed weeks later, when Alexio's Emperor-Gifted Inner Eye detected the foul taint of the Great Sorceror during one of the cult (Temple of the Star Child) 's main ceremonies. This was incontrovertible proof that the Temple of the Star Child posed a threat'

'Our request for aid was answered by the Salamanders Chapter of the Adeptus Astartes. They executed the Annihillation of the Star Cult with admirable expediency.'

It mentions four Sensei not being present, and being hunted, with the cult wiped out. It's pretty conculsive that the Temple of the Star Child was a front for Tzeentch worship, with the worshippers firmly believing that they were worshipping a benign version of the emperor.

I would say your Canon just got unloaded, as they were all but squatted (4 left) and were revealed to be deamon worshippers to boot


Unless you have something on the further adventures of the 4 remaining, with definitive proof that they weren't Tzeench worshippers (without knowing that they were, possibly? )

Yes, I have the book too.
Here are some things to consider about this story:
-It is written from the point of view of an Inquisitor, it is not presented in narrative that it is a fact of the universe that the Star Child was Tzeench.
-The concept of the Emperor being reborn is considered a radical view by most Inquisitors. Inquisitors who believe this Philosophy are Thorians. Thorians are the most radical of the Puritan Inquisitors, and even within the Thorians only members of the Illuminati know of the Star Child and the Sensei. So if this Inquisitor was not a Thorian, than he certainly would view the cult he discovered as a bunch of Heretics.
-The report says that the rituals of the Star Child cult are similar in kind to a Tzeenchian cult, this could mean many things none of which are solid fact or can be proved. It could be that the Inquisitor is jumping to a conclusion that the Star child is related to Tzeench because he doesn't under stand it. Or the Thrandros cult was a Tzeentch cult trying to defame the real Sensei. Tzeench is, after all, the Master Manipulator
-The Inquisitor says he is going off to investigate other leads suggesting the 'cult' hasn't been completely wiped out.

Anyway, my point is that the reference in 3rd edition in no way counters the previous references to the Starchild and if anything validates them.

Most of the 'Official' fluff is written from the point of veiw of an Inquisitor or an Adeptus Mechanicus Adept, when it is related in the form of a story rather than a timeline. These stories are generally considered to be canon. The fact it was delivered from an Inquisitor's point of view does not invalidate the evidence. It does allow for a point of possible bias, but the inquisitor in question doesn't seem to be a raving psycho (for an inquisitor) as he was willing to entertain the idea that the cult was in fact blessed by the Big E.

The story mentions that the cult was using tzeentchi gestures,verbiage and trapping, and a tzeentchi presence was detected at one of their great rituals, but this doesn't make it Tzeentchi?

To me it sounds like GW putting down the previous fluff in a fairly thorough way, but indicating that the Sensei were either willing or unwitting Tzeentchi cultists, then having the cult purged by a SM chapter. Much like suddenly declaring that all the Squat worlds were annihilated by the Nids.


If you want to believe that the rest of the Sensei are lurking in a hidden lair somewhere, with absolutely no proof of their existence mentioned since the story in which their cult is shown to be daemonic and purged, then feel free The last mention of the Sensei in official fluff that i've found is them getting annihilated. If Annihilated isn't enough for them to be gone (given that there has been no further mention of them) then what is?

While we're at it, 2 doors down from that lair there are loyalist Thosuand Sons that want a word over the mistreatment of Magnus , and then across the way are the lost 2 legions in stasis, waiting for Arthur to return to Britain and lead them

One Inquisitor wiping out a Star Child cult he don't understand does not mean that all of the Sensei and Illuminati in the Galaxy were destroyed. Just the ones he knew of.
As you can see by other posts I am not the only one who "believes" this way, you are actually in the minority by thinking the Star Child/Illuminati/Sensie are gone from cannon.

GW just reprinted the Ian Watson Inquisitor Novels in 2008, so they obviously still want them in print.

I kinda agree with with GW on squats though. THey dont really make sense as "great engineers" in this time.