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SGASheppard wrote:Horus for overall
Lemen russ or angron for physical prowess
Magnus for pyschic prowess
Lion for being so awesome (who else has a chapter with little yoda's running around?)

Kurze was at least better then Russ. Corax also said Sanguinus could best Angron.

If we went for general badassery, I would choose Vulkan. Took on a DE raiding party with two hammers he picked up from a forge.

Tied with him is Magnus the Red. You have GOT to feel like a badass when you destroy a Titan with your mind.

Durza wrote:In fairness to Fulgrim, he wasn't exactly in optimal condition when they fought, and regardless of the daemon, was unwilling to kill his brother. Manus, on the other hand, viewed Fulgrim as a brother no more. If both had brought their A-game, I'd say it would have been a fight to standstill if the daemon didn't intervene.

I'm not really sure how Fulgrim wasn't in optimal condition. He was kickin it with his homiez watching the slaughter that was Istvaan develop until Ferrus brought the fight to him........If we're gonna be fair, Ferrus had to fight his way to Fulgrim not the other way around...And he and the Morlocks killed a lotta suckaz before Fulgrim and Ferrus crossed swords (Or hammer in Ferrus' case)

Horus, as more or less conclusively established by the cannon. He had the most potent combination of strength, martial skill and tactics. In battle with any other Primarch, he would leverage his relative strengths to win 9/10 times. The emperor recognised this by making him Warmaster; the tragedy being of course that power shouldn't have been the main criteria, but humility and empathy (hence Sanguinius as best hindsight choice).

The only interesting case for another Primarch - based on Canon, not fanboy love - is the case for Magnus. His powers made him unsuitable for being Warmaster only because the other Primarchs were suspicious of him and would not, therefore, unite behind him. This was reflected in the Emperor's plans for Magnus (avoiding spoilers here).

Well, Magnus is "The Primarch of sorcery".

Test tube babies 2 and 11

Why does everyone like Fulgrim?

Probably because he's a pretty pretty princess.

iproxtaco wrote:Kurze was at least better then Russ. Corax also said Sanguinus could best Angron.

I'm not sure on Curze being better than Russ, honestly. Curze would be better than Russ in a barehanded brawl, sure, but with a blade, Lion El'Jonson was beating the living gak out of Curze. The Primarchs had varying areas they excelled in, the Lion and Russ both excelled with blades, though not to the extent of Angron or Sanguinius.

Corax only thought Sanguinius could "maybe" beat Angron in martial combat.

Hm. Angron needs to fight a Primarch. All he has going for him at the moment is hype.


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TutorialBoss wrote:Horus, as more or less conclusively established by the cannon. He had the most potent combination of strength, martial skill and tactics. In battle with any other Primarch, he would leverage his relative strengths to win 9/10 times. The emperor recognised this by making him Warmaster; the tragedy being of course that power shouldn't have been the main criteria, but humility and empathy (hence Sanguinius as best hindsight choice).

The only interesting case for another Primarch - based on Canon, not fanboy love - is the case for Magnus. His powers made him unsuitable for being Warmaster only because the other Primarchs were suspicious of him and would not, therefore, unite behind him. This was reflected in the Emperor's plans for Magnus (avoiding spoilers here).

Horus is up there with Angron and Sanguinius in terms of martial skill, he was certainly one of the strongest. Though that's not just why he became Warmaster, being Warmaster meant more than being powerful in combat. Guilliman would probably be murked in martial combat with Angron, but Guilliman would make an infinitely better Warmaster than Angron, for example. Horus was a brilliant strategist, tactician, diplomat, and charismatic leader. But... Yeah, he was very powerful. I don't think Horus was made Warmaster merely for martial skill.

Magnus would get my vote, yeah.

Sanguinius is probably one of the greatest Primarchs.

So, what did Ferrus Manus do to get himself one vote?

Ogryn wrote:So, what did Ferrus Manus do to get himself one vote?

More than Guilliman has.

Ferrus Manus proved himself superior or at least on par with base Fulgrim, who had to use the Laer sword to win.

Ferrus Manus is also the physically strongest Primarch, rivaled in this regard only by Vulkan.

He has incredible durability and toughness, taking a blow to the temple from a massive Thunderhammer wielded by Fulgrim, and proceeded to nearly disembowel Fulgrim.

Granted, he's not the strongest Primarch overall, but he's by no means weak.

Horus broke the emperors mind, no other primarchs can say that

Horus himself said that Sanguinius should've been Warmaster, and not simply because Sanguinius possessed humility and empathy that Horus didn't.

Incidentally, Horus was never portrayed, prior to getting powered up by the Chaos gods, as the most badass combatant in the galaxy, or even one of the more noteworthy. He was a primarch, and therefore a wildly competent asskicker, but his real strength was his charisma and force of personality. Before his ascension, I think most of the combat-focused primarchs could've handled him without much issue.

Anyone who answered rowboat girlyman is infact a girlyman. I would have to go with Magnus. I think he has an advantage over everyone. Its hard to pinpoint who is best though as all primarchs were made for certain things. They are all good at what they do. Except rowboat girlyman whom I dont think anyone really cares for.

Seaward wrote:Horus himself said that Sanguinius should've been Warmaster, and not simply because Sanguinius possessed humility and empathy that Horus didn't.

Incidentally, Horus was never portrayed, prior to getting powered up by the Chaos gods, as the most badass combatant in the galaxy, or even one of the more noteworthy. He was a primarch, and therefore a wildly competent asskicker, but his real strength was his charisma and force of personality. Before his ascension, I think most of the combat-focused primarchs could've handled him without much issue.

Actually that's exactly why Horus thought Sanguinius should have been Warmaster.

And Horus was said to be the only primarch definitely capable of beating Angron in single combat. This was before his ascension.

Sanguinius should have been Warmaster, now that I think about it...

#2 and #11

Gone but not forgotten...

Preheresy Sanguinius was the most powerful IMHO, he could read the future and had considerable attributes in every field that a leader and combatant needs. He was righthand man to the emperor and could read the future. I like to think the only reason he wasn't made Warmaster was due to his vision of peace, something no doubt the Emperor wouldn't have wanted in a Warmaster.

Once tainted by Chaos Horus without a doubt became the most powerful. Is he still defined as a Primarch after this event? I like to think not.

Roboute Guilliman is your Spiritual Liege, you can't forget that.

I just plain like Lion's look. Space Knights that aren't untouchable? Yes please! And the whole Knights Vs Vikings thing I think was cool.

Think we'll ever know about the two missing?

Namica wrote:I just plain like Lion's look. Space Knights that aren't untouchable? Yes please! And the whole Knights Vs Vikings thing I think was cool.

Think we'll ever know about the two missing?

No.

Nope. The Lion shall be forever in a coma...

One major factor for Horus being warmaster is that he was the first of the primarchs found and so the emperor knew him more. It was neccesarily that he was stronger or smarter, the emperor just knew him better and probably favored him alittle more than the others having spent more time with him.

DornFist wrote:One major factor for Horus being warmaster is that he was the first of the primarchs found and so the emperor knew him more. It was neccesarily that he was stronger or smarter, the emperor just knew him better and probably favored him alittle more than the others having spent more time with him.

The Lion was the first to be found.

Coolyo294 wrote:The Lion was the first to be found.

Er, no, the Lion was the first to be made.

Horus was the first Primarch to be found.

most powerful... hmmm going by fluff

1 Horus, Sanguinius
1.5 magnus, Fulgrim
1.7 angron
2 Russ/Lion, corax (haunter, mad)
3 haunter (non mad) everyone else

this is not just combat power this is all there abilities combined

Russ should be up higher...

1. Horus
2. Vulkan, Leman Russ, Sanguinius
3. Magnus, Dorn, Khan, Lion, Perturabo
4. Corax, Guilliman, Angron, Alpharius/Omegon
5. Fulgrim, Ferrus Manus, Lorgar, Konrad, Mortarion

My list.
Horus is the undisputed champion.
Under that is like a Tier List
Vulkan and Russ being Top Tier
Lorgar and Ferrus being Low Tier

Leonus Cohol wrote:1. Horus
2. Vulkan, Leman Russ, Sanguinius
3. Magnus, Dorn, Khan, Lion, Perturabo
4. Corax, Guilliman, Angron, Alpharius/Omegon
5. Fulgrim, Ferrus Manus, Lorgar, Konrad, Mortarion

My list.
Horus is the undisputed champion.
Under that is like a Tier List
Vulkan and Russ being Top Tier
Lorgar and Ferrus being Low Tier

Your list is wrong.