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Hi, Dakka! In your opinion, who is the most powerful of all the Primarchs. I would have to say Horus, because he literally killed the Emperor, and sent his corpse on the Golden Throne. And, if anyone disagrees with me, then another Heresy is coming.... So, what is your opinion?

Alpharius, because everything and anything you know is actually Alpharius in disguise.

How did Alpharius become so famous around Dakka? The Primarch, not the Mod.

I believe it is Horus. When you said powerful I did not think of PHYSICAL power, but power of being.

Horus is the most amiable, probably the most brilliant politician and a very good tactician. In this fashion he can recruit entire armies to fight his armies for him, making him powerful.

Because everyone is Alpharius, including you. You just don't know it yet.

Look at my signature. And, Campbell, I agree totally. Not only did Horus shred the Emperor to pieces, he also shredded his mind.

Solely, by themselves, with no backing from anyone else, I would have to say Magnus the Red.

Magnus the Red is pretty cool, being a Sorcerer of Tzeentch and all. I just think that he wasn't that great.....compared to Horus.

Horus only laid the Emperor low because he had the backing of all four Chaos Gods.

So if you count that, then obviously him.

Discounting that, Magnus the Red overall IMO, physically and martially powerful (Index Astartes says he rivals Russ in that regard, and he was shown to hold his own in A Thousand Sons against him), as well as being the most powerful psyker in the setting short of his father, capable of destroying Titans dwarfing Warlords and tearing apart the surface of Prospero with his power.

Wow, he seriously could do that. I take back what I said about him.

He's still not that great cvompared to Chaos Empowered Horus though, who was undeniably stronger than any other Primarch. So counting him is kinda cheating lol.

Coolyo294 wrote:Because everyone is Alpharius, including you. You just don't know it yet.

lol and there's a 90% chance your fighting an Alpha Legion Army. and the same odds you are playing them as well, no matter what armies on the table.

Magnus the Red. all they way.

Hm 4 votes for him in a few minutes...

I think that this should be more limited to Primarchs BEFORE they became daemon lords and such. And BTW,
The only reason that Horus defeated the Emperor is because he still loved Horus and didnt really want to kill him at first

Coolyo294 wrote:Alpharius, because everything and anything you know is actually Alpharius in disguise.

That doesnt really make you powerful, it just makes you deceptive.

My vote goes to Horus.

My vote goes to Magnus solely on the fact that he can augment his physical prowness with his psychic abilities...

On pure and brutal strength my vote would go to Angorn, he is one crazy kid...

From all the fluff I have read, I would say Horus or Roboute Guilliman

Horus rules! I really don't know about Guilliman...

Canonically, I think I remember reading somewhere that it's actually Sanguinius. For what it's worth.

Since you have Alpharius and Omegon together, they'd probably kill any other primarch. Angron could be distracted by one while the other shoots him in the head from three hundred yards. One could distract Magnus before the other stabs him. And all along, it's not even really them, because they're hypnotizing Tau into engaging in CC against Marines.

Kazerkinelite wrote:

Coolyo294 wrote:Alpharius, because everything and anything you know is actually Alpharius in disguise.

That doesnt really make you powerful, it just makes you deceptive.

My vote goes to Horus.

Knowledge is power, guard it well.

In terms of strength? Angron.

In terms of Psychic abilities? Magnus.

In terms of wit? Alpharius/Omegron

"The most powerful" is a rather broad term. If you mean one who incomapses all of these facts then most likely Horus.

Iranna.

Im gonna go with Magnus the Red

guyperson5 wrote:From all the fluff I have read, I would say Horus or Roboute Guilliman

What fluff gave you the impression Rowboat Girlyman was even middle of the pack as far as Primarchs go? He's the genetically engineered perpetual dictator of Rome. Wait for the 15th of March and stick a dagger in his ribs, "et tu Rogal?"

Horus, followed by Guilliman and Sanguinius.

The most powerful primarch, again?, already?... ok.

Well, I'd argue against Horus. He might have been made the 'Warmaster', but he proved to be highly susceptible to Chaos.

And before the 'Horus almost killed the Emperor' diatribe starts, no, no HE didn't. Horus was infused with the power of all four Chaos gods and the Emperor allowed Horus to hurt him in order to answer the final question about Horus' loyalty and possibility of redemption. He had already lost several sons by that point.

The real inheritor of the Imperium may well have been Guilliman. Yeah, yeah, I know many think he's lame, boring and blue, but still...

Perhaps it was the Emperors will that he 'allowed' him to be so far away to isolate him from the further predations of Chaos. Perhaps the Emperor made Horus Warmaster to further protect Guilliman by enhancing Horus' apparent value to the imperium and therefore to the Chaos gods. The Emperor may have foreseen a crack in Horus and certain other primarchs. Especially after the events which contributed to the 'missing' two legions... whatever they might have been.

I think it is no coincidence that Guilliman had the largest Legion based in a defacto 'empire' of his own.

If you think about it, Guilliman is the most Emperor like Primarch to have existed. Which may contribute to many perceiving him to be a complete ass. We may well see more beneath Guilliman's facade where we are allowed to see his humanity as we had in a recent short story.

In addition, the exact same could be said about Alpharius even though Alpharius approached survival in an entirely different way. Despite the different personalities, Alpharius and Guilliman, as brothers often do, hated each other, but their hearts reside in the same place.

This, and all the other Primarchs seem petty, completely delusional, or both by way of comparison.

Probably Magnus the Red... That or Sanguinius, who Horus said SHOULD have been warmaster iirc.... But after the backing of the chaos gods Horus would have beat them all...

In addition, we don't know how sanguinius would have matched up with the chaos horus if he had been at full strength.

Horus is winning! And, Sanguinius is pretty awesome, almost as awesome as Horus.

Either or both of the unknown Primarches, because Mat Ward will probably write their fluff.

/obligatory Mat Ward reference.

I can't say, for the reason that there are still two Primarches we don't know anything about.

Of the Primarches we do know about, i'm going to say Mortarion, because he has Draigo's name carved into his heart and he still refuses to kill himself out of shame, and instead wears his badge with pride.

I'd like to see any other Primarch live with such a scar.

Okay, seriously this time, Kurze was pretty powerful, seeing as though he ultimately rejected the Chaos Gods, and presumably allowed himself to be assassinated because he knew the consequences of him living - None of the heretic Primarches have regretted their decision (Mortarion probably did the moment he finally recognised who his tattooist was) and have all served the Chaos Gods apart from Kurze, who was strong enough to break their hold over him, if only temporarily, and deprive them of a large asset.

Currently? Magnus or Lorgar. Magnus is the most powerful psyker beneath the Emperor, and now he's a Daemon Prince. Lorgar was a fairly sub-par Primarch that bucked up after Corax, turning into a badass, and now he's a Daemon Prince. Backed by all four Chaos Gods. That's more than any other Primarch, and he would likely only be beaten by Magnus. Truly though, any Daemon Primarch is a safe bet, aside from Mortarion, on who is the strongest.

Huh? Mortarion is awesome...