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Iranna wrote:In terms of strength? Angron.

In terms of Psychic abilities? Magnus.

In terms of wit? Alpharius/Omegron

"The most powerful" is a rather broad term. If you mean one who incomapses all of these facts then most likely Horus.

Iranna.

Horus didn't actually have any demonstrated psychic abilities. Leman Russ has shown more psychic potential than Horus, ironically.

Also, technically, Vulkan and Ferrus Manus were physically stronger than Angron, though Angron was one of the most martially capable Primarchs. In a strictly melee fight, he'd beat most of them, though Corax believes that Horus and "maybe" Sanguinius could beat Angron.

@iproxtaco: Is it ever said that being a Daemon Prince of Chaos Undivided makes you stronger? I guess it would make some sense, but I've never seen it stated.

Without Chaos God support: Magnus, since he's got crazy psychic powers. None of the other Primarchs could really touch him; even Leman Russ, who has an anti-psychic built-in weapon, couldn't win in an even fight. Next in line would probably be Angron, just because his entire life was spent fighting. As in actual fighting, not just surviving in the wilderness and occasionally fighting wild animals. He also was rated one of the top fighters by Corax.

With Chaos God support: Horus, the near-equal of the Emperor.

iproxtaco wrote:Currently? Magnus or Lorgar. Magnus is the most powerful psyker beneath the Emperor, and now he's a Daemon Prince. Lorgar was a fairly sub-par Primarch that bucked up after Corax, turning into a badass, and now he's a Daemon Prince. Backed by all four Chaos Gods. That's more than any other Primarch, and he would likely only be beaten by Magnus. Truly though, any Daemon Primarch is a safe bet, aside from Mortarion, on who is the strongest.

What about Perturabo?

Molten Butter wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:Currently? Magnus or Lorgar. Magnus is the most powerful psyker beneath the Emperor, and now he's a Daemon Prince. Lorgar was a fairly sub-par Primarch that bucked up after Corax, turning into a badass, and now he's a Daemon Prince. Backed by all four Chaos Gods. That's more than any other Primarch, and he would likely only be beaten by Magnus. Truly though, any Daemon Primarch is a safe bet, aside from Mortarion, on who is the strongest.

What about Perturabo?

What about him? He just sits in his fortress all the time and broods.

Coolyo294 wrote:

Molten Butter wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:Currently? Magnus or Lorgar. Magnus is the most powerful psyker beneath the Emperor, and now he's a Daemon Prince. Lorgar was a fairly sub-par Primarch that bucked up after Corax, turning into a badass, and now he's a Daemon Prince. Backed by all four Chaos Gods. That's more than any other Primarch, and he would likely only be beaten by Magnus. Truly though, any Daemon Primarch is a safe bet, aside from Mortarion, on who is the strongest.

What about Perturabo?

What about him? He just sits in his fortress all the time and broods.

I meant that he's in the same boat as Lorgar, since he's an undivided Daemon Prince.

Molten Butter wrote:

Coolyo294 wrote:

Molten Butter wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:Currently? Magnus or Lorgar. Magnus is the most powerful psyker beneath the Emperor, and now he's a Daemon Prince. Lorgar was a fairly sub-par Primarch that bucked up after Corax, turning into a badass, and now he's a Daemon Prince. Backed by all four Chaos Gods. That's more than any other Primarch, and he would likely only be beaten by Magnus. Truly though, any Daemon Primarch is a safe bet, aside from Mortarion, on who is the strongest.

What about Perturabo?

What about him? He just sits in his fortress all the time and broods.

I meant that he's in the same boat as Lorgar, since he's an undivided Daemon Prince.

Doesn't really matter if he is, if, as Coolyo294 said, he sits and broods. No point in how strong you are if you don't really fight...

So Perturabo never fights?

Alpharius disguised as Draigo.

Molten Butter wrote:

Coolyo294 wrote:

Molten Butter wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:Currently? Magnus or Lorgar. Magnus is the most powerful psyker beneath the Emperor, and now he's a Daemon Prince. Lorgar was a fairly sub-par Primarch that bucked up after Corax, turning into a badass, and now he's a Daemon Prince. Backed by all four Chaos Gods. That's more than any other Primarch, and he would likely only be beaten by Magnus. Truly though, any Daemon Primarch is a safe bet, aside from Mortarion, on who is the strongest.

What about Perturabo?

What about him? He just sits in his fortress all the time and broods.

I meant that he's in the same boat as Lorgar, since he's an undivided Daemon Prince.

He's an undivided Daemon Prince, sure that's an achievement, and he's incredibly powerful. However, he just sits in his tower all the time. He never leaves, and the Iron Warrirors are noted for allying with whatever God proves most advantageous. Lorgar worships all four Gods at once, he's their favoured Primarch, actively pursuing their goals in the Warp and gaining his own power.

I dont actually think that Perturabo even opted for a cc battle, since his legion ,pre-heresy, were siege-makers and trench-fighters and pretty much were used for sieges that does not allow much cc. I think Perturabo is more of a strategist than a full-power monster when he is compared with other primarchs such as Sanguinus or Horus etc.

Why isn't Draigo on this list? Can't he beat up all the Primachs with his bear hands?

Horus could easily kill Draigo in a fight.

Sigmar.

Oh, alright, since I've just listened to Raven's Flight, Corax.

Is Corax powerful?

He has the advantage of occasionally approaching warfare from a modern perspective, which is quite an advantage when his fellow primarchs appear mainly to have learned their tactics from the Illiad.

I said Fulgrim.
Mostly because he killed EVERYONE.
Sorta.

Well, who is still Loyal, and still alive?

CpatTom wrote:Well, who is still Loyal, and still alive?

Guilliman is technically still alive, but he'd die the second he came out of his Stasis Bubble.

If Ward cant bring him back, no one can.

CpatTom wrote:Well, who is still Loyal, and still alive?

The Lion and Guilliman. Dorn, Sanguinus, and Ferrus Manus are pretty conclusively dead. Vulkan's status is unclear. Russ, Corax, and Khan all disappeared and therefore we can't be sure.

Ogryn wrote:Horus could easily kill Draigo in a fight.

How do you know? Draigo is undefeated. He makes Chuck Norris crap his pants.

Didn't Russ, Corax, and Khan all go into the Eye of Terror? And yeah, Vulkan is currently MIA.

Well that would be my basis for deciding who "is" the most powerful. Being dead limits a whole lot of stats. I think being loyal would be necessary too.

Now, go back to squabbling over who was the most powerful primarch. (which wasn't the question)

Fulgrim holds record so far for slapping primarchs up. Horus was harder after his after life experience.

Jaghatai Khan, Leman Russ, or Ferrus Manus, because no one said them yet.

But seriously, in a fist fight, and no Chaos Gods interfering, I'd have to say Ferrus, because his hands are kinda friggin' Necron metal.

Then again, I've recently read his fluff, and am hardcore fanboying over him as the only likeable Loyalist Primarch, if you exclude Vulkan and Sanguinius.

That being said, I want to know more about Jaghatai. He seems near-feral. I'd imagine he'd be a ridiculous fighter, and I'd probably vote him, if that was the case/anybody knew anything about him.

EDIT: Forgot to mention, if Alpharius and Omegon count as one Primarch, it's kinda obvious that no matter what, they'd win.

Well, he is after all, the Primarch of the Iron Hands...

Then again, I've recently read his fluff, and am hardcore fanboying over him as the only likeable Loyalist Primarch, if you exclude Vulkan and Sanguinius.

I lol-ed at this. Aramis is the only musketeer if you exclude Athos and Porthos. But I got what you were driving at. It's really no coincidence that the primarchs that could have made the Imperium a less grimdark organization died in the HH.

Leonus Cohol wrote:I said Fulgrim.
Mostly because he killed EVERYONE.
Sorta.

Even himself

Pilau Rice wrote:

Leonus Cohol wrote:I said Fulgrim.
Mostly because he killed EVERYONE.
Sorta.

Even himself

Burn

I wouldn't say Fulgrim killed anyone, more his Laeran sword did; without that daemon weapon, he wouldn't have turned, and wouldn't have been able to kill Ferrus, and by extension, Gulliman.

Leman Russ, if his legion was designed for for executing rogue Space Marine legions. One could conduct he was made to execute the Primarch.

Fulgrim and Horus get a honorable mentioning though.