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Shadowbrand wrote:Leman Russ, if his legion was designed for for executing rogue Space Marine legions

Which they were not.

One could conduct he was made to execute the Primarch.

If his performances against Magnus and the Lion are anything to go by, it makes him a poor candidate for killing other Primarchs. It's been reasoned a few times now, he's average, joint with the Lion, outperformed by Kurze, Sanguinus, Corax, Magnus, Horus and Angron.

Fulgrim and Horus get a honorable mentioning though.

Well that's lovely.

I'm going with Alpharius and Omegon since it seems that they understand that all is fair in war including all underhand sneaky tricks. I find wit to be much more valuable than raw strength

Daemon swords don't kill people. I kill people.

He got beat by a single Grey Knight. It took 100 to beat Angron and his daemons. Which is 7.6 Terminators each.

100 Grey Knights? Angron could kill 'em all!

Ogryn wrote:100 Grey Knights? Angron could kill 'em all!

Well, he didn't. He lost that fight.

OT: I gotta go with Horus, followed by Sanguinius and Magnus.

Sanguinius vs. Horus was unfair, as beloved primarch (Sanguinius) wanst at full strength thanks to Ka'Bandha

thenoobbomb wrote:Sanguinius vs. Horus was unfair, as beloved primarch (Sanguinius) wanst at full strength thanks to Ka'Bandha

I agree, and willingly heading off to fight Horus after everything he had done on the surface was pretty boss. However, from all accounts Horus would still have had the advantage even without the chaos-empowerment.

Yep, the short story years back said that Sanguinuius never stood a chance not matter what. Horus gets my vote anyway.

Beastmaster wrote:I think that this should be more limited to Primarchs BEFORE they became daemon lords and such. And BTW,
The only reason that Horus defeated the Emperor is because he still loved Horus and didnt really want to kill him at first

Which is why he needed two Primarchs and himself to fight Horus? lol

BeefCakeSoup wrote:

Beastmaster wrote:I think that this should be more limited to Primarchs BEFORE they became daemon lords and such. And BTW,
The only reason that Horus defeated the Emperor is because he still loved Horus and didnt really want to kill him at first

Which is why he needed two Primarchs and himself to fight Horus? lol

Where did you get this from? Sanguinius is the only one who fought Horus besides the Emperor and they were separate fights, its not as if Horus was fighting them both off at the same time. Regardless, the fluff goes that once the Emperor decided Horus was beyond saving, he completely annihilated him with a single attack.

define powerful

Ability to crush an opponent with an army?
Power and control over others at their height?
Hand to hand combat?
Resources and influence?
Most dangerous to cross?

I'm going to go with questions 2,4,5 and say the biggest Pappa Smurf, RG.

For the lion!, For the emperor!. Seriously he just wins, he spent his infancy fighting monsters on a death world.

Yes, because that's unusual for a primarch. Angron was in gladiator fights until the Emperor found his rebellion. And the Lion might have been powerful in combat, but he was also a whiny idiot with no understanding of people.

Orblivion wrote:

Ogryn wrote:100 Grey Knights? Angron could kill 'em all!

Well, he didn't. He lost that fight.

OT: I gotta go with Horus, followed by Sanguinius and Magnus.

Nope, they all died, he just got banished in the process. Win.

Lobukia wrote:define powerful

Ability to crush an opponent with an army?
Power and control over others at their height?
Hand to hand combat?
Resources and influence?
Most dangerous to cross?

I'm going to go with questions 2,4,5 and say the biggest Pappa Smurf, RG.

He's outclassed by Horus on all accounts.

Durza wrote:Yes, because that's unusual for a primarch. Angron was in gladiator fights until the Emperor found his rebellion. And the Lion might have been powerful in combat, but he was also a whiny idiot with no understanding of people.

Orblivion wrote:

Ogryn wrote:100 Grey Knights? Angron could kill 'em all!

Well, he didn't. He lost that fight.

OT: I gotta go with Horus, followed by Sanguinius and Magnus.

Nope, they all died, he just got banished in the process. Win.

There were survivors according to 5th edition GK codex.

Two. Against 12 Bloodthirsters and a Daemon Primarch that's not bad considering they were all banished in the end. Angron lost.

Lobukia wrote:define powerful

Ability to crush an opponent with an army?
Power and control over others at their height?
Hand to hand combat?
Resources and influence?
Most dangerous to cross?

I'm going to go with questions 2,4,5 and say the biggest Pappa Smurf, RG.

Fair points, and there's also the fact that his ideas continue to influence a huge number of Space Marines. I don't know about in a battle royal, but in terms of influence I'd say Guilliman was a contender.

Just for resources and influence, I'd have to say Horus still. While some Primarchs resented him having the title Warmaster Horus or someone loyal to him brought them onside, while others acknowledged he deserved the mantle. That kind of influence makes him the most powerful, and as was shown, most dangerous

Orblivion wrote:There were survivors according to 5th edition GK codex.

iproxtaco wrote:Two. Against 12 Bloodthirsters and a Daemon Primarch that's not bad considering they were all banished in the end. Angron lost.

At least ten survivors according to the Imperialis Armageddon. The 5E Codex mentions the war, but rather than go into the numbers Matt Ward seems far more interested in detailing how the Inquisition tracked down human survivors afterwards. However he did give some names - Mordrak, Stern, Caddon Varn, Dherk Tevghar and Crowe amongst them. GM Mandullis from the GK novels was supposedly a survivor too but I'm a bit suspicious of that one...

Hm, Horus is winning!

iproxtaco wrote:

Lobukia wrote:define powerful

Ability to crush an opponent with an army?
Power and control over others at their height?
Hand to hand combat?
Resources and influence?
Most dangerous to cross?

I'm going to go with questions 2,4,5 and say the biggest Pappa Smurf, RG.

He's outclassed by Horus on all accounts.

How do you figure? Might be able to make a close case on item 1 and 5 (I'd tip them slightly to Horus... maybe), I give you item 3 for Horus... other 2 are not close

At his height RG directly commanded more marines, guardsmen, and ships than Horus

Before his death RG would have conquered/commanded more planets than Horus

More people would have served under RG's rule and for longer than Horus

More weapons and arms would have been built under RG guidance than Horus

And it would be fair to say the RG's lasting influence is at least as significant as Horus...

If you take RG at Horus's death, sure... but RG lasts way longer and does way more after ole Black-armored Backstab dies... making him more Powerful

Horus killed the Emperor?

Edit: Who put a question mark on the teleprompter.

Well, the Emperor is half dead, half alive, due to the Golden Throne, which keeps him alive.

Horus put the Emperor on the life support machine that is failing. In the American justice system, Horus would be tried for the murder of the Emperor, even though the Emperor is still "alive" (among other charges).

Side note, I just imagined Horus on an episode of Law and Order in a little suit over his spiky power armour. Jack McCoy for the win, and the jury finds: guilty!

Horus.

Anyone that says different is in denial.

Kronk has spoken.

Yes, I agree.

Well if there's no gods or demon swords or anything like on them lines then. Probally lion would whoop them all naturally. The powers and weapons are what make the primarch. And its horus and the emperor that would snap all the other primarchs. Horus pulls arms of the emperor just image what he'd do to rest of them.

Russ was the only one able to match the emperor in single combat, so I vote him, or magnus, or sanguinius.

Chaos gods make you a hacker lol

CpatTom wrote:Daemon swords don't kill people.

Rappers do

Horus is the most powerful easily, look how many of his brothers he bought under his banner to betray the Emperor. Look at how many wars he won, look how the people loved him. He might not have been the strongest or the fastest or the most psychic, but being truly powerful goes beyond that.

That's why he was made Warmaster and no one else.