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against all the other tech Space Marines bring to the field?

Hellfire missiles, G2G missiles, MLRS, we've got a lot

Titans, against Psykers, against Super-heavies

tactical nuclear weapons work nicely. failing that Strategic weapons.


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Your point fails. Neither country is capable of enlisting it's entire adult population, even during peace-time, let alone when facing a force as dominating as the Imperium.

The earth is being invaded by aliens and you don't think they're going to call up everyone that's able? Hell most of the american population already has some form of rifle.

Besides china and america along have nearly 4 million ACTIVE duty personell. and that's just america and china, not even mentioning russia, france, germany, israel, sweden, Britan, or a slew of a LOT of other first class armies. It's going to take a lot more than just 10 million

@ gendoikari87, Quit cherry-picking.

ObliviousBlueCaboose wrote:@ gendoikari87, Quit cherry-picking.

Hey, i'm not the one rejecting GW official books as cannon. Quit being Space marine Fanboys.

gendoikari87 wrote:

against all the other tech Space Marines bring to the field?

Hellfire missiles, G2G missiles, MLRS, we've got a lot

Explained before, any sort of long-range tactical coordination is gone within a few days, be it by Orbital bombardment, or Orbital insertions. No one is going to drop a few cruise missiles on the Earth's most important locations.

Titans, against Psykers, against Super-heavies

tactical nuclear weapons work nicely. failing that Strategic weapons.

Ah of course! We'll Nuke ourselves! Not an option, see previous reasons as to why any of this kind of tactical response is gone within a few days. Anyway, even if we could, by that point I think it would be fairly obvious the situation is hopeless and we've lost.


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gendoikari87 wrote:

ObliviousBlueCaboose wrote:@ gendoikari87, Quit cherry-picking.

Hey, i'm not the one rejecting GW official books as cannon. Quit being Space marine Fanboys.

GW doesn't have a thing called canon.

Lol? They still can't feasibly call up the entire adult population, especially not with numbers like that, it's literally impossible for reasons already given.

gendoikari87 wrote:

ObliviousBlueCaboose wrote:@ gendoikari87, Quit cherry-picking.

Hey, i'm not the one rejecting GW official books as cannon. Quit being Space marine Fanboys.

Hey neither am I. Infact i'm using the rulebooks. If you read my post you'd know that, and i've never once mention Space marines. So quit being illogical super patriot 'Murican!

This is still goin?

I believe I already made this point a while back.

Then why are you still arguing?

I enjoy it.

forruner_mercy wrote:This is still goin?

I like poking at the faboys who know nothing about war and think Marines are "THE ROXORS!!" When the guys that write this stuff even don't know anything about real military tech or tactics.

gendoikari87 wrote:

forruner_mercy wrote:This is still goin?

I like poking at the faboys who know nothing about war and think Marines are "THE ROXORS!!" When the guys that write this stuff even don't know anything about real military tech or tactics.

Mate do you even read posts. If you truely believe the Earth could hold out against the IoM, I got a bridge to sell you...

Also i hate the Space Marines. Which is why i play and read imperial guard.

Explained before, any sort of long-range tactical coordination is gone within a few days, be it by Orbital bombardment, or Orbital insertions. No one is going to drop a few cruise missiles on the Earth's most important locations.

You do realize not all weapons are GPS guided and not all are visible from space right, and that's assuming the imprium has space ships, which kind of negates the ground war to start with.

Hey neither am I. Infact i'm using the rulebooks. If you read my post you'd know that, and i've never once mention Space marines. So quit being illogical super patriot 'Murican!

Quit being an illogical GW fanboy!

Mate do you even read posts. If you truely believe the Earth could hold out against the IoM, I got a bridge to sell you...

No, but only because they have space ships. No other reason.


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Ah of course! We'll Nuke ourselves! Not an option, see previous reasons as to why any of this kind of tactical response is gone within a few days. Anyway, even if we could, by that point I think it would be fairly obvious the situation is hopeless and we've lost.

Do you even know what a tactical warhead is? They aren't GPS, or silo based, most of them aren't even guided.


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ObliviousBlueCaboose wrote:

gendoikari87 wrote:

forruner_mercy wrote:This is still goin?

I like poking at the faboys who know nothing about war and think Marines are "THE ROXORS!!" When the guys that write this stuff even don't know anything about real military tech or tactics.

Mate do you even read posts. If you truely believe the Earth could hold out against the IoM, I got a bridge to sell you...

Also i hate the Space Marines. Which is why i play and read imperial guard.

Do ANY of you read mine, I already showed what the armor equivalent was of the land raider, and how it stacks up to modern weapons. Which by extrapolation, can then be used for the rest of the imperium.

@ gendoikari87 - Do you play 40k at all?

Colonel Dakura wrote:@ gendoikari87 - Do you play 40k at all?

Imperial Guard yes.

Okay, So limitless numbers of men armed with superior armor and weapons doesn't matter. Or people who can explode your head with their mind. Not being a fanboy, being realistic.


And actually i'm starting to believe you don't actually know any thing about the military. The only way to control an area is with boots on the ground. By your logic having air/space superiority would have meant the US didn't need troops in Vietnam. Or Iraq or Iraq II. I'm so glad we have such skilled military genius such as you in command, i mean other wise we'd have to actually have troops in Iraq...

gendoikari87 wrote:

Explained before, any sort of long-range tactical coordination is gone within a few days, be it by Orbital bombardment, or Orbital insertions. No one is going to drop a few cruise missiles on the Earth's most important locations.

You do realize not all weapons are GPS guided and not all are visible from space right, and that's assuming the imprium has space ships, which kind of negates the ground war to start with.

Yeah, it was me who went and wrote a whole paragraph detailing how TERCOM systems work. That wasn't why we'd have no air or missile support. We'd have none because any sort of place that has the capability to fire them will be targeted by orbiting ships via bombardment or troop insertion, or the hot-spots will be exactly where we don't want to fire Tomahawk missiles at.
Yes, they would have ships. How do you think they got to Earth in first place?

Hey neither am I. Infact i'm using the rulebooks. If you read my post you'd know that, and i've never once mention Space marines. So quit being illogical super patriot 'Murican!

Quit being an illogical GW fanboy!

Yay, we're fanboys because we disagree with you. Not really. The Imperium has crushed countless worlds like ours in the past.

Oh, so you're basing your entire argument by "extrapolating" from an already contradicted piece of information. You just lost the argument.

Also, a single tactical nuke wouldn't even kill a Warlord class titan.

I agree with ObliviousBlueCaboose. Also @ gendoikari87 - I think you might be happier playing Call of Duty, of Flames of War.

ObliviousBlueCaboose wrote:Okay, So limitless numbers of men armed with superior armor and weapons doesn't matter. Or people who can explode your head with their mind. Not being a fanboy, being realistic.


And actually i'm starting to believe you don't actually know any thing about the military. The only way to control an area is with boots on the ground. By your logic having air/space superiority would have meant the US didn't need troops in Vietnam. Or Iraq or Iraq II. I'm so glad we have such skilled military genius such as you in command, i mean other wise we'd have to actually have troops in Iraq...

when you have the ability to raize a planet to the ground boots on the ground don't matter when your goal is total conquest. You can basically hold them at gunpoint until they submit. Iraq, Vietnam, and the like, our goal was not to completely conquor nor did we want to raise the nations to the ground, kinda get bad rep for that in the international community.


If they are truely limited then yes, they will, however that is not what i'm arguing, what i'm arguing is this insane notion that the IG and space marines are "THE HAXORS AWESOME" when anyone with any real military experience knows just how outlandish most of the marines style and equipment is, and the guard aren't much better in terms of actual tech than WWII era soldiers with assault rifles. Plasma guns? HA, plasma repels itself and dissipates quickly. Now, the guards missile launchers, autocannons, assault rifles and tactics, are at least reasonable however they might be as well trained but excluding lascannons, they are outdated or their tech is a joke concieved by people who know nothing about how gak actually works, and the only reason it's believable that they stand a chance against tyrannids, orks and eldar, is A) rule of cool, B) the other races tech is even more outlandishly stupid. Save maybe for tau who at least have tactics figured out.


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Yay, we're fanboys because we disagree with you. Not really. The Imperium has crushed countless worlds like ours in the past.

yeah because they can crush under weight of numbers, when the guard mobilize for campaigns they aren't numbered in millions but billions.

Oh, so you're basing your entire argument by "extrapolating" from an already contradicted piece of information. You just lost the argument.

yeah and your information is WAY more contradictory, inconsistent, and untrustworth.

I agree with ObliviousBlueCaboose. Also @ gendoikari87 - I think you might be happier playing Call of Duty, of Flames of War.

Nah, Flames f war doesn't have 8foot tall guys with giant freaking swords. I'm just smart enough to realize that's not a good way to wage war, no matter how cool it is.

gendoikari87 wrote:

ObliviousBlueCaboose wrote:Okay, So limitless numbers of men armed with superior armor and weapons doesn't matter. Or people who can explode your head with their mind. Not being a fanboy, being realistic.


And actually i'm starting to believe you don't actually know any thing about the military. The only way to control an area is with boots on the ground. By your logic having air/space superiority would have meant the US didn't need troops in Vietnam. Or Iraq or Iraq II. I'm so glad we have such skilled military genius such as you in command, i mean other wise we'd have to actually have troops in Iraq...

when you have the ability to raize a planet to the ground boots on the ground don't matter when your goal is total conquest. You can basically hold them at gunpoint until they submit. Iraq, Vietnam, and the like, our goal was not to completely conquor nor did we want to raise the nations to the ground, kinda get bad rep for that in the international community.


If they are truely limited then yes, they will, however that is not what i'm arguing, what i'm arguing is this insane notion that the IG and space marines are "THE HAXORS AWESOME" when anyone with any real military experience knows just how outlandish most of the marines style and equipment is, and the guard aren't much better in terms of actual tech than WWII era soldiers with assault rifles. Plasma guns? HA, plasma repels itself and dissipates quickly. Now, the guards missile launchers, autocannons, assault rifles and tactics, are at least reasonable however they might be as well trained but excluding lascannons, they are outdated or their tech is a joke concieved by people who know nothing about how gak actually works, and the only reason it's believable that they stand a chance against tyrannids, orks and eldar, is A) rule of cool, B) the other races tech is even more outlandishly stupid. Save maybe for tau who at least have tactics figured out.

In other words, US Military is better because Warhammer 40k is a SCI-FI universe, and has SCI-FI weapons, and since you want to transplant them into reality, none of them actually work. Good job mate, good job.

So you're arguing that it can't compare because you simply don't like the fiction? You lost the argument when you said you based it on an "extrapolation" of an already contradicted piece of information, but jesus.

iproxtaco wrote:So you're arguing that it can't compare because you simply don't like the fiction? You lost the argument when you said you based it on an "extrapolation" of an already contradicted piece of information, but jesus.

YOUR INFORMATION IS JUST AS CONTRADICTORY I SWEAR IT"S LIKE TALKING TO REPUBLICANS!! I take it you deny global warming too!

Skal098 wrote:The only shot earth would have at delaying/annoying the imperium is in the worlds collective air force, 40k universe has crap for air support, and most of the nations with a decent military all believe that air superiority=win.

Which is gonna do jack, what with they have starships and all.
Besides, Lightnings dont seem to be terrible by modern standard.
Their air to ground attack capability is much better than ours.

gendoikari87 wrote:

Yay, we're fanboys because we disagree with you. Not really. The Imperium has crushed countless worlds like ours in the past.

yeah because they can crush under weight of numbers, when the guard mobilize for campaigns they aren't numbered in millions but billions.

Billions? Not too sure about that one. In fact, I've NEVER heard of them being mobilized for any old campaign in the billions. Even Heresy-era Crusade Fleets had no where near these kinds of numbers, but they still conquered planets like ours, probably hundreds of them.

Oh, so you're basing your entire argument by "extrapolating" from an already contradicted piece of information. You just lost the argument.

yeah and your information is WAY more contradictory, inconsistent, and untrustworth.

Go one, detail how this info is like how you say.

gendoikari87 wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:So you're arguing that it can't compare because you simply don't like the fiction? You lost the argument when you said you based it on an "extrapolation" of an already contradicted piece of information, but jesus.

YOUR INFORMATION IS JUST AS CONTRADICTORY I SWEAR IT"S LIKE TALKING TO REPUBLICANS!! I take it you deny global warming too!

Global warming as prophesized by that nutter over there is gobshit. It's the earths natural warming up and cooling down cycle it's always had, we have no hand in it.

But lets not get into a enviromental discussion here, cause you clearly aren't up for that.

Whats a "THE HAXORS AWESOME"?

See how can you say outdated? If the weapons are outdated how come we don't have any lasguns? You don't know what the exact specification are, how they perform or really anything. And plasma guns are highly effective in fluff, which may mean they have discovered a may to use it effectively.

gendoikari87 wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:So you're arguing that it can't compare because you simply don't like the fiction? You lost the argument when you said you based it on an "extrapolation" of an already contradicted piece of information, but jesus.

YOUR INFORMATION IS JUST AS CONTRADICTORY I SWEAR IT"S LIKE TALKING TO REPUBLICANS!! I take it you deny global warming too!

So you admit your info is contradictory? I disagree that mine is, but it's nice to see you concede the argument for a third time.

Do the imperial fighters even have missiles? That's the one area the imperium outclasses real world otherwise.


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iproxtaco wrote:

gendoikari87 wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:So you're arguing that it can't compare because you simply don't like the fiction? You lost the argument when you said you based it on an "extrapolation" of an already contradicted piece of information, but jesus.

YOUR INFORMATION IS JUST AS CONTRADICTORY I SWEAR IT"S LIKE TALKING TO REPUBLICANS!! I take it you deny global warming too!

So you admit your info is contradictory? I disagree that mine is, but it's nice to see you concede the argument for a third time.

MY sources are consistent with themselves, they only contradict yours. YOUR information contradicts itself. Mines also actually from GW. YOUR's is from fans that got published, which isn't much more reliable than most fanworks.

gendoikari87 wrote:Do the imperial fighters even have missiles? That's the one area the imperium outclasses real world otherwise.

They fly as fast as our jet fighters, whilst armoured like a Leman Russ. Yes they have missiles, they have lascannons, and don't need air-strips.
So it's like every area of military tech with the Imperium, generally better than what we have.

See how can you say outdated? If the weapons are outdated how come we don't have any lasguns? You don't know what the exact specification are, how they perform or really anything. And plasma guns are highly effective in fluff, which may mean they have discovered a may to use it effectively.

Even their desriptions in the fluff show how useless they are, they're only worth using because they're cool. Otherwise the same can be done cheaper with other methods, that don't give away your position, and/or require getting close.

gendoikari87 wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:

gendoikari87 wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:So you're arguing that it can't compare because you simply don't like the fiction? You lost the argument when you said you based it on an "extrapolation" of an already contradicted piece of information, but jesus.

YOUR INFORMATION IS JUST AS CONTRADICTORY I SWEAR IT"S LIKE TALKING TO REPUBLICANS!! I take it you deny global warming too!

So you admit your info is contradictory? I disagree that mine is, but it's nice to see you concede the argument for a third time.

MY sources are consistent with themselves, they only contradict yours. YOUR information contradicts itself. Mines also actually from GW. YOUR's is from fans that got published, which isn't much more reliable than most fanworks.

Now you're doubling back on yourself and just making stuff up. But again, how do my sources contradict each other?