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'Cause, it'll be amusing if it turns out the one on the right is Finecost.

Either way, the fact that you can't really tell the difference shows how the 'they have more detail!' line of thinking is a load of nonsense.

I'll bet it against a failcost fan, if they win, they get the failcost wolf guy
if I win, they give me the failcost wolf guy

(aww sounds like I lose even if I win T-T )

Also I was like the first person on the internet to tell everyone how the unprimed metal reflects light hence
why it tricks the eye to think its less detailed.

Hmph HBMC ignoring my PM...

Sidstyler wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:My local store had more Finecast miscasts in half a year than metal and plastic miscasts in 10+ years.

Well clearly that just makes you a hyperbolic crybaby GW hater.

Right?

Yeah, exactly. feth you and your consumer rights, you whiny little bitch!

*Does a quick Google image search for a crying child to humiliate my opponent and to prove to everyone that I'm totally more mature and laid back about my hobby than they are.*

My "opponent"?! What is this internet mortal combat?

I wrote this

The statement is entirely subjective. I think I got a good deal when I get ten space marines off ebay for three quid, my missus thinks I got ripped off.

Your "right" as a customer is that of choice. You either buy something or you don't, that's your decision.

I personally wont buy any Finecast models at the moment because an unusually high percentage of their models are flawed, thats my decision. Three days ago I ordered a Scibor mini for my TDA libby instead of the finecast one due to me using Wayland Games and I'm too lazy to send it back and mess around if it happens to arrive heavily flawed, but it has cost me £5.17 more (17.50 instead of the GW Librarian at 12.33)

If I got a well made FC TDA librarian model for my money, I personally would be very happy with it.

And then you went ape gak and for some bizarre reason got personally offended..

We're all apparently "overreacting", and despite the fact that he himself has stated multiple times he won't buy it because he's not satisfied with the quality, apparently those of us who ARE buying it and also aren't satisfied are expecting too much, acting entitled, and whatever other bs GW white knights spew out to make the point that we're all whiny, crying children for expecting a ridiculously expensive product to have some kind of quality control to ensure you get something that doesn't belong in the fething garbage.

Even though I just said I wasnt buying any finecast?!

Simply because I pointed out the obvious fact, that some people do feel that they have got what they paid for, and some people don't- which is an absolute 100% verifiable fact, because not every finecast model is a fethed one, and thousands of people have bought and kept models, and even some people (in this thread as well) have said how happy they are with them.

The reason I then engaged in a bit of gentle ribbing was because I find your overreaction and fury amusing. I clearly stated my point, that your feeling of satisfaction or lack of is subjective, a model that is more than reasonable to one person is worthy of return to another. I clearly stated I personally think FC has issues and I refuse to buy any, but you went off the deep-end and decided I was a a white knight "spewing bs"

The fact is your analogy's are ridiculous, its a 28mm model, its not "omg! Imagine buying a car with no engine!" or "Omg! Imagine buying a bed but instead of a mattress it has a giant hessian sack filled with gravel and smashed glass!" Its a fething plastic toy soldier, and a great many of them have at least something that needs doing to them, even if its just ten seconds slicing a bit of flash off a joint.

But lets not derail the thread again eh? I told Puma I was just yanking some chains, and I am in full agreement with many of the things you and the other GWs detractors have said, evidenced by my initial statement, that I didn't buy a finecast model and paid for a slightly more expensive Scibor one due to the current issues with finecast! So lets just leave it at that eh?




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LunaHound wrote:

LunaHound wrote:
Here you go, tell me im wrong

I'll bet it against a failcost fan, if they win, they get the failcost wolf guy
if I win, they give me the failcost wolf guy

(aww sounds like I lose even if I win T-T )

Also I was like the first person on the internet to tell everyone how the unprimed metal reflects light hence
why it tricks the eye to think its less detailed.

You know how I was saying that people are avoiding the middle ground on this issue?

Isnt it enough to simply say that you can barely tell the difference at all between the models?

I mean, you really cant. Clearly the "enhanced detail" line is nonsense.

But some of the comments on that pic are ridiculous as well, I mean.. "looks like a sandwich"?!

mattyrm wrote:But some of the comments on that pic are ridiculous as well, I mean.. "looks like a sandwich"?!

That might be an important detail in GW's marketing to hungry gamers.

mattyrm wrote: You know how I was saying that people are avoiding the middle ground on this issue?

Isnt it enough to simply say that you can barely tell the difference at all between the models?

I mean, you really cant. Clearly the "enhanced detail" line is nonsense.

But some of the comments on that pic are ridiculous as well, I mean.. "looks like a sandwich"?!

I am me, I dont avoid things. Why should I say " i can barely tell the difference" when you are the one that cant tell the difference?
I sure can tell the difference, I even went through the trouble to photoshop the analysis.

Yes it looks like a sandwhich, maybe my red arrow blocked it, but if you compare it to the original pic, you'll see what im talking about.

My eyes are sharp, and I trust it.

Doesn't look like a very tasty sandwich.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Doesn't look like a very tasty sandwich.

OH FFS HBMC!!!!!!!

the sandwich is the part between his gauntlet and his storm bolter!!!!
the metal one has a nice smooth edge, the left one looks like wobbly layers of 4 stacked together
hence I call it sandwhich!!!!

Certainly you can also see the rest of the analysis? other than the sandwhich?

LunaHound wrote:

mattyrm wrote: You know how I was saying that people are avoiding the middle ground on this issue?

Isnt it enough to simply say that you can barely tell the difference at all between the models?

I mean, you really cant. Clearly the "enhanced detail" line is nonsense.

But some of the comments on that pic are ridiculous as well, I mean.. "looks like a sandwich"?!

I am me, I dont avoid things. Why should I say " i can barely tell the difference" when you are the one that cant tell the difference?
I sure can tell the difference, I even went through the trouble to photoshop the analysis.

Yes it looks like a sandwhich, maybe my red arrow blocked it, but if you compare it to the original pic, you'll see what im talking about.

My eyes are sharp, and I trust it.

Oh come on Luna, my eyes are sharp as well.. I could blow the Gonads off a mosquito from 500 yards!

The models look as near enough for it to matter, identical. Thus, I am on your side of this argument!

Clearly Finecast is no more detailed than metal. But some of the things you have pointed to just look the same to the naked eye, which is all you need models to be good for! If they are on a tabletop you cant magnify the model to x8 magnification with your mk1 eyeballs so it makes no difference right? What do you mean by lack of pressure as well by the way? I dont see any difference between the end of the Stormbolter.


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LunaHound wrote:
the sandwich is the part between his gauntlet and his storm bolter!!!!
the metal one has a nice smooth edge, the left one looks like wobbly layers of 4 stacked together
hence I call it sandwhich!!!!

Certainly you can also see the rest of the analysis? other than the sandwhich?

Oh ok.. makes a bit more sense now.

As I said though. The point that they look totally identical anyway is enough right?

mattyrm wrote:

LunaHound wrote:

mattyrm wrote: You know how I was saying that people are avoiding the middle ground on this issue?

Isnt it enough to simply say that you can barely tell the difference at all between the models?

I mean, you really cant. Clearly the "enhanced detail" line is nonsense.

But some of the comments on that pic are ridiculous as well, I mean.. "looks like a sandwich"?!

I am me, I dont avoid things. Why should I say " i can barely tell the difference" when you are the one that cant tell the difference?
I sure can tell the difference, I even went through the trouble to photoshop the analysis.

Yes it looks like a sandwhich, maybe my red arrow blocked it, but if you compare it to the original pic, you'll see what im talking about.

My eyes are sharp, and I trust it.

Oh come on Luna, my eyes are sharp as well.. I could blow the Gonads off a mosquito from 500 yards!

The models look as near enough for it to matter, identical. Thus, I am on your side of this argument!

Clearly Finecast is no more detailed than metal. But some of the things you have pointed to just look the same to the naked eye, which is all you need models to be good for! If they are on a tabletop you cant magnify the model to x8 magnification with your mk1 eyeballs so it makes no difference right? What do you mean by lack of pressure as well by the way? I dont see any difference between the end of the Stormbolter.

What on earth? You REALLY REALLY REALLY couldnt tell the difference between the 2?

Is there something wrong with everyone's monitor or something?
You say there is no difference, yet what is the difference I pointed out?
There is "no side" to my "argument" atm I have no interest in sides, I only have interest in pointing out the difference.

So its the difference that shows metal and FC are different.
And its the difference that shows why metal is better ( well atleast even in this picture )

LunaHound wrote:
Is there something wrong with everyone's monitor or something?
You say there is no difference, yet what is the difference I pointed out?
There is "no side" to my "argument" atm I have no interest in sides, I only have interest in pointing out the difference.

So its the difference that shows metal and FC are different.
And its the difference that shows why metal is better ( well atleast even in this picture )

Hey, my point was simply that I think they are close enough to make it of no consequence at all, but if you genuinelly can see large differences then we shall agree to disagree, I don't have your eyeballs.

I must be getting old...

mattyrm wrote:

I must be getting old...

-_- dont say that..... Im going to paint more on it, just make sure when i upload it , you magnify it atleast 200% ( so atleast we are seeing the samething )

Also, you really should have the original picture also at 200% as a reference, so you can see it without my distraction arrows as well

I love how we argued over whether part of a model looked like a sandwich. Truly we have evolved as a people.

H.B.M.C. wrote:I love how we argued over whether part of a model looked like a sandwich. Truly we have evolved as a people.

gak, since I started using this website I have arrived at the startling realisation that we can argue about almost anything.

H.B.M.C. wrote:I love how we argued over whether part of a model looked like a sandwich. Truly we have evolved as a people.

Are you making fun of me??!

anyways, have both my version + original version side by side, both at 200%.... ( PS there is a chance dakka resize it, right click view image for full size )
cant miss the details now
Also, there is no point saying which is better according to this pic, for all we know I could be wrong about which side is what material.
The only thing that is not wrong is the difference been pointed out.

It looks like you should be wearing 3D glasses to view it.

On a sandwich related note, because some red crosses the green above the axe, I thought it said ..

"SALAD TO THE VERY EDGE"

mattyrm wrote: "SALAD TO THE VERY EDGE"

I bet GW are going to rename "Blood Red" to "Tomato Red" now... I dread to think about the problems this will cause when armies of people who pronounce tomato differently to one another get online...

F your salad you two....

you guys are so mean letting my efforts ( and talent ) go to waste....

It's not that hard to read if you can focus on specific colours.

I like how the right is leaning forward as if charging, but the left looks undecided but his legs want to anyway.

I...I...I see the sandwich!

Also I agree with n0t_u, but whether it was fail posed like that intentionally for this comparison, I do not know.

I can't see any real difference between those models.

Finecast warning, to finecast hate, to whiteknight bashing, to sandwich bashng...
This thread really has gone OT.

Luna wins +1 internetz for comedy captions (but now I want both a banana and a sammich).

I don't think there's *enough* difference between the two that I really care about either one having a finer level of detail.

But, I do care about having to return models (my nearest GW store is a half-hour drive + £2 parking fee -- not enormously far, but I don't fancy having to do that three or four times to get a decent sculpt). And I certainly care about time taken to fix faults. I don't really enjoy pinning metal models. I REALLY don't enjoy fixing a problem on any models (i.e. Finecast). I do quite enjoy sculpting. So, on balance, my preferences for new GW character figures are:

1) Convert existing plastic pieces, using Green Stuff if need be to add more, personalised detail.

2) Buy second-hand metal on eBay.

3) There is no (3). Why take the time fixing someone else's poor work (FC) when I could be creating my own for the same amount of effort? Not gonna happen.

Its also easier to strip paint off metal than resin.

The value for used model just depreciated for FC.
so smart GW!

Sort of is actually in a way. I mean the less times you can resell it the less they lose out on those resales.


*Goes jumps in a fire*

n0t_u wrote:Sort of is actually in a way. I mean the less times you can resell it the less they lose out on those resales.


*Goes jumps in a fire*

*meow, hops along

Luna, why didn't you point out any of the miscast problems on his legs or the gap where the axehead was placed? The finecast one has poor edges and textures on the legs and feet.

Holy hell. I walk away for a night, and look what happens in this thread!

Luna, +100 internets to you for the picture. -200 internets, however, since I had to clean coffee out of my laptop's keyboard.

Anyway, as to the original picture - to those of who you said that the Finecast was on the left, congratulations! You're correct!

On that note, I find it hilarious that the reason why people could pick out the FC model by, basically, its flaws.

SlaveToDorkness wrote:

Sounds like you prime too heavily then. I prime with an airbrush and can totally see a difference. If priming your model changes the level of detail, you're doing it wrong.

Given some of the tests here on dakka, not really.

You have to be careful with FW models (any other resin for that matter) as well. FC models at least have some give to them. FW models break a lot easier. Also resin is lighter so is less prone to breakage if dropped. I've dropped my Huron model twice and it just bounced. Metal would have broken all over the place.

Depends on the glue you use. I've used zzap gap and sometimes no they dont break at all. If your using that crappy GW glue its not going to hold.

I also dont have to worry about warpage from pressure, as shown around here as you can with fincast.

I meant the production of them improves over time, not the life of the models themselves. I know mine will be in my case safe and sound.

Unless they deteriorate. No one knows in 10-20 years what will happen as they do metal.

They have had a year, with new models. No improvement as of yet. How much more time do they need?

That's not what I said. Please try and read my posts. There is a sacrifice between mass produced models and higher quality models. Like Forgeworld models. More expensive, more work, more delicate but more detail. Like with historicals. There are a ton of aftermarket add-on parts you can put on a standard kit to make it more realistic. Most of these are harder to work with and require more care than the typical straight out of the box mass-produced kit.

No there isnt. Look at the plastic range. You cant possibly be saying because of mass production you dont get a good high quality.

Fine cast is NOT higher quality as of yet. IF and thats a big if, you can get a perfect model like you could in metal its good. But they cant or wont do so as of yet.

mattyrm wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:I love how we argued over whether part of a model looked like a sandwich. Truly we have evolved as a people.

gak, since I started using this website I have arrived at the startling realisation that we can argue about almost anything.

No we can't! STFU!

I don't have an issue with either space wolf being shown here. They look very similar. The only thing that would take any time to fix is the sole of his right show (Stage Left). And that would be hidden by the sand flocking I use, anyway.

However, I have seen some very crappy Finecast in person and with my friends models. I really hope this "phantom email" the original poster is talking about is true and it leads to improved QC.