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 lcmiracle wrote:
Well give me a citation where the sisters weren't accompanying the 800 years old imperial saint ascendant?

Also, weren't the sororitas supposed to be watching the ecclesiarchy? Or were they just so over joyed in their whatevers that for 800 years never once had they suspected a thing?

Absence of evidence, in this case, is evidence of absence.

Sisters are fluffed as being incorruptible. It's one of their defining traits. If Basilius had corrupted Sisters, it would have been gloating about it.

And yes, the Sisters are tasked to watch the Ecclesiarchy to make sure this stuff doesn't happen.

However, you know how there is one Space Marine for every planet in the Imperium, give or take?

Yeah, Space Marines outnumber Sisters. So... they can't be everywhere, especially since they gather in convents. The Sisterhood does its best, but they simply don't have the resources to police the entire Imperium. That's how things like Basilius slip through the cracks.

Roughly how many SoB are there, actually?

Depends on the source;

Codex: Sisters of Battle: About 10,000

Codex: Witch Hunters: About 20,000

Dark Heresy: About 15,000 in the Calixis Sector.

Codex: ADepta Sororitas: About 25,000.

 Furyou Miko wrote:

 lcmiracle wrote:
Well give me a citation where the sisters weren't accompanying the 800 years old imperial saint ascendant?

Also, weren't the sororitas supposed to be watching the ecclesiarchy? Or were they just so over joyed in their whatevers that for 800 years never once had they suspected a thing?

Absence of evidence, in this case, is evidence of absence.

Sisters are fluffed as being incorruptible. It's one of their defining traits. If Basilius had corrupted Sisters, it would have been gloating about it.

And yes, the Sisters are tasked to watch the Ecclesiarchy to make sure this stuff doesn't happen.

However, you know how there is one Space Marine for every planet in the Imperium, give or take?

Yeah, Space Marines outnumber Sisters. So... they can't be everywhere, especially since they gather in convents. The Sisterhood does its best, but they simply don't have the resources to police the entire Imperium. That's how things like Basilius slip through the cracks.

Am I to take your argument as incorruptibiness grants immunity to negligence of one's duty? The champion of the holy church to fail to weed out a taint amongst their own ranks? To allow an agent of Chaos seed in the heart of the Imperium, reign upon Terra itself?
The arrogance of excessive zeal... Purity does not grant clarity, and your ignorance of those you serve does not aid in your vigilance.
More importantly of course, is just how effective a watcher the sisterhood is; 800 years of well, having someone so close to darkness in high place (Segmentum Solar), granted, can happen -- but shouldn't

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Depends on the source;

Codex: Sisters of Battle: About 10,000

Codex: Witch Hunters: About 20,000

Dark Heresy: About 15,000 in the Calixis Sector.

Codex: ADepta Sororitas: About 25,000.

Wow, that's not a lot.

lcmiracle wrote:
Am I to take your argument as incorruptibiness grants immunity to negligence of one's duty? The champion of the holy church to fail to weed out a taint amongst their own ranks? To allow an agent of Chaos seed in the heart of the Imperium, reign upon Terra itself?
The arrogance of excessive zeal... Purity does not grant clarity, and your ignorance of those you serve does not aid in your vigilance.
More importantly of course, is just how effective a watcher the sisterhood is; 800 years of well, having someone so close to darkness in high place (Segmentum Solar), granted, can happen -- but shouldn't

Those who live in grass houses shouldn't stow thrones.

BrotherHaraldus wrote:

Wow, that's not a lot.

Nope. It's amusing when you realise that even though we're the most under-represented faction in the player base... we're still disproportionately represented when compared to the fluff.

Not compared to Space Wolves players.

 Furyou Miko wrote:

 lcmiracle wrote:
Well give me a citation where the sisters weren't accompanying the 800 years old imperial saint ascendant?

Also, weren't the sororitas supposed to be watching the ecclesiarchy? Or were they just so over joyed in their whatevers that for 800 years never once had they suspected a thing?

Absence of evidence, in this case, is evidence of absence.

Sisters are fluffed as being incorruptible. It's one of their defining traits. If Basilius had corrupted Sisters, it would have been gloating about it.

And yes, the Sisters are tasked to watch the Ecclesiarchy to make sure this stuff doesn't happen.

However, you know how there is one Space Marine for every planet in the Imperium, give or take?

Yeah, Space Marines outnumber Sisters. So... they can't be everywhere, especially since they gather in convents. The Sisterhood does its best, but they simply don't have the resources to police the entire Imperium. That's how things like Basilius slip through the cracks.

We aren't watchers, and are but at most 2000 brothers strong; yet we deal with our foul and our traitors wherever we find them. Revealing my lax doesn't lessen your incompetence. Or has your pride blinded your senses of logic? I sure hope I need not teach you basic warfare tactics like digging trenches?

Also concerning incorruptibliness... Is it bloodtide returns o'clock again?


Well, the rest are bs as you all know, but this is in the Codex. And so as to not please the beast, I shall tell you the rest of it: The Grey Knight 4th Brotherhood arrived, slaughtered the rest of the sisters who remained pure, used their blood as armour paint to allow them "stride through the goreflood without risk of corruption". And of course, the WardGK won.

So what are the lessons out of these? WardGK are dicks, they kill every non-astarte they fought with (and, sadly, will probably do the same to the sisters even if they did not slaughter the Sisters to begin with).

On the other hand, SoBs can be corrupted in the studio fluff. Albeit non-willingly. But corruption is corruption.

Now as a SW player, I never liked the lapdogs of the Inquisition, nor the Church, nor the Inquisition, nor the... well pretty everything 'cept for the Emperor and Russ. And I, with a heavy heart, regrettably tell you, the Taint of Chaos knows no bound. And the only way to fight it, is to die before you are corrupted.

 Wyzilla wrote:


By the very definition Astartes are posthuman, both them and Admech Techpriests have gone far beyond transhumanism concepts- they're utterly posthuman, and IIRC even described as such in the Codex/BRB/Fluff. While they don't quality as another species per say (although the Admech might if they're able to clone their AI minds, which would fit the bill for asexual reproduction), Astartes have been so ridiculously heavily augmented that they've literally grown past their original human origins. Hell, even their minds have been heavily altered, considering Astartes experience emotions stronger than a normal human, not to mention have been so heavily indoctrinated their minds just function differently.

The term post-human is just a way to make a distinction on how advanced they are. If you were to take some DNA and clone them you'd get the human version unless you did all the same implants and therapies then you'd get the astartes version. That means genetically human.


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 Furyou Miko wrote:
Yes, you would be less human if you had an artificial heart. You would be part human, part machine.

There's a difference between 'not human' and 'less than human'. Honestly, you'd think humans were somehow magically better than everything else by the way you're carrying on.

Of course, the Sisters believe they are better because they're human, but while I may play the army and staunchly defend the established fluff, that doesn't mean I'm a closed-minded bigot.

Wait so someone with an artificial leg is less human? WHAT? So the more flesh you have the more human you are? By that standard astartes are more human

 lcmiracle wrote:

Spoiler:

As they passed every test, a horrible truth came to light. Saint Basillius still lived, and the testimony of Konvak Lann, Chapter Master of the Vorpal Swords Chapter, revealed him as a false idol, guilty of sending innocents into the jaws of damnation.

It is better for thousands of innocent to suffer than for one heretic to escape judgment. He merely made a mistake. We all do. That does not make him an heretic.

 lcmiracle wrote:

Spoiler:

They found the unaccountably ancient saint and finally revealed Basillius' true nature as an apostle of Chaos.

Slanders from marines that sought revenge more than justice. What proof did they brought ? Only the fact he was old and still alive ? By that account they must have been apostle of chaos too, for they were at least as old !


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 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 lcmiracle wrote:

Spoiler:

As they passed every test, a horrible truth came to light. Saint Basillius still lived, and the testimony of Konvak Lann, Chapter Master of the Vorpal Swords Chapter, revealed him as a false idol, guilty of sending innocents into the jaws of damnation.

It is better for thousands of innocent to suffer than for one heretic to escape judgment. He merely made a mistake. We all do. That does not make him an heretic.

For a sister to simply fail logic, to know a living human 800 years old, there is non but blind faith can result in your arrogance.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 lcmiracle wrote:

Spoiler:

They found the unaccountably ancient saint and finally revealed Basillius' true nature as an apostle of Chaos.

Slanders from marines that sought revenge more than justice. What proof did they brought ? Only the fact he was old and still alive ? By that account they must have been apostle of chaos too, for they were at least as old !

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jakejackjake wrote:
The term post-human is just a way to make a distinction on how advanced they are. If you were to take some DNA and clone them you'd get the human version unless you did all the same implants and therapies then you'd get the astartes version. That means genetically human.

Humans. Do. Not. Spit. Acid.
Also, they only have one heart.
How hard is that ?
If I take an inflatable doll and fill it with blood, you will be able to take DNA out of it, and clone a human. That does not mean the inflatable doll is human.


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 lcmiracle wrote:
For a sister to simply fail logic, to know a living human 800 years old, there is non but blind faith can result in your arrogance.

Is the Emperor not a human ? Is he not way more than 800 years old ? Do you not know that there are many rejuvenation technology in the Imperium ? Was there even Sisters involved anywhere in this story ?
I think what this demonstrate is that when you use marines to do sisters work, they feth up big time. Most of them end up dead or corrupted !



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 lcmiracle wrote:
Now as a SW player, I never liked the lapdogs of the Inquisition, nor the Church, nor the Inquisition, nor the... well pretty everything 'cept for the Emperor and Russ.

And nobody liked you, except for Russ .
Kidding, of course.

I thought SOB was the army for female players?

Oh yeah, I forgot GW also targets twelve year olds. You are twelve years old, Retrogamer0001, are you not ? Beware, girls have cooties !

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Oh yeah, I forgot GW also targets twelve year olds. You are twelve years old, Retrogamer0001, are you not ? Beware, girls have cooties !

Almost. Seriously though, that was always the attitude at my local FLGS towards SOB. I was never sure if that was a reasonable assumption to make or not, because I never once saw ANYONE playing SOB, of either gender.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 lcmiracle wrote:
For a sister to simply fail logic, to know a living human 800 years old, there is non but blind faith can result in your arrogance.

Is the Emperor not a human ? Is he not way more than 800 years old ? Do you not know that there are many rejuvenation technology in the Imperium ? Was there even Sisters involved anywhere in this story ?
I think what this demonstrate is that when you use marines to do sisters work, they feth up big time. Most of them end up dead or corrupted !

Firstly, your rage changes not the fluff, it changes not the canon, the only thing the corrupted sisters aren't is you fanon.
Secondly, those sororitas were corrupted before the GK having even arrived -- you've no one to blame but your own blinding faith, M.Ward, and GW. You can quit the hobby you know?
The Emperor might have been human; the Emperor, by accounts of the Eccleshiarchy he is God, human != God, how hard is that to understand?
The Emperor is also a psyker -- is a psyker not a mutant? is a psyker not abominable? Have your preacher taught you of the Emperor's sons, the Primarchs, of Konrad, of Sanguinus, of Lorgar, of, regrettably our fault, Magus the Red, were also psykers? Is it not but Sanguinus turned traitor? (Regrettably our fault, of Magnus the Red)
Can a human cease warp storms by sheer will? Can a human combat a C'tan Dragon on Mars during the 11th century? Are does of human doings? how hard is that to understand?
Or must I teach you basic logic?

Well, in practice, there might be a slightly bigger proportion of women among Sisters' players, but it is still largely male.
I know three other Sister players, all of them are men. I know some female player, but none of them plays Sisters.


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 lcmiracle wrote:
Firstly, your rage changes not the fluff, it changes not the canon, the only thing the corrupted sisters aren't is you fanon.

What you are quoting is not speaking at all about corrupted sisters . Also, are you aware the bloodtide is not even chaotic in origin ? It is just some kind mecha-disease. It is billions of microscopic robots that acts kind of like viruses. That is why the Grey Knight needed protection from it, because it is not chaotic corruption, just tiny robots destroying your body from the inside.
I say it is pretty miraculous that some Sisters survived, and proof of their faith !

 lcmiracle wrote:
The Emperor might have been human; the Emperor, by accounts of the Eccleshiarchy he is God, human != God, how hard is that to understand?

Please, go ahead, explain that to those billions of catholics .
You do not know religion, do you ? Glaring contradiction like that are no problem for the faithfuls.

lcmiracle wrote:We aren't watchers, and are but at most 2000 brothers strong; yet we deal with our foul and our traitors wherever we find them. Revealing my lax doesn't lessen your incompetence. Or has your pride blinded your senses of logic? I sure hope I need not teach you basic warfare tactics like digging trenches?

Bring up Blood of Asaheim again and I'll stop talking to you.

Also concerning incorruptibliness... Is it bloodtide returns o'clock again?
Well, the rest are bs as you all know, but this is in the Codex. And so as to not please the beast, I shall tell you the rest of it: The Grey Knight 4th Brotherhood arrived, slaughtered the rest of the sisters who remained pure, used their blood as armour paint to allow them "stride through the goreflood without risk of corruption". And of course, the WardGK won.

So what are the lessons out of these? WardGK are dicks, they kill every non-astarte they fought with (and, sadly, will probably do the same to the sisters even if they did not slaughter the Sisters to begin with).

On the other hand, SoBs can be corrupted in the studio fluff. Albeit non-willingly. But corruption is corruption.

Ah, but the quote from SoB is that "no Sister has ever willingly fallen to Chaos".

Corruption as in mutation and possession by a daemonic plague is an entirely different kettle of fish against which faith and a soul can only do so much.

Now as a SW player, I never liked the lapdogs of the Inquisition, nor the Church, nor the Inquisition, nor the... well pretty everything 'cept for the Emperor and Russ. And I, with a heavy heart, regrettably tell you, the Taint of Chaos knows no bound. And the only way to fight it, is to die before you are corrupted.

Yes, well, you're a chaos space marine giving lip service to the Aquila, so there.

jakejackjake wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:



Wait so someone with an artificial leg is less human? WHAT? So the more flesh you have the more human you are? By that standard astartes are more human

Um, it's mathematics of percentage. If you take something that was 100% human, and add an extra venom sack, they're now only 97% human and 3% whatever the sack came from. If you take something that was 100% human and chop off 20% of its mass, you have a smaller human - but if you take something that was 100% human, then replace 20% of its mass with integrated bionics, it's only 80% human.

Honestly, I don't see what the problem is. It's not like (out of character) there's anything special about being human anyway.

lcmiracle wrote:
For a sister to simply fail logic, to know a living human 800 years old, there is non but blind faith can result in your arrogance.

... eight hundred years? Sugar, it takes that long for the Imperium to even notice a planet has gone rogue. We can only be as good as the systems we work through.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 lcmiracle wrote:

Spoiler:

They found the unaccountably ancient saint and finally revealed Basillius' true nature as an apostle of Chaos.

Slanders from marines that sought revenge more than justice. What proof did they brought ? Only the fact he was old and still alive ? By that account they must have been apostle of chaos too, for they were at least as old !

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Well, to an extend, the Saint must have also been a space marine...

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 lcmiracle wrote:
Firstly, your rage changes not the fluff, it changes not the canon, the only thing the corrupted sisters aren't is you fanon.

What you are quoting is not speaking at all about corrupted sisters . Also, are you aware the bloodtide is not even chaotic in origin ? It is just some kind mecha-disease. It is billions of microscopic robots that acts kind of like viruses. That is why the Grey Knight needed protection from it, because it is not chaotic corruption, just tiny robots destroying your body from the inside.
I say it is pretty miraculous that some Sisters survived, and proof of their faith !

And the reason GKs can simply repel the bloodtides, I take, was because their even stronger faith? Because the sisters certainly did not.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 lcmiracle wrote:
The Emperor might have been human; the Emperor, by accounts of the Eccleshiarchy he is God, human != God, how hard is that to understand?

Please, go ahead, explain that to those billions of catholics .
You do not know religion, do you ? Glaring contradiction like that are no problem for the faithfuls.

Clearly, that deters not you; keep up the good work of not doing your job because clearly, an at least fallible human being a Saint, is infallible by default.

 Furyou Miko wrote:

I don't think Basillius' age has anything to do with his being revealed as a Chaos worshipper... Well-off humans in the Imperium can easily reach four hundred years of age, between juvenat and other medical treatments.

But in this case, I do...

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 Furyou Miko wrote:

lcmiracle wrote:We aren't watchers, and are but at most 2000 brothers strong; yet we deal with our foul and our traitors wherever we find them. Revealing my lax doesn't lessen your incompetence. Or has your pride blinded your senses of logic? I sure hope I need not teach you basic warfare tactics like digging trenches?

Bring up Blood of Asaheim again and I'll stop talking to you.

This amuses me...

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 Furyou Miko wrote:

Now as a SW player, I never liked the lapdogs of the Inquisition, nor the Church, nor the Inquisition, nor the... well pretty everything 'cept for the Emperor and Russ. And I, with a heavy heart, regrettably tell you, the Taint of Chaos knows no bound. And the only way to fight it, is to die before you are corrupted.

Yes, well, you're a chaos space marine giving lip service to the Aquila, so there.

Well, it appears you are Miriael Sabathiel in Masquerade, you will be hunted down.

Wow, this thread has come on a bit since I was last here. Is your one-man war against the Ecclesiarchy going well, lcmiracle?

Anyway, I would also point out that the Ecclesiarchy is so very huge, so of course incidents like Basillius are going to happen at times. In addition, the clergy don't get some of advantages that the Sisters get. Namely, secluded lifestyles, or that measure of pre-selection beforehand.

 lcmiracle wrote:
The Emperor is also a psyker -- is a psyker not a mutant? is a psyker not abominable? Have your preacher taught you of the Emperor's sons, the Primarchs, of Konrad, of Sanguinus, of Lorgar, of, regrettably our fault, Magus the Red, were also psykers? Is it not but Sanguinus turned traitor? (Regrettably our fault, of Magnus the Red)

Ah, but those other psykers were witches, you see. The Emperor and his (loyalist) sons were clearly fueled by divine power.

Remember, fervent belief systems are good at twisting things around to suit their viewpoints.

 lcmiracle wrote:
And the reason GKs can simply repel the bloodtides, I take, was because their even stronger faith? Because the sisters certainly did not.

Nah, the GK resisted because they had special protection from their blood ritual. However, what's also interesting is that the GK were actually described as needing the blood magic to remain uncorrupted. Meanwhile, some of the Sisters were able to resist with faith alone. Now, when even the mighty and pure GK are in need of special protection, I'd call some of the Sisters still being able to remain pure with faith alone pretty damn impressive.

 Retrogamer0001 wrote:
I thought SOB was the army for female players?

No. Why would they be? Are the Space Marines for male players? They're mono-gendered too. So are the IG, a few obscure metal models aside.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Depends on the source;

Codex: Sisters of Battle: About 10,000

Codex: Witch Hunters: About 20,000

Dark Heresy: About 15,000 in the Calixis Sector.

Codex: ADepta Sororitas: About 25,000.

Hmmm? I thought the numbers were about the same throughout the codexes? I'm pretty sure the numbers for Major Orders have remained about the same, whilst Minor Orders have been an unknown quantity?

But yeah, regardless, it's not many. And I do think that there should probably be more, given the Imperium's extremely vast size. We'll see what the next codex says about it, I guess.

Well opinions vs opinions, but whatever. I don't like your army, I don't like the SoBs. I know well Miriael Sabathiel is canon, and I know well the SoBs are incompetent. The same way you may think otherwise.

 Retrogamer0001 wrote:
I thought SOB was the army for female players?

Sup.

 lcmiracle wrote:
I don't like your army

And that's fine. But try not to let that influence your perceptions completely.

 lcmiracle wrote:
I know well Miriael Sabathiel is canon, and I know well the SoBs are incompetent.

Actually, Miriael's canon status is entirely subjective. Have her if you will, but others are free not to. As for the supposed incompetence, well, the Sisters are still all highly disciplined elite soldiers. So while I suppose that's still subjective, it doesn't really make a lot of sense for them to be bumbling fools. That's like saying that the Space Marines are incompetent or that the Stormtroopers are incompetent.

 lcmiracle wrote:
And the reason GKs can simply repel the bloodtides, I take, was because their even stronger faith?

No. Did you miss the part about them putting blood all over their armor ? It seems this blood somehow prevented the nano-robots from entering.
Now, please, do not ask me how the blood from space nuns capable of calling upon power from their faiths can prevent nano-robots magically controlled by space daemons from killing space magicians. Because I have no idea, and it is not like it really matters anyway, given the amount of pseudo-science and magic involved.

 lcmiracle wrote:
Clearly, that deters not you; keep up the good work of not doing your job because clearly, an at least fallible human being a Saint, is infallible by default.

Okay. I seriously think you need to take a break from 40k now. You have been reasoning like you and I were actual character in the settings for too long in this thread.

I do not like Sisters of Battle because they are always right and better than anyone else, I like Sisters of Battle because they are badass normals knight templars actions girls with a HUGE case of bling of war due to being crazy richs and lacking common sense. It seems you just prefer transhumans super soldier space marines vikings rebels with a heart. Why do you feel the need to demean what I like ? What is the point ? Especially since you are championing for the most inept organization of the whole setting…
What are you trying to achieve ? Make us all give up our Sisters of Battle miniatures and go buy Space Wolves instead ? I do not like the whole “magical-science super-power” thing of marines that is supposed to make them better than everyone else at everything. I do not like either the second dose of “better-than-everyone-else" that Space Wolves get which is supposed to make them marines+1, and is this time not even backed up by pseudo-science or anything. I do not like their childish behavior and naive outlook of the 40k universe. I think their whole wolf fetish is stupid. I will not play space wolves in any case.
As for the fluff, you should read the various post around here that explain how GW view canon. But basically, it is designed so that you can interpret it quite the way you like. Like faction X because of reasons Y ? Well, you can turn the fluff so that it emphasize those Y reasons. And I think I demonstrated it quite well, by answering your questions.

lcmiracle wrote:Well opinions vs opinions, but whatever. I don't like your army, I don't like the SoBs. I know well Miriael Sabathiel is canon, and I know well the SoBs are incompetent. The same way you may think otherwise.

The problem with the Space Wolves is that unlike real soldiers (real as in "like the Guard and the Sisters" - IE, professional, not real as existing in real life), they actually believe the campfire stories about how the Bloodclaw on his first ever mission killed a chaos terminator with a pointy metal stick, while the actual professionals who know what they're doing understand that those stories are grossly exaggerated for the sake of morale and bragging rights.

That's the only way Blood of Asaheim makes any damn sense at all - between incompetent Sisters (A professional fighting force who are powered by faith in the Emperor and humanity, having their faltering faith restored by some abhuman monster barely better than the enemy? Yeah, right), rookie recruits with mad skillz (blood claw with close combat weapon murderising a chaos champion in terminator armour? Uhuh...), a treacherous Sister who would rather serve the inquisition than the God-Emperor (What the even heck?)...

It only makes sense if you take it as the exaggerated campfire tales of the blood claw after he returns home, bigging up his own role by Adam Westing everyone else involved in the story.

Blood of Asaheim demonstrate how Space Wolves writing skill sucks. Not a surprise, they are not really intellectuals, are they ? They would rather be feasting, drinking tons of booze and groping the serving girls as they pass by. Most Space Wolves cannot even read. They must have forced a prisoner to write that story down, and remove the chorus from that drinking song of theirs. Real classy guys, those wolves, that is for sure .

 Furyou Miko wrote:
(blood claw with close combat weapon murderising a chaos champion in terminator armour? Uhuh...).

I grinned maliciously reading it, right up until that gak began happening.

After that, I was not impressed.

Rustle SoB player jimmies all you like, Blood of Asaheim, but you stay the feth away from my CSM. I know where you live...

 BrotherHaraldus wrote:
I grinned maliciously reading it, right up until that gak began happening.

So, getting a taste of your own medicine is not so pleasant, is it ?

I think that the problem with Asaheim, from what I've heard of it, is that it was so very focused on glorifying the Space Wolves and making them look awesome. A way the author did this was to make other factions look incompetent/weak in comparison, apparently. Which, really, is probably an issue with a fair few BL novels that have Marines as protagonists. I think that a great SW/SoB story is very possible, but it'd need an author who understood and respected all factions involved.

 Retrogamer0001 wrote:
Seriously though, that was always the attitude at my local FLGS towards SOB. I was never sure if that was a reasonable assumption to make or not, because I never once saw ANYONE playing SOB, of either gender.

Ah, didn't see this before.

Nah, there's a decent mix. There's certainly plenty of males playing them, so obviously the army's gender isn't off-putting or anything. But then, the SoB are really much more than their gender.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Now, please, do not ask me how the blood from space nuns capable of calling upon power from their faiths can prevent nano-robots magically controlled by space daemons from killing space magicians.

I think the idea is that they're, via blood magic, gaining the immunity of the Sisters who stayed pure.

 Troike wrote:
I think that a great SW/SoB story is very possible, but it'd need an author who understood and respected all factions involved.

Is there any ?

 Troike wrote:
I think the idea is that they're, via blood magic, gaining the immunity of the Sisters who stayed pure.

I do not know. Blood magic seems out of character for Grey Knights, and is as far as I know unreferenced anywhere else. However, the nanorobots being stupid enough to believe the blood of the Sisters as being the blood of the Grey Knight already out of their bodies seem stupid. And the blood of the Sisters being blessed and therefore toxic to the (now Chaos-tainted) robots seems a bit far-stretched.

Damn you stupid story !