Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

Feminists: most give me the stink eye when I bring up the previously made points around ~40 pages ago.

To recap:
-No feminist is crusading to be a part of the draft when they turn 18.
-No feminist is fighting to be allowed front line combat duty.
Melissa made a successful argument for being cool by agreeing that these should be changed. End of recap.

micahaphone wrote:
-No feminist is crusading to be a part of the draft when they turn 18.
-No feminist is fighting to be allowed front line combat duty.

Mostly on account of neither of those being basic rights. Nor are they "Buy-Ins" for rights. I'm certainly not going to fault anyone for fighting to be treated as real human beings before they fight for the privilege(?) of having their lives put danger for reasons that are often at the very best, questionable.

I think we should all be equal (women can put bullets through your heart just as well as men), I just find it funny that when the rare benefits of being a woman are brought up, it is denied/ignored.

micahaphone wrote:I think we should all be equal (women can put bullets through your heart just as well as men), I just find it funny that when the rare benefits of being a woman are brought up, it is denied/ignored.

Mostly on account of the fact that whatever small edge cases exist in our society where being female is a genuine advantage are overwhelmingly outweighed by the disadvantages of being female. It's a bit like saying someone doesn't appreciate the 50lb weight chained to their neck because of the small chance that somebody might hit their head on it while trying to pick their pocket.

I agree... Fine we'll give you rights, just stop burning your bras. You, you, and you, here's a m16, a flak jacket, and several other things, you're headed to Vietnam. Have a safe trip. Not what you wanted? You get the whole package ladies, good and bad.

While we're in the battle for the toilet, I'm putting the lid down after I'm done. Now you have to work against gravity too. Whine at it all you want, it won't care.

For sure, your analogy is accurate. Women, in general, have it worse off. I just think that it's funny to point out the little, puny advantages.

micahaphone wrote:For sure, your analogy is accurate. Women, in general, have it worse off. I just think that it's funny to point out the little, puny advantages.

Like that they can pull off "faking it", while men can't?

Melissia wrote:Geeze, so that's what I get for making a joke for once?

I'd have left it at a simple peeing contest.

Mr. Chowderhead, thine immature smut is not needed. Good day.

I'm not convinced anyone has it worse off than anyone else. Stop making excuses and make a difference if it bugs you.

Exception: the mentally handicapped. They have it worse.

Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:I'm not convinced anyone has it worse off than anyone else. Stop making excuses and make a difference if it bugs you.

Exception: the mentally handicapped. They have it worse.

And the physically handicapped.

Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:I'm not convinced anyone has it worse off than anyone else. Stop making excuses and make a difference if it bugs you.

Right, so when a woman gets paid less than a man for doing the same job simply because she is a woman rather than a man, she obviously doesn't have it any worse off than the men do.

Melissia wrote:

Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:I'm not convinced anyone has it worse off than anyone else. Stop making excuses and make a difference if it bugs you.

Right, so when a woman gets paid less than a man for doing the same job simply because she is a woman rather than a man, she obviously doesn't have it any worse off than the men do.

Of course, right now, that's not nearly as common as it used to be - college-educated women are doing just about as well as long as they work in the same fields and the same hours as their male counterparts.

Where women get killed on pay is when they take time out for having kids.

Not really. Currently (that is, as of one and a half years ago, in a late 2009 study), women are earning on average eighty cents for every dollar men are earning.

You know that if they got that extra 20 cents they'd just blow it on shoes anyway.

As opposed to dudes just blowing it on porn?

Melissia wrote:Not really. Currently (that is, as of one and a half years ago, in a late 2009 study), women are earning on average eighty cents for every dollar men are earning.

If you correct for age and occupation, they're the same.

Melissia wrote:As opposed to dudes just blowing it on porn?

Interesting choice of words there...

But touche.

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Melissia wrote:Not really. Currently (that is, as of one and a half years ago, in a late 2009 study), women are earning on average eighty cents for every dollar men are earning.

If you correct for age and occupation, they're the same.

I assume you have a source for that? (for my own, there's half a dozen sites in easy google search I could link to if you wanted).

Why is it that in highschool I had many a women reject me, but now that I am out and about in the real world (I.E. working) I seem to have a good 5-6 women who at least think I am "very hot", at most want to date me?

Would have been better in Highschool, where I didn't have to worry about dating and working with them

What's to worry about?

As long as you aren't a complete dick there's no reason why you can't go on a few dates with some co-workers. Just behave yourself and you'll be fine.

Slarg232 wrote:Why is it that in highschool I had many a women reject me, but now that I am out and about in the real world (I.E. working) I seem to have a good 5-6 women who at least think I am "very hot", at most want to date me?

Dating coworkers can work out for you, but you have to give it the extra mile as you are going to be seeing a lot of eachother.

Slarg232 wrote:Why is it that in highschool I had many a women reject me, but now that I am out and about in the real world (I.E. working) I seem to have a good 5-6 women who at least think I am "very hot", at most want to date me?
(

Mayge cux you have money and no longer live with your parents? That usually makes one more attractive to the women folk.

rubiksnoob wrote:

Slarg232 wrote:Why is it that in highschool I had many a women reject me, but now that I am out and about in the real world (I.E. working) I seem to have a good 5-6 women who at least think I am "very hot", at most want to date me?
(

Mayge cux you have money and no longer live with your parents? That usually makes one more attractive to the women folk.

Naye, and Naye: The Oil boom up here has apartments super expensive (It costs $700 to rent a bed in what is basically a bunker with 10 other people [at least] in the same building sharing the same utilities atm), and I owe my parents $2,000 because when we bought my car and the repairs it has needed.

Also; out of them, at least two are married, one I am unsure of, and the other is too young. Not sure about that sixth, she confuses me.

Melissia wrote:Mostly, the fact that it's Fox news. It's a bullgak conservative propaganda machine. I mean for feth sakes they're still an agenda that Obama isn't an American citizen.

I'm curious, what would you consider a reputable news source?

40kFSU wrote:

Melissia wrote:Mostly, the fact that it's Fox news. It's a bullgak conservative propaganda machine. I mean for feth sakes they're still an agenda that Obama isn't an American citizen.

I'm curious, what would you consider a reputable news source?

Al Jazeera of course!

Melissia wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Melissia wrote:Not really. Currently (that is, as of one and a half years ago, in a late 2009 study), women are earning on average eighty cents for every dollar men are earning.

If you correct for age and occupation, they're the same.

I assume you have a source for that? (for my own, there's half a dozen sites in easy google search I could link to if you wanted).

As I've said, that 80% thing is complete and utter crap. That is an aggregate number that makes no sense.

Women receive equal pay for equal work. Every woman I've every hired was paid *exactly* the same as her male counterpart in the same position. *That* is the very definition non-discriminatory wage parity. I've hired and paid the same across age and race groups (and presumably sexual orientation). In my field, it's what you can do, not what you look like.

Now, if women choose to cluster in fields that change slowly (e.g. nursing, teaching, accounting, clerical), and those fields pay less, that's their choice to take a job which allows them to take time out to raise children and then return to the workforce.

If that woman were to choose a field that requires constant technical updates, she will be paid exactly the same as her male counterpart.

That is perfectly fair as far as I'm concerned.

Though you have to consider that many workplaces will be far more adverse to promoting a female than male.

Melissia wrote:As opposed to dudes just blowing it on porn?

No man buys porn, everyone knows porn is free!

Melissia wrote:

Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:I'm not convinced anyone has it worse off than anyone else. Stop making excuses and make a difference if it bugs you.

Right, so when a woman gets paid less than a man for doing the same job simply because she is a woman rather than a man, she obviously doesn't have it any worse off than the men do.

Then raise a bigger stink. Everyone deals with injustice; fight for it if you want it to change. A good example is one of my old roommates. She kept complaining about one girl at work who would always get the days off she wanted, because nobody wanted to hear her whine or have to listen to her if she got pissed off. She said it wasn't fair, and would bitch about it repeatedly. I stopped her once and noted that at least she was getting what she wanted, and she obviously wanted it more than her or it wouldn't keep happening. The roomie thought this train of thought was stupid and ridiculous, regardless of it being 100% true. History doesn't teach us about people who complain and do nothing, it mentions the people who shake things up.