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I just thought of a semi-useful purpose for the relentless special rule for DC:

When in a rhino, that means that even if the rhino moves at combat speed you can fire the boltguns out the top hatch once at 24 inches. That may not matter a whole lot, but hey it isn't totally useless.

So on another topic, are LRs the same costs in the BA dex as they are in the vanilla dex, or are we paying more points for the ability to deepstrike?

Land Raiders cost 250 searchlights!

FoxPhoenix135 wrote:I just thought of a semi-useful purpose for the relentless special rule for DC:

When in a rhino, that means that even if the rhino moves at combat speed you can fire the boltguns out the top hatch once at 24 inches. That may not matter a whole lot, but hey it isn't totally useless.

You mean all 2 of them?

Nah, they are basically there as a way for guys with powerfists/thunderhammers to still gain an extra attack (albeit at range). And I suppose taking a few bolter guys once you get into the larger squad sizes to make them a bit more shooty is a valid, but I'd pull all my casualties from these guys first, as I value a S5 close combat attack that re-rolls to hit and to wound over a S4 attack with AP5, and the extra attack in melee is more useful if the combat lasts more than a single phase.

I thought the rumor was the DC came with bolter + bp + ccw? Was that false?

Arschbombe wrote:

warhammersupernerd wrote:We also have a thing called chaff, it kinda helps save us from heat seaking missiles.

Chaff defeats radar. Flares are used to defeat heatseeker. Just sayin'.

Damn my lack of knowledge of military devices. Thanks for correcting me though!

Terminus wrote:Really... who cares about such obfuscation? Ooh, Death Company are 20 points, or 35 with jump packs, so taboo!

I posted a bunch of point costs a page or so back, and I've yet to hear any GW lawyers knocking down my do*BANG*

...

Actually the C&D letter would get sent to dakka, not you.

Actually nothing would happen. As I keep saying, GW does not want their points costs and rules posted verbatim.

Just saying DC cost 20 points and their jump packs make 'em 35 is not going to breach that.

Do you think the taxes we pay for fast vehicles is justified?

Depends on the vehicle. It seems a bit much on rhinos (are two fast rhinos = three normal ones, I don't think so), but is fairly reasonable on the predator. Also a bit much on the vindicator as far as I am concerned.

Jack

Rhinos are probably overpriced with the Fast tax, but Predators are almost certainly underpriced. Vindicators are significantly improved but pay a premium, and Whirlwinds gain almost no benefit from the upgrade.

Razorbacks are weird. Many configurations are not significantly improved, but others (most notably twin-linked heavy flamers and Stronos-pattern) are much, much better.

Well if more people had voted for Mephiston at the last election rather than Dante, we'd have that tax cut he promised.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Well if more people had voted for Mephiston at the last election rather than Dante, we'd have that tax cut he promised.

I was going to vote for him but he would always stop talking in the middle of his speeches, like he was suffering from some type of peril attack.

I think fast razorbacks are nasty a lascannon shot and a twin-linked plasma gun shot after moving 6, is really really good, but very expensive near a normal predator i think.

CKO wrote:Do you think the taxes we pay for fast vehicles is justified?

Yes. A thousand times yes on every one of them.

Wait so the frag cannon is assault 2 AND a template weapon? that just sounds to good to be true.

And i thought DC were supposed to have boltgun, bolt pistol and ccw?

Daggermaw wrote:Wait so the frag cannon is assault 2 AND a template weapon? that just sounds to good to be true.

And i thought DC were supposed to have boltgun, bolt pistol and ccw?

DC dreadnaught not the actual marines.

First time posting. A few pages back Terminus replied that the new codex was not so much angel themed as one person thought and was in fact still kinda space vampire. Can anyone give more details on this. It may seem silly but it's pretty important to me. I was getting excited over the angel thing (and I've never been one for vampires.) Thanks.

Nathial wrote:First time posting. A few pages back Terminus replied that the new codex was not so much angel themed as one person thought and was in fact still kinda space vampire. Can anyone give more details on this. It may seem silly but it's pretty important to me. I was getting excited over the angel thing (and I've never been one for vampires.) Thanks.

The Sanguinary Guard have sculpted musculature and angel wings. One of the special characters is a goddamned angel, replete with a messiah pose. I don't think you're in any kind of danger here.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Well if more people had voted for Mephiston at the last election rather than Dante, we'd have that tax cut he promised.

Or get the psyker that most needs one, an Invulnerability save.

the rumors from a few weeks ago had a two handed chainsword in one of the sprues but i can't for the life of me find it. is it not there or am i simply missing the bit?

warboss wrote:the rumors from a few weeks ago had a two handed chainsword in one of the sprues but i can't for the life of me find it. is it not there or am i simply missing the bit?

Maybe people were thinking of the two handed swords in the Sanguinary Guard set?

temprus wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:Well if more people had voted for Mephiston at the last election rather than Dante, we'd have that tax cut he promised.

Or get the psyker that most needs one, an Invulnerability save.

He's harder to kill than a trygon and packs a much bigger punch. Given the fact that he'll never be without a cover save anyway (just stick him in the middle of the unit he would have been in and boom he gets a 4+ cover save) and his lack of an invulnerable save is just a scratch on a giant pyramid of gold.

Mep has no protection from Perils of the Warp, unlike almost all other major Imperial Psykers. If he was not a Psyker, I would not even bring up his lack of I-Save.

let us all lament the lack of an invuln save that needs to be re-rolled if successful anyway.

Daggermaw wrote:Wait so the frag cannon is assault 2 AND a template weapon? that just sounds to good to be true.

And i thought DC were supposed to have boltgun, bolt pistol and ccw?

Nope, sword and pistol or gun. Guess I can give my powerfist guys bolters and make use of that relentless rule. Woo! Woo. Woo? Woo...


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ShumaGorath wrote:

temprus wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:Well if more people had voted for Mephiston at the last election rather than Dante, we'd have that tax cut he promised.

Or get the psyker that most needs one, an Invulnerability save.

He's harder to kill than a trygon and packs a much bigger punch. Given the fact that he'll never be without a cover save anyway (just stick him in the middle of the unit he would have been in and boom he gets a 4+ cover save) and his lack of an invulnerable save is just a scratch on a giant pyramid of gold.

True, he'd certainly be better with an INV save, but unlike before I think he can now get around that handicap and still prove useful. Not just join a melee, fail to kill everyone with power weapons or rending that can attack him, die horribly and make me think I could've had another Land Raider.

ShumaGorath wrote:

CKO wrote:Do you think the taxes we pay for fast vehicles is justified?

Yes. A thousand times yes on every one of them.

Thanks for quoting that, as I don't normally see his posts and I needed the laugh. I love the use of "we". I wish I had the money, the time, the dedication, and sheer talent to be able to pick up every new army, paint it all up for battle, and become the vocal authority on the subject by the time the next new army hits the block, and then do it all over again. I wish I was special. :(

Daggermaw wrote:Wait so the frag cannon is assault 2 AND a template weapon? that just sounds to good to be true.

And i thought DC were supposed to have boltgun, bolt pistol and ccw?

I am not sure about the assault 2, but it's 100% a template. Doesn't matter though, everyone will be using Furioso librarians and Blood Talon DC dreads (they will kill an entire squad of marines before they get to swing). And nothing in the codx has ultra-grit, not even DC.

Nathial wrote:First time posting. A few pages back Terminus replied that the new codex was not so much angel themed as one person thought and was in fact still kinda space vampire. Can anyone give more details on this. It may seem silly but it's pretty important to me. I was getting excited over the angel thing (and I've never been one for vampires.) Thanks.

Well, there is plenty of Angelic iconography, if that's what you're worried about, though it's mostly limited to the Sanguinary Guard and for every guy with wings there are 10 guys with blood drops and skulls and pimp mugs made of skulls, full of blood with decorative blood drops on them. Fluff-wise, it's all hungry vampires this and angry vampires that. They really are BLOOD angels.

I am not sure about the assault 2, but it's 100% a template. Doesn't matter though, everyone will be using Furioso librarians and Blood Talon DC dreads (they will kill an entire squad of marines before they get to swing).

I would question whether the dread would be capable of reaching the marine squad with that armament. It would be quite a target and it's just a regular dread with respect to its ability to take damage. Rage is also a pretty considerable hinderance on a foot slogging single walker that can't hurt a land raider or monolith and yet will try every single turn. I would just throw an ironclad or regular dread at it and enjoy my kill point.

Why use DC dreads? Furiosos can take blood talons also and dont have to deal with rage and have armor 13 over armor 12.. You also need to take 5 DC as well first, unless you fill up your elites I dont see a reason to take them much

the frag launcher is indeed assault 2 template rending.. It is amazing but more of a drop pod thing. Basically its like a heavy flamer ironclad but .. better!

As far as it reaching the target, it's true that can be difficult, but then again it can be transported by an assault skimmer. Rage is problematic, but not as major an issue if you accompany it with a squad that blocks it moving in a direction you don't want it to.

The main reasons for DC dreads over Furiosos that I can see are the extra attack to start the unit blender attack chain, the furious charge for S7 and initiave to swing first, and the fact that the elite slots have a lot of major contenders. But yes, a furioso with blood talons could munch through a whole squad too. Thank god they still have to hit with the extra attacks, otherwise you'd just remove whatever non-invuln unit they engage from the table to save yourself the trouble of rolling dice.

Taking a DC squad is not exactly a drawback, since they are badasses rules, fluff and model-wise. If I was faced with a BA or successor chapter without at least some DC on the table, I would refuse to acknowledge them as such and proclaim the player renegade and heretic. Of course, since my army never takes the field without an Inquisitor, any Imperial army that opposes me are heretics by default.

Terminus wrote:Thanks for quoting that, as I don't normally see his posts and I needed the laugh. I love the use of "we". I wish I had the money, the time, the dedication, and sheer talent to be able to pick up every new army, paint it all up for battle, and become the vocal authority on the subject by the time the next new army hits the block, and then do it all over again. I wish I was special. :(

I play 2 armies IG and Blood Angels, and I see nothing wrong with using we whenever I am talking about those two armies. I hope I am not the guy you said you would shoot over hitler, you have quoted me more then once the past few days for no other reason but to talk about me, and I have no idea why.

With all that said are you positive sanguinary guard have ws 5?

What I think is really going to rock hard is a Furioso Librarian Dreadnought that can use Wings of Sanguinius...

That's a freakin' fast Force Weapon Dread moving across the board.