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Yeah you're right, did the reading. The lignin in cardboards and processed papers protect the cellulose and hemicellulose from biodegrading, by resisting fungal and microbial digestion. Unfortunately the chemical means of breaking down lignin is actually a harsher method, that makes the process of recycling sometimes not worth while.

That said, I don't plan on recycling my space hulk.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

NecronLord3 wrote:Edit: Here is one small example, though I know there are full sets manufactured from other companies.

Yeah I know about Dwarven Forge's stuff, but it's not especially practical. It's also expensive and you have to paint it. Space Hulk is simple, and the tiles work wonderfully well. Better yet, these just appear to be new art on the old tiles, meaning they'll fit with all the old tiles. Can't think of a better result than this honestly.

My point was that lots of people were excited about 3D tiles and considering the awesome job they've done on their building kits, it seems only natural to have done the Space Hulk tiles some 3D justice. Anything less is just disappointing.

TBD wrote:I wanted plastic tiles too, at first, but you (should) quickly realize that it would make the price go up so significantly that's it's rather unrealistic to expect.

I'm sure that for most people the cardboard option outweighs the alternative of paying at least double the price they are asking now.

Price go UP? I'd gladly spend money on this set at $150 or $200 if it just came with Space Hulk Corridors. As it stands now, I have no desire to purchase it at all. GW has demonstrated that they can release the terrain kits for significantly cheap prices relative to their other model kits. But lets not even get into a cost argument with GW, they lose every time.

Weird. I tried to pre-order just now and had my card declined for some reason(I have more than enough for it), but when I check my account there is now a $99 chunk missing, but no transaction and no order on the GW site.

Time to contact both GW and my bank(mostly so that I can make sure I can get this)...

BrassScorpion wrote:

the_trooper wrote:Think I could get this through my LGS? I would rather send the money their way.

Normally, I'd say support the LGS, but in this case as with other limited releases, you'll really be taking your chances.

Another article on the GW website, Space Hulk Is Back, is at this link.

Anyone procrastinating on getting this item who really wants it take note of this text from the aforementioned article:

"This is a one-off, limited edition product, with a single print run. If you have any interest in owning your own Space Hulk, I strongly suggest you advance order a copy today. Do not wait, because when they're gone, they're gone (although one of the Studio team did hint at a doing 50th anniversary edition in 2039). And DO NOT put this on your wish list, forget about it and expect to get one..."

Im getting my copy from Project Hydra.

Kirasu wrote:Thick cardboard is really just as good as plastic.. Like crackbone said, look at fantasy flight games

Their cardboard is very durable.. Dont spill your mountain dew?

Funny it looks to me like FFG made this for GW. Most FFG games cost $75-90. I think the scale is same as Tankhauser. 25mm?

Another interesting thing to think on is that looking at these blood angels, I think it gives us a fare idea of where GW will take their aesthetic when they get their codex redo. Its good to see GW will do that little bit of extra aesthetic work to help make more than just color a distinguishing feature of the space marine chapters.

The_Chaplain wrote:Pretty sure that "drunk" terminator's head is a skull.

Here is a very poorly MS Paint attempt at what the sergeant can look like with about 5 minutes worth of cutting/greenstuffing/filing.



It would actually make a sweet basis for a lysander or calgar conversion I think.

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that is def. true. and with another 5 minutes it suddenly looks exactly like batman !
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just kidding.
of course you are right. i think it really won't be much effort to remove the BA-specific symbols, etc.

[/quote I'm sure someone will offer you for the tiles, rule book and everything else. If its limited enough and people are desperate enough, you might get the vast majority of it payed off by selling just those a parts.

Thanx for that one Bobpanda that made me laugh!

notprop wrote:I can't believe people would not buy this because they think the tiles are not good enough? Absolutely ludicrous!!

Love the warped tile in the Throne shot Good to see quality control is on the case!

yeah me too well done Bobpanda

This whole 'Mystery Box' thing was way, way too much hype for what it turned out to be.

Don't get me wrong. I love Space Hulk. And I've already went to the online store and bought this newest edition. Still, it was way too much for a board game.

Talk about crying wolf.

Going to try to incorporate this into Family Game Night.

I gots heavy FLAMERS, Little Suzy! Where's your 4 hotels on Park Place now, bitch?!

The price is actually pretty reasonable when you think about it.

Imagine if GW had simply made the rules set available online, complete with printable PDF's for the floor tiles etc (to be glued onto decent card stock).

You'd still need the models (10 Terminators, Captain, Librarian, 22 Genesquealers, 1 Broodlord) all of which tots up to more than the asking price for the boxed game, so yeah, pricey it is, but worth it in my opinion.


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AlexCage wrote:Going to try to incorporate this into Family Game Night.

I gots heavy FLAMERS, Little Suzy! Where's your 4 hotels on Park Place now, bitch?!

Little Suzy wrote:Why, behind my Broodlord and his 22 friends of course

AlexCage wrote:Bugger

To answer a couple questons showing a few posts back:

1) This game was outsourced for production. Limited releasing it means a spike in sales, no long-term inventory worries to pay taxes on and the like, and no need to make shelf-space for it in GW stores.
2) It is a stand-alone game designed to sell well as such. At the same time, it was clearly designed to have something new to catch the eye of existing 40K model collectors.

The reasons for redoing the models and making this a limited release is as follows:

1. The original Space Hulk models were really pretty basic compared to what players like to see nowadays. They were more like 3D game counters than the almost individual characters in this set.

2. Original Space Hulk was in production for years and they may have worn out the moulds, or something. They claim to have lost the dies for cutting the tiles.

3. A run of 100,000 isn't very limited for a specialist tabletop wargame. GW most likely did a deal on the production costs and are confident they will sell out and make a good profit.

pombe wrote:
2) Considering that GW already had plastic Terminators and Genestealers ready to go from the two previous box sets, why did they go through the trouble to redo these plastics? I'm betting that the price could have been much cheaper if they had gone that route ($50-60 instead of $100). Will it have something to do with the limited edition aspect of this set and the normal set will have the generic Terminators and Genestealers? And if so, that seems like a bigger waste as many buyers would probably prefer to have the generic versions.

I have a feeling it's to make it more than a simple redo, get a mass of sales based off the figures (because I think most of us who have laid down cash today will admit they've played a big part in that decesion) and boost the look of their bottom line for the Shareholders. Personaly I'm all up for that, and if it sells by the bucketload would love to see other games brought back to life as you went on to suggest.

Of course saying that, anyone thinking how awesome a remake of Deathwing would be looking at this redo, I mean each of the named Dark Angels with their tribal heritage markings etc. Damn.

BobPanda wrote:

Nightlords?

I think you'll see alot of serious 40k/Space Hulk player convert their own teams. I already have my Deathwatch terminators ready to go.

I was just told at the local GW store that there will only be 5000 copies worldwide. If you pre-order at the store you have to pay immediately, and they expect that if you wait a week (which I initially was planning to do) everything will be sold out.

Now they have claimed things like this before, and those turned out not to be true, so I'm not sure what to think, but 5000 worldwide doesn't seem like a lot to me considering there are about 300(?) GW stores and of course all the local game stores.

What is the point of having demo games, for example next week, when there would be no games available left to order if the customer wanted one?

They also stressed that they are sure there would not be another "normal" release afterwards.

I'll probably end up ordering one at the store tomorrow to be sure...

BrassScorpion wrote:To answer a couple questons showing a few posts back:

1) This game was outsourced for production. Limited releasing it means a spike in sales, no long-term inventory worries to pay taxes on and the like, and no need to make shelf-space for it in GW stores.
2) It is a stand-alone game designed to sell well as such. At the same time, it was clearly designed to have something new to catch the eye of existing 40K model collectors.

Many thanks for clearing that up. Outsourcing the game makes sense, and I didn't think of that.

I do think that the new models look great, but I am sad in that I don't have a Blood Angels army and was looking forward to something more generic.

Kilkrazy wrote:1. The original Space Hulk models were really pretty basic compared to what players like to see nowadays. They were more like 3D game counters than the almost individual characters in this set.

2. Original Space Hulk was in production for years and they may have worn out the moulds, or something. They claim to have lost the dies for cutting the tiles.

3. A run of 100,000 isn't very limited for a specialist tabletop wargame. GW most likely did a deal on the production costs and are confident they will sell out and make a good profit.

I apologize for not being more clear. I meant that GW already having the plastics of the Terminators from AoBR and the Genestealers from the Macragge sets, not from the original Space Hulk sets. If it's a run of 100,000, then I'm glad because that is a large run and probably won't sell out right away, giving a lot of people a chance to experience this really great game.

It seems to me that the rules regarding "ordering" are inconsistant- depending on where you are based.- EDIT This is for store allocation only......


I went into my local GW and was offered to 'pre-order' my copy, no cash down, just turn up on the morning of 5th between 9-10am and I can pay then! Score- couple of weeks to juggle the finances- AND GUARANTEED that I have my copy- excellent!

Also, how do we know that this was definitely outsourced?

cheers
W

When Space Hulk appears in stores on the release day there will be an extremely limited number of copies available and they are only selling it in the GW stores for that one day. There are 360 GW stores around the world right now and only a few copies for each store to sell.

For anyone who really wants Space Hulk, order it now while you know you can get it. I wouldn't count on being able to grab one in an actual retail shop unless you know for sure you can get there on the day, know how many copies they will have, and know how many people might show up ahead of you to grab it. Get your Cabbage Patch dolls, errr, I mean Space Hulk now before you have to trample-or-be-trampled to get it.

notprop wrote:

Whippersnapper? WHIPPERSNAPPEEER!!

Well when we played Rogue Trader in t' 80's we could afford "tiles" we had to play in mud! An' not that nice smooth mud you had in t' 90's but smelly mud with gravel 'n glass in it! I'll not talk about the shoe boxes we has to sleep in, but there were shoe boxes!!

You had mud? Back in my day when WD had adventures, we had to make our own mud. We just had dirt!

Platuan4th wrote:Weird. I tried to pre-order just now and had my card declined for some reason(I have more than enough for it), but when I check my account there is now a $99 chunk missing, but no transaction and no order on the GW site.

Obviously GW are getting more obvious about raping our wallets... Now they're just outright stealing money and not sending any figs at all...

--Chris
www.chrisvalera.com

The terminators shown in these pics are ultra-detailed and the genestealers look great as well. They almost look too detailed to be true...

Anyone else having worries though about a potential bait and switch in detail/quality like we saw with the blastscapes?

crackbone wrote:

1. Were you to buy current GW models for this, (10 Termies and 20 Genestealers), you're looking at $80-100 bucks easy, unless you got lucky with AoBR and BFM models. On top of this, these are all new (and good quality) plastic sculpts. The cost for plastic molds is huge compared to metal. GW making this limited edition means they have a higher cost to recoup. (Personally, I'd wager we will see these minis again, considering the upfront costs involved, but what do I know?)

Those costs are irrelevant to anyone playing any amount of time. I got terminators and stealers lying around, as I'm sure anyone thats played a good amount of time might have. Hell I got chaos and IG lying around too to use for it.

2. Believe it or not, the cost for GOOD cardboard printing is not cheap. Don't believe me? Check out any "nerd" boardgame out there right now. They regularly run $50-$80, and they consist of far less cardboard, far less substantial cardboard, that doesn't have such nice print quality, that doesn't have the kind of intricate "jigsaw" cut, and don't have the scuff-resistant gloss coating that this appears to have.

For reference, check out this (and others if you want) pic of Battlestar Galactica. This is a $50 game, and the cardboard board is way less beefy, and the minatures you get are atrocious (soft plastic "army men" level sculpts). http://boardgamegeek.com/image/361693

You may not like it, but it's obviously done with an eye to quality and the price reflects it.

Apples and organges comparison. Its not an interlocking game. Personally you don really need it to interlock....

wyomingfox wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:Cardboard is more eco friendly.

Not when it ends up in the same landfill

It rots pretty quickly by comparison...

aka_mythos wrote:The poor poor IG. Keep sending in waves of fodder. I guess the Stormtroopers were too smart, and the Ogryns too big.

Kinda the point with IG. Their not really equipt well for boarding actions. As for the other two, I just dont think they got around to it. Could be done this time around...

the_trooper wrote:Think I could get this through my LGS? I would rather send the money their way.

It will be somewhat allocated, but if your LGS is on the ball and puts in an order, you should be able to get it. I have 20 coming to each of my two stores, (Philly area, USA, info probably not applicable to a LGS in another country), I'd expect that some will be available to all GW accounts based on their size. Some were also sent to the US games distributors, (Alliance, ACD, etc), but not a ton, so probably heavily allocated.

Call your LGS, make sure they put in an order. With it shipping in two weeks, time to get the order in is now.

yeah,
SOld! hahaha... I didn't even have to think about this.

Looks Awesome. sure there's no plastic corridors which sucks but that's the rumour mill for you! We Kinda have ourselfs to blame! although GW could have just said 'nope.. not happening.'

There is a plastic CAT (which makes me happy!) and other objectives.

@HBMC I hope the corridors connect up with 2nd ed... I knew there was a reason I didn't sell it last week.

I Hope there is support in WD too, like the fangs of fenris. That was awesome.

Panic...