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Necrosis wrote:We can sit here and come up with all those crazy theories and stuff. But as it stands so far only one sisters has chosen to fall to chaos. Their are several sources to back this up. Every other incident was either sisters being mind controlled or possessed in which case they did not choose to fall to chaos.

An entire Order turns traitor in "Redemption Corps".

And "being mind-controlled or possessed" still means that they fell to Chaos.

You don't get to pick and choose. If you did, you'd note that the Alpha Legion is still a "Loyalist" Chapter due to the fact that they chose to essentially "go undercover" during the Horus Heresy and have remained so since.

Melissia wrote:Yes, I do. It isn't wankery, that would be if I suggested that Sisters are the best, that they deserve the best, that they deserve more attention than everyone else, that they are better than everyone else, that they need a dozen codices all to themselves, oh and I did I mention that they are also the best?

That's not the defining characteristic of spank as you've been using it to describe what you think is my obsession with Grey Knights (which, incidentally, I do not have. I don't even have any Grey Knights models.). You used it in response to my stating things that I believe to be true about the Grey Knights.

I don't suggest any of that, in any way. I merely suggest that purity of soul is one of the defining aspects of the Sisterhood.

Which nicely fits into your definition of wankery, because if the sisters are human, then they are, by definition, corruptible, seducable, and all those other nasty things that having just a little bit of personality gives you.

Yes, I can. Do you also want to say that Marines are too stupid to remember mission briefings, and that TERMINATORS don't remember that they have cyclone missile launchers until the battle is almost over? Do you want to believe that one human can take out three charging Khornate Berzerkers with nothing but a chainsword, a laspistol, and a plan? Do you want to believe that a single Marine can take out thousands of Dark Eldar warriors in a single battle and come out of it ready for more, with nary a scratch on him?

All of these are canon if you consider all BL books canon. Face it, BL authors are complete arse.

I don't suggest any of that, in any way. I merely suggest that purity of soul is one of the defining aspects of the Sisterhood.

It's important to note that Purity of the Soul is not incompatible with temptation as well.

They are defined by purity, but we are also defined by the challenges in life. If we cannot fail at something than not only is it not a challenge, but when we continue to do good at that thing it is unimpressive.

The Sisters faith and purity is impressive because they CAN fall to chaos but in the majority Don't.

Perfect=Boring

Good thing I never suggested perfection. Fun times.

Melissia wrote:Yes, I can. Do you also want to say that Marines are too stupid to remember mission briefings, and that TERMINATORS don't remember that they have cyclone missile launchers until the battle is almost over? Do you want to believe that one human can take out three charging Khornate Berzerkers with nothing but a chainsword, a laspistol, and a plan? Do you want to believe that a single Marine can take out thousands of Dark Eldar warriors in a single battle and come out of it ready for more, with nary a scratch on him?

All of these are canon if you consider all BL books canon. Face it, BL authors are complete arse.

They may be arse, but those things are part of the universe. You take the good, you take the bad.

Multilazors!!! are as much a part of 40k as anything else. Insert some metaphor for a infinite universe having infinite possibilities as an explanation.


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Melissia wrote:Good thing I never suggested perfection. Fun times.

Good thing you ignored the other half of my post.

Yes, I did. I'm kinda getting tired of the conversation, so meh, not really reading the entire post. Sorry. Should probably get ready to fix dinner soon...

Melissia wrote:Good thing I never suggested perfection. Fun times.

Ah, but you did. You implied that sisters cannot, bar being whatsherface, fall to chaos; they they are perfect paragons of moral virtue.

Sisterwank, in short.

I said they did not (save for one), not that they cannot.

*resists the urge to make a woman+kitchen joke about Sisters*


I'm just glad they're retconning Goto's ridiculous crap out. The "Dawn of War" books have supposedly been stopped from printing anymore, as have his Deathwatch books.

So we just wait for the current stock to run out and then voila! NO MOAR!

pretre wrote:

Slarg232 wrote:They should make....... CHAOS SISTERS! Evil sisters whom summon daemons and have resolute faith in the dark gods.


Because everything is better with Chaos.

Thanks for that. That's exactly what we need. Let me guess... Slanesh?

Sigh. Is there a facepalm orkmoticon?

Actually, Undivided/all of them. Just like CSM. Nurgle sisters, tzeentch sisters, the whole sha-bang. Would be awesome, me thinks. I wrote some (horrible and not thought out rules) for a dark sisterhood a few days ago, actually.

Melissia wrote:I find it an incredible double standard that it's okay for no Grey Knight to have fallen, but oh, if you DARE suggest that the Sisters are nigh-incorruptible, you get a wall of nerdrage and outrage... heh... marinewank indeed.

Just for posterity.

So not that they cannot, that it's nearly impossible.

Chaos sisters is dumb. Having one chaos sister is ok but having a bunch of them is just ridiculous. If they make chaos sisters it will make sisters more like marines. That's the last thing we need.

Necrosis wrote:Chaos sisters is dumb. Having one chaos sister is ok but having a bunch of them is just ridiculous.

Alright, you know what?

As soon as they bring out plastic sisters, I'm making a Khornate Sisters army.

You better hope Sisters never come out in plastic.

Necrosis wrote:Chaos sisters is dumb. Having one chaos sister is ok but having a bunch of them is just ridiculous. If they make chaos sisters it will make sisters more like marines. That's the last thing we need.

Not if they fundamentally changed them in the process. Turn them into a daemon summoning, daemon possessed army, where their psychic/Faith powers buff daemons within so close (Blessing of Nurgle: All Daemon units within 12 inches gain FNP, stuff like that) And you would have a pretty unique army.

WARBOSS TZOO wrote:

Necrosis wrote:Chaos sisters is dumb. Having one chaos sister is ok but having a bunch of them is just ridiculous.

Alright, you know what?

As soon as they bring out plastic sisters, I'm making a Khornate Sisters army.

You better hope Sisters never come out in plastic.

You're just contrary.

Slarg232 wrote:

Necrosis wrote:Chaos sisters is dumb. Having one chaos sister is ok but having a bunch of them is just ridiculous. If they make chaos sisters it will make sisters more like marines. That's the last thing we need.

Not if they fundamentally changed them in the process. Turn them into a daemon summoning, daemon possessed army, where their psychic/Faith powers buff daemons within so close (Blessing of Nurgle: All Daemon units within 12 inches gain FNP, stuff like that) And you would have a pretty unique army.

No you would just have a word bearer sister army.

Slarg232 wrote:

Necrosis wrote:Chaos sisters is dumb. Having one chaos sister is ok but having a bunch of them is just ridiculous. If they make chaos sisters it will make sisters more like marines. That's the last thing we need.

Not if they fundamentally changed them in the process. Turn them into a daemon summoning, daemon possessed army, where their psychic/Faith powers buff daemons within so close (Blessing of Nurgle: All Daemon units within 12 inches gain FNP, stuff like that) And you would have a pretty unique army.

Unique army nothing like the other power armored daemon summoning army with possessed troops. Oh, but they have buffs.

Let's get our normal sisters updated first before we worry about chaos sisters.

pretre wrote:You're just contrary.

I regret nothing.

Kanluwen wrote:*resists the urge to make a woman+kitchen joke about Sisters*


I'm just glad they're retconning Goto's ridiculous crap out. The "Dawn of War" books have supposedly been stopped from printing anymore, as have his Deathwatch books.

So we just wait for the current stock to run out and then voila! NO MOAR!

I thought they were forcing him to rewrite it? Firing him would be better... but this is a bit off topic.




Anyway... what to do with Sisters... mY suggestion:


HQ Choices
1: Adepta Sororitas Heroine (IE, Canoness and Palatine, but rolled into one statline)
2: Sub-Heroine of some sort (IE, a veteran Sister, same stats as a Celestian VSS but with a second wound)
3: High Priestess (Some form of high-level Ecclesiarchy official)
4: A fourth choice?
--- Redemptionist preacher?
--- Something connected with the Mechanicus? (all other Imperial armies have them)
--- Lower level Ecclesiarchy official?

Elites Choices
1: Celestians (with BP+CCW)
2: Sisters Repentia (vastly rebalanced)
3: Arco-Flagellants
4: Priest squads?
5: A unit of elite storm bolter wielding Sisters?
6: A sniper squad?
7: A highly customizable, yet small group of Sisters veterans? Thinking more like Nobz or Command Squads than Sternguard/Vanguard.

Troops Choices
1: Battle Sisters
2: Novitiates (Graduates from the Schola Progenium whom have not yet earned their bolter and power armor)
3: Frateris Militia?

Fast Attack Choices
1: Dominions (with Scouts to make them worth taking, and repriced special weapons options)
2: Seraphim
3: Some form of fast tank based off of the Immolator?
4: Some form of deep striking / infiltrating Sisters (one or the other)?
5: Bikers / Jetbikers? Something which allows for the mental image of Sisters on motorcycles jousting their enemies with power spears / eviscerators (dunno, that really appeals to me).
6: Some sort of Frateris Militia FA choice, perhaps Red Redemptionists in an open topped transport?

Heavy Support Choices
1: Retributors (with more/better weapons choices, that let them compete with Exorcists)
2: Exorcist
3: Penitent Engines
4: Some form of heavy tank (I suggest an LR variant, but perhaps an up-armored exorcist with more weapons could work...)
5: Some form of flame-based artillery (an Exorcist variant that launches a barrage of S4 AP5 small blasts that ignore cover?

No Venerable Seraphims?

Necrosis wrote:

Slarg232 wrote:

Necrosis wrote:Chaos sisters is dumb. Having one chaos sister is ok but having a bunch of them is just ridiculous. If they make chaos sisters it will make sisters more like marines. That's the last thing we need.

Not if they fundamentally changed them in the process. Turn them into a daemon summoning, daemon possessed army, where their psychic/Faith powers buff daemons within so close (Blessing of Nurgle: All Daemon units within 12 inches gain FNP, stuff like that) And you would have a pretty unique army.

No you would just have a word bearer sister army.

Well, since the Word Bearers no longer have special rules.....

pretre wrote:

Slarg232 wrote:

Necrosis wrote:Chaos sisters is dumb. Having one chaos sister is ok but having a bunch of them is just ridiculous. If they make chaos sisters it will make sisters more like marines. That's the last thing we need.

Not if they fundamentally changed them in the process. Turn them into a daemon summoning, daemon possessed army, where their psychic/Faith powers buff daemons within so close (Blessing of Nurgle: All Daemon units within 12 inches gain FNP, stuff like that) And you would have a pretty unique army.

Unique army nothing like the other power armored daemon summoning army with possessed troops. Oh, but they have buffs.

Let's get our normal sisters updated first before we worry about chaos sisters.

Well, since they are more than likely going to take away the daemon summoning in the next CSM book (or at least, I hope to the Warp they do), It does kinda leave a little to be left for a daemon summoning army. And by this logic, you could eliminate Sisters, Grey Knights, Wolves, Blood Angels, and all the others, because they are almost all T4 3+save armies that use the same equipement and armor

Agreed on the normal sisters though.

Necrosis wrote:No Venerable Seraphims?

YOu mean like Vets?

Seraphim are already Vets.

Venerable ones probably would be too weak to Jump Pack.

Didn't you have something about Power Weapon wielding Crusader types?

Or was that someone else?

Either way, high WS plus PW = Good.

WARBOSS TZOO wrote:Didn't you have something about Power Weapon wielding Crusader types?

Or was that someone else?

Either way, high WS plus PW = Good.

Yep . I like the idea of Sisters on bikes with power spears charging enemy lines like an old cavalry charge. Only, of course, with a sci-fi Twist

Slarg232 wrote:

Necrosis wrote:

Slarg232 wrote:

Necrosis wrote:Chaos sisters is dumb. Having one chaos sister is ok but having a bunch of them is just ridiculous. If they make chaos sisters it will make sisters more like marines. That's the last thing we need.

Not if they fundamentally changed them in the process. Turn them into a daemon summoning, daemon possessed army, where their psychic/Faith powers buff daemons within so close (Blessing of Nurgle: All Daemon units within 12 inches gain FNP, stuff like that) And you would have a pretty unique army.

No you would just have a word bearer sister army.

Well, since the Word Bearers no longer have special rules.....

pretre wrote:

Slarg232 wrote:

Necrosis wrote:Chaos sisters is dumb. Having one chaos sister is ok but having a bunch of them is just ridiculous. If they make chaos sisters it will make sisters more like marines. That's the last thing we need.

Not if they fundamentally changed them in the process. Turn them into a daemon summoning, daemon possessed army, where their psychic/Faith powers buff daemons within so close (Blessing of Nurgle: All Daemon units within 12 inches gain FNP, stuff like that) And you would have a pretty unique army.

Unique army nothing like the other power armored daemon summoning army with possessed troops. Oh, but they have buffs.

Let's get our normal sisters updated first before we worry about chaos sisters.

Well, since they are more than likely going to take away the daemon summoning in the next CSM book (or at least, I hope to the Warp they do), It does kinda leave a little to be left for a daemon summoning army. And by this logic, you could eliminate Sisters, Grey Knights, Wolves, Blood Angels, and all the others, because they are almost all T4 3+save armies that use the same equipement and armor

Agreed on the normal sisters though.

But their fluff would be the same as word bearers. Hence you have just made sisters more like marines now.

@pretre

Venerable Seraphims are an elite group of Seraphims.

WARBOSS TZOO wrote:Didn't you have something about Power Weapon wielding Crusader types?

Or was that someone else?

Either way, high WS plus PW = Good.

I think some really cool Power Sword or Eviscerator with Shield, Knight looking Sisters would be a nice unit. Give them something with a CC edge in the Elite slot.



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Necrosis wrote:
@pretre

Venerable Seraphims are an elite group of Seraphims.

No.

Veteran Seraphim are an elite group of Seraphim.

Venerable Seraphim are a really old group of Seraphim.

Look up what Venerable means.


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Melissia wrote:
Yep . I like the idea of Sisters on bikes with power spears charging enemy lines like an old cavalry charge. Only, of course, with a sci-fi Twist

How do you make them functionally/visually different from Shining Spears and Rough Riders though?

Melissia wrote:

WARBOSS TZOO wrote:Didn't you have something about Power Weapon wielding Crusader types?

Or was that someone else?

Either way, high WS plus PW = Good.

Yep . I like the idea of Sisters on bikes with power spears charging enemy lines like an old cavalry charge. Only, of course, with a sci-fi Twist

No, I was thinking foot soldiers. What you're talking is basically Rough Riders in power armour.


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pretre wrote:

WARBOSS TZOO wrote:Didn't you have something about Power Weapon wielding Crusader types?

Or was that someone else?

Either way, high WS plus PW = Good.

I think some really cool Power Sword or Eviscerator with Shield, Knight looking Sisters would be a nice unit. Give them something with a CC edge in the Elite slot.

Exactly this, and I could have sword I'd seen it around the site before.

Except their power spears are ALWAYS power weapons, and they're bikers, not cavalry.

I HATE the idea of cavalry in 40k. If I ever used Rough Riders, I'd have to model them using bikes.

pretre wrote:
No.

Veteran Seraphim are an elite group of Seraphim.

Venerable Seraphim are a really old group of Seraphim.

Look up what Venerable means.

Well if you don't believe me go read faith and fire.

In that book Venerable Seraphims are an elite group of Seraphims.