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Jaon wrote:These are all nasty and 100% lethal, but Broadsides are the clear winner because none of the other ones can kill monoliths!

I had 18 Fire Dragons firing at a Monolith once, during an apocalypse game. They wasted 18 melta shots without destructive result. Only three survived to fire again next round, still without the wanted result. Eventually they assaulted the monolith and destroyed it with three meltabombs.

What's my point? Fire Dragons CAN kill Monoliths...

Baxx wrote:

Jaon wrote:These are all nasty and 100% lethal, but Broadsides are the clear winner because none of the other ones can kill monoliths!

I had 18 Fire Dragons firing at a Monolith once, during an apocalypse game. They wasted 18 melta shots without destructive result. Only three survived to fire again next round, still without the wanted result. Eventually they assaulted the monolith and destroyed it with three meltabombs.

What's my point? Fire Dragons CAN kill Monoliths...

...what exactly was the status of the Monolith when this happened? Did it have all of its weapons? Was it immobilized?

I ask because the BEST result you can get with a Meltabomb (a S8 weapon) is an Immobilized result, and that's if you roll sixes to glance, and then sixes again on the damage table.

So you'd have to roll six sixes, getting three Immobilized results (or a few fives, but doesn't the power matrix keep Weapon Destroyed from turning into Immobilized or Wrecked?) in order to even get close to wrecking it.

Melta weapons give a +1 bonus on the vehicle damage chart, so the best result would be 5 (wrecked).

Baxx wrote:Melta weapons give a +1 bonus on the vehicle damage chart, so the best result would be 5 (wrecked).

No, AP1 weapons give a +1 bonus. Melta weapons roll 2d6 for armor pen at close range, except against Monoliths.

Meltabombs are not AP1.

Ahh yes of course... must have been immobilized then.

In which case, any Immobilized results would become Weapon Destroyed, and enough of those would wreck it.

Three seems like a very low number of meltabomb hits to wreck it in one turn, though.

Hehe no, it was after 2 turns of shooting. The first turn 18 Fire Dragons fired, the next turn only the few survivors, then assaulted and finally destroyed it. Too bad he had 3 monoliths that game.

Slarg232 wrote:

Jaon wrote:These are all nasty and 100% lethal, but Broadsides are the clear winner because none of the other ones can kill monoliths!

I once saw a monolith get shot by a long Guardsmen with a Meltagun at 12" and get blown up.

The dude basically shot it over his shoulder as he was running away..

Events like those should cause auto rally even if below half.

SaintHazard wrote:In which case, any Immobilized results would become Weapon Destroyed, and enough of those would wreck it.

Three seems like a very low number of meltabomb hits to wreck it in one turn, though.

You cannot weapon destroy a monolith to death; the power matrix can never be destroyed, AND the other weapon never gets destroyed, just loses shots.

The only way a S8 weapon can kill a monolith is if it is AP1

nosferatu1001 wrote:

SaintHazard wrote:In which case, any Immobilized results would become Weapon Destroyed, and enough of those would wreck it.

Three seems like a very low number of meltabomb hits to wreck it in one turn, though.

You cannot weapon destroy a monolith to death; the power matrix can never be destroyed, AND the other weapon never gets destroyed, just loses shots.

The only way a S8 weapon can kill a monolith is if it is AP1

And I believe EMP and Haywire are the only grenades that will kill it.

nosferatu1001 wrote:You cannot weapon destroy a monolith to death; the power matrix can never be destroyed, AND the other weapon never gets destroyed, just loses shots.

The only way a S8 weapon can kill a monolith is if it is AP1

That's what I thought, but I wasn't certain. Been reading the Monolith entry in my codex trying to figure this out.

So how did you manage to destroy this Monolith, then, Baxx?

By using some BROADSIDE allies?

the nightbringer kills tanks dead

lowmanjason wrote:the nightbringer kills tanks dead

I do believe that the Nightbringer Kills EVERYTHING. Just sayin'. 360 points of unstoppability. And yes, I did make up that word.

micahaphone wrote:

lowmanjason wrote:the nightbringer kills tanks dead

I do believe that the Nightbringer Kills EVERYTHING. Just sayin'. 360 points of unstoppability. And yes, I did make up that word.

OK, some great insight there guys. As incredibly powerful as the Night-bringer is, he's VERY slow and VERY short-ranged. oh and VERY expensive. you're going to have to go to a lot of effort to actually catch any cats with him let alone have him make his points back!
Sorry, but for the best anti-tank unit in the game, he doesn't quite cut-it IMHO...

Nightbringer gets bonus points for looking unbelievably cool while doing it.

The Broadsides win outright.

willydstyle wrote:I base my anti-tank prowess more on being able to kill rhinos consistently than monoliths

Going by this definition, it would be a unit of three hydras.

yeah, Hydras do have a tendency to kill av 11 dead.

HOWEVER, Here is an idea some of my guard friends have been throwing around.

Punisher, Pask, Plasma sponsons, with a lascannon

Just Dave wrote:There were rumours - and emphasis on rumours - of a Dark Eldar weapon that'd be melta AND lance...

That still wouldn't kill a monolith ...


Anyways, how about 3 obliterators?

What about Melta Storm troopers. With a re roll to scatter that means they are more likely to land in the intended area. and for 100 points for the squad, not a bad deal.

Yeah, but they're extremely expensive and you only have two meltaguns.

Not bad as a throwaway unit in a high-level game (though not good either), but it doesn't even qualify for testing to see if it's the best anti-tank unit in the game.