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Im Glad to hear grey knights are to be released but i was wanting the Necrons to get some love. I think GK will be my next army an ill have to sulk until Necrons come out. lol.

I think you're reading too much into it, I personally dismissed it as a typo (d and are are very close and stickmonkey does have some writing errors here and there).

I think he was talking about the 2+ save, not any particular kind of armor, and that the armor they have will fit any regular SM kit.

I hope they don't change the fluff too much, especially the chapter 666 bit.

On the other hand, IMO it would spoil a good mystery if they explained that.

Kanluwen wrote:Hrm. Aegis, Anointer, and Artificer Armor?

Intriguing. "Anointer" suggests we'll see some kind of Chaplain to me.

It suggests you're reading too much into his list of appropriate-sounding A-words.

As grey knights are their own army...will other chapters still be able to take a unit of them as allies?

wizard12 wrote:I hope they don't change the fluff too much, especially the chapter 666 bit.

On the other hand, IMO it would spoil a good mystery if they explained that.

Judging that the email I got from GW about the release had Chapter 666 in the subject line, that wont be a problem .... Up the irons! The Number of the Beast lives .

Yes, another person who isn't mistaking it for the number of the devil!

AlexHolker wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Hrm. Aegis, Anointer, and Artificer Armor?

Intriguing. "Anointer" suggests we'll see some kind of Chaplain to me.

It suggests you're reading too much into his list of appropriate-sounding A-words.

Maybe, but I can't really see what "Anointer"/"Anointed" Armor would be for outside of a Chaplain or some kind of "spiritual"/"exorcist" character.

"Aegis" armour, after all, is the stuff layered with Hexagrammic Wards intended for the "standard" Grey Knights to be wearing.
"Artificer" armour is what rumors are saying the Sergeants will be wearing or the non-Terminator equipped characters will be wearing.

Shenra wrote:As grey knights are their own army...will other chapters still be able to take a unit of them as allies?

No.

Anointed armour could be for some sort of champion (maybe similar to chapter champion or the emperors champion).

Why? Because I think [insert epic name here] the anointed sounds quite cool and anointed armour would fit.

A Grey Knight Chaplain would be all kinds of awesome kind of like Dave Taylor's fantastic Custodes Chaplain model, I'd imagine!

stickmonkey wrote:Well more is coming soon and I think the players who have been waiting will be happy.

I'm not breaking NDA to clarify what I've already stated in the past, so:

1. Expect a new codex which expands the fluff greatly.
2. Expect plastic Terminator GKs, in scale and compatiable with current plastic Teminators
3. Expect plastic power armor sized GKs, whether this armor is actually aegis, annointer, artificer, etc is a mute point, they will be in scale and compatible with all other standard sized marines
4. Expect new sculpts of existing metal character minis
5. Expect a few "new" plastic kits and metal blisters (for the specific rumored kits see the numerous other threads, I'm not going to reveal anything specific here)
6. This will be a wave release, not all of the units of the codex will be represented by models in the release or current ranges
7. IMHO, the models are some of the best sculpts I've ever seen out of GW.

Does this strike anyone else as being...well, generic? Like any of us could have come up with this list without being given any knowledge of what's being released?

He's just confirming stuff. He says he's under a NDA, meaning he must keep a lot of stuff to himself, while still being able to put forward some stuff, like new sculpts for existing character miniatures - wouldn't be an item in my list (or most people) if I was just making things up.

Besides, stickmonkey has already proven what he's worth. Well, maybe not to you, but there must be some reason people still hold his posts in high regard.

I don't like the allies and the way they can drastically effect an army or game right now (i'm looking at You mystics!) but I do hope they keep in rules of some form for taking a unit of Grey Knights in other Imperial armies. Something Legion-Of-The-Damned-esque where they have to show up by Deep Strike, representing them showing up unannounced and unbidden by the "host" army.

Sadly, Aduro, I don't think we'll be getting that, at all.

Allies are gone for good, unfortunately.

Destrado wrote:He's just confirming stuff. He says he's under a NDA, meaning he must keep a lot of stuff to himself, while still being able to put forward some stuff, like new sculpts for existing character miniatures - wouldn't be an item in my list (or most people) if I was just making things up.

Besides, stickmonkey has already proven what he's worth. Well, maybe not to you, but there must be some reason people still hold his posts in high regard.

Every time there's a codex these days there's always new plastic kits and sculpts for old and new characters. Hell, I'm sure someone in this thread or the other there's been a wishlisting post very similar to this - not to say it was copied, but that anyone could have come up with that after looking at the last few releases.

If this were someone else I could take it as being necessarily vague, but this is Stickmonkey we're talking about, who if he's proven about anything it's that he often has bad info.

It just seems like such a good move to keep it in though. To keep their age old fluff/role of a unit of Knights being used in other armies. Plus it's good marketing letting more people buy what are sure to be a higher priced kit for all the detail and doodads it's supposed to have. For rules for it you just let them have a single unit of PAGK or TAGK, no characters or anything, they have to Deep Strike, and take up an Elites slot so they're not Scoring.

There's always Apocalypse or house rules between friends.

Destrado wrote:

ThatMG wrote:I wonder if they are gonna include any new "good" psychic powers for some characters or even Chaplain+Librarians.

Yes to psychic powers, no to Chaplains, why would they even need Librarians, or Chaplibrarians?

ThatMG wrote:I would LOL IRL if they make the Gray Knight Uber e.g. noobs can win tounies just to see all the ranting it would cause.

Yeah, and everyone would laugh together and hold hands and even Dave would put down his sword and smile.

What i ment was chaplains and librarians because of various novels stating they have them, I understand its not cannon but I like the story that the Gray Knights are one of the "Best Chapters" in the sense they have the most resources at their desposal its just how GW wants them to be implemented.

bhsman wrote:

stickmonkey wrote:Well more is coming soon and I think the players who have been waiting will be happy.

I'm not breaking NDA to clarify what I've already stated in the past, so:

1. Expect a new codex which expands the fluff greatly.
2. Expect plastic Terminator GKs, in scale and compatiable with current plastic Teminators
3. Expect plastic power armor sized GKs, whether this armor is actually aegis, annointer, artificer, etc is a mute point, they will be in scale and compatible with all other standard sized marines
4. Expect new sculpts of existing metal character minis
5. Expect a few "new" plastic kits and metal blisters (for the specific rumored kits see the numerous other threads, I'm not going to reveal anything specific here)
6. This will be a wave release, not all of the units of the codex will be represented by models in the release or current ranges
7. IMHO, the models are some of the best sculpts I've ever seen out of GW.

Does this strike anyone else as being...well, generic? Like any of us could have come up with this list without being given any knowledge of what's being released?

He's just confirming stuff. He says he's under a NDA, meaning he must keep a lot of stuff to himself, while still being able to put forward some stuff, like new sculpts for existing character miniatures - wouldn't be an item in my list (or most people) if I was just making things up.

Besides, stickmonkey has already proven what he's worth. Well, maybe not to you, but there must be some reason people still hold his posts in high regard.

Once again, stickmonkey is as reliable as a redshirt (read: not reliable at all). Half of what he posts never comes to fruition or is just plain wrong, I doubt he is under any sort of NDA whatsoever, otherwise GW is feeding him a lot of misinformation (or maybe its just a general lack of information).

Yea, even assuming the best, that he's being honest but fed bad info, that doesn't make him a reliable source.

bhsman wrote:Yea, even assuming the best, that he's being honest but fed bad info, that doesn't make him a reliable source.

The problem sometimes with some of the omnipresent sources that appear over and over again as the forum news/rumors generators is that it's clearly so important to them to be the first to post news or rumors that the attention they seek for doing so is obviously at times more important than actually providing reliable information. And every forum has a user or two like that. I can think of one forum where virtually every post in the rumors area is by one person and they blatantly get annoyed on the occasions someone else beats them to it. It's some kind of weird ego-feeding game for some people and the nastiness that occurs in every rumors section in every 40K forum I've ever seen is proof of that. Generating information is what it's about for some, while others seem to get their kicks from denigrating the news provided by others if they think they can find an implausibility in it to attack, real or imagined. And as we know, many bits of good information have been scoffed at over the years because of that little game. For the people who don't wish to play those toxic games the rumors area of forums is often off limits, and I've had at least one well-respected hobbyist tell me he stays away from both the rumors and general discussion area of this very forum because of the nasty games played there.

But, back to the Grey Knights rumors themselves, it's not like some info hasn't already leaked out in spite of the lack of pictures and some of the rumors are assuredly real info because it always seems to run like that. So, for those people planning to start or add to their GK force, maybe we should buy and paint a Stormraven as soon as it appears in February in preparation for using it with GK in April.

So you're saying that I'm included in that group of degenerate(r)s, then?

BrassScorpion wrote:[The problem sometimes with some of the omnipresent sources that appear over and over again as the forum news/rumors generators is that it's clearly so important to them to be the first to post news or rumors that the attention they seek for doing so is obviously at times more important than actually providing reliable information...

Actually, the REAL problem is people going to a Rumors thread/forum and expecting to get facts.

We have two current facts:
1) Grey Knights are (Currently) scheduled to be released in April, 2011
2) Some new plastics will be released (how many, what and when they will be released are still unknown)

Anything else is RUMOR or NDA breaking and unconfirmable leaks

I was kinda hoping that they'd pull something out of the fluff something along the lines of the Grey Knights being founded by Nathaniel Garro (Flight of the Eisenstein ends with 3 people being suggested as the beginings of the Inquisition, Garro would make a perfect head of Ordos Malleus, Qruze for Ordos Xenos and Kendel for Ordos Hereticus... or something... meh)

I was kinda hoping that they'd pull something out of the fluff something along the lines of the Grey Knights being founded by Nathaniel Garro

The most recent Codex books have been loaded with special named characters and creatures, so there will probably be something fun like that in the new book.

CX316 wrote:I was kinda hoping that they'd pull something out of the fluff something along the lines of the Grey Knights being founded by Nathaniel Garro (Flight of the Eisenstein ends with 3 people being suggested as the beginings of the Inquisition, Garro would make a perfect head of Ordos Malleus, Qruze for Ordos Xenos and Kendel for Ordos Hereticus... or something... meh)

Yeah they pretty much confirm that garro recruits the first grey knights in Garro - Oath of Moment.

johnstewartjohn wrote:

CX316 wrote:I was kinda hoping that they'd pull something out of the fluff something along the lines of the Grey Knights being founded by Nathaniel Garro (Flight of the Eisenstein ends with 3 people being suggested as the beginnings of the Inquisition, Garro would make a perfect head of Ordos Malleus, Qruze for Ordos Xenos and Kendel for Ordos Hereticus... or something... meh)

Yeah they pretty much confirm that garro recruits the first grey knights in Garro - Oath of Moment.

Yeah, no it doesn't. It just "confirms" that Garro and the other survivors seem to be the ones who founded the Inquisition(or at least what laid the groundwork to later become the Inquisition).

I doubt we'll see Garro as a special character.

ThatMG wrote:What I meant was chaplains and librarians because of various novels stating they have them, I understand its not canon but I like the story that the Grey Knights are one of the "Best Chapters" in the sense they have the most resources at their disposal, its just how GW wants them to be implemented.

What's the point of Librarians in an organization that is entirely made of Psykers who are equivalent to the Librarians of the mainstream Chapters? I've also never seen mention of Grey Knight Librarians. Deathwatch Librarians are a stalwart piece of fiction that likely isn't going anywhere.

Grey Knight "Chaplains" however, yeah. They've been mentioned at least once or twice.

It's important to remember that while Grey Knights are "one of the best Chapters"...they're also a Chapter that's, historically, been geared and trained for one thing. Exposing and cleansing Daemonic infestations and taints.

Anything beyond that is weird and new and scares me.

Kanluwen wrote:It's important to remember that while Grey Knights are "one of the best Chapters"...they're also a Chapter that's, historically, been geared and trained for one thing. Exposing and cleansing Daemonic infestations and taints.

Anything beyond that is weird and new and scares me.

Its amazing where one kind find taint given the proper tools and motivation. Innocence proves nothing.

Doomgrin wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:It's important to remember that while Grey Knights are "one of the best Chapters"...they're also a Chapter that's, historically, been geared and trained for one thing. Exposing and cleansing Daemonic infestations and taints.

Anything beyond that is weird and new and scares me.

Its amazing where one kind find taint given the proper tools and motivation. Innocence proves nothing.

You seem to know an awful lot about finding daemons. That can only mean one thing:

He's a witch!

Purge him with fire!