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Grakmar wrote:

Doomgrin wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:It's important to remember that while Grey Knights are "one of the best Chapters"...they're also a Chapter that's, historically, been geared and trained for one thing. Exposing and cleansing Daemonic infestations and taints.

Anything beyond that is weird and new and scares me.

Its amazing where one kind find taint given the proper tools and motivation. Innocence proves nothing.

You seem to know an awful lot about finding daemons. That can only mean one thing:

He's a witch!

Purge him with fire!

I weigh more than a duck, so I am fine.

I am apprehensive about this codex.
I collected Deamonhunters for the Inquisitorial side rather than Grey Knights, who came about for me at a much later time.
I like my IST army and my Inquisitor units.
I get the bad feeling that this is going to ruin a large part of my collection and turn it into something similar vain of BA :/

alphaomega wrote:I am apprehensive about this codex.
I collected Deamonhunters for the Inquisitorial side rather than Grey Knights, who came about for me at a much later time.
I like my IST army and my Inquisitor units.
I get the bad feeling that this is going to ruin a large part of my collection and turn it into something similar vain of BA :/

I can't guarantee they won't make ISTs as Troops require some kind of special character, but rarely does GW like to invalidate units from a previous codex. Keep your hopes up!

bhsman wrote:

alphaomega wrote:I am apprehensive about this codex.
I collected Deamonhunters for the Inquisitorial side rather than Grey Knights, who came about for me at a much later time.
I like my IST army and my Inquisitor units.
I get the bad feeling that this is going to ruin a large part of my collection and turn it into something similar vain of BA :/

I can't guarantee they won't make ISTs as Troops require some kind of special character, but rarely does GW like to invalidate units from a previous codex. Keep your hopes up!

I am already prepared, if needed will make them into Grenadiers by adding more special weapons

alphaomega wrote:I am apprehensive about this codex.
I collected Deamonhunters for the Inquisitorial side rather than Grey Knights, who came about for me at a much later time.
I like my IST army and my Inquisitor units.
I get the bad feeling that this is going to ruin a large part of my collection and turn it into something similar vain of BA :/

I think that a lot of people won't have a problem playing against your previous edition Daemonhunters army. There is a guy who still brings a Lost and the Damned list to my FLGS and nobody has refused to play him.

alphaomega wrote:I am apprehensive about this codex.

There are a number of us in the same boat.

It's hard to get excited about a new Codex that will do little but invalidate our existing army (and not in the usual 'change a few things' way, but in a 'this army doesn't exist any more' way).

H.B.M.C. wrote:
It's hard to get excited about a new Codex that will do little but invalidate our existing army (and not in the usual 'change a few things' way, but in a 'this army doesn't exist any more' way).

Tyranids anyone?

H.B.M.C. wrote:

alphaomega wrote:I am apprehensive about this codex.

There are a number of us in the same boat.

It's hard to get excited about a new Codex that will do little but invalidate our existing army (and not in the usual 'change a few things' way, but in a 'this army doesn't exist any more' way).

I have already had WHFB pretty much invalidated because I hate the lack of force chart etc.
I just really hope GK are unique and not the next bigger, better, harder Space Marine army.

puma713 wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:
It's hard to get excited about a new Codex that will do little but invalidate our existing army (and not in the usual 'change a few things' way, but in a 'this army doesn't exist any more' way).

Tyranids anyone?

not even close, dude. just because that particular army didn't come with any super-power builds doesn't mean that it was invalidated. there is a difference between being having the overall power level nerfed compared with other codicies and having your army *poof* out of existence.

They didn't *Poof* it out of existance though. GW (might have) made it so that a SC will allow your ISTs to be taken as troops.

Just because that particular army isn't as powerful as it is now doesn't mean it's invalidated either.

I know, it sucks, but cheer up a little, at least they didn't take ISTs out entirely... Though I do own 2 Squads of the buggers, wonder if they will make good Henchmen...

Footsloggin wrote:They didn't *Poof* it out of existance though. GW (might have) made it so that a SC will allow your ISTs to be taken as troops.

Just because that particular army isn't as powerful as it is now doesn't mean it's invalidated either.

I know, it sucks, but cheer up a little, at least they didn't take ISTs out entirely... Though I do own 2 Squads of the buggers, wonder if they will make good Henchmen...

60 of them.
And a SC means I have to take it to take my army that, is something that I have never been keen on. This is part of why I am thinking that it is going to either fly or sink.

Still I will have the Witch Hunter's codex till that is replaced.
Least them I can use my army, a bit with a few points changes.

Footsloggin wrote:They didn't *Poof* it out of existance though. GW (might have) made it so that a SC will allow your ISTs to be taken as troops.

Just because that particular army isn't as powerful as it is now doesn't mean it's invalidated either.

I know, it sucks, but cheer up a little, at least they didn't take ISTs out entirely... Though I do own 2 Squads of the buggers, wonder if they will make good Henchmen...

so how exactly would you play those leman russ tanks some players currently have along with their inducted guard platoons complete with heavy and special weapon squads in with their codex GK stuff? some armies do indeed go *poof* with the loss of inducted/allied guard/marines.

I wasn't speaking about allied armies, I was talking about IST armies...

Anyway, we will have to see the Codex first. IST armies may or may not be viable, but again, the SC will need to be evaluated first by the player to determine whether or not they want to make use of him.

This is assuming they even go the way of the Special Character. ISTs or their equivalents could be Troops Choices alongside PAGK for all we know.

EDIT: I mean, Blood Angels didn't get Scouts as Elites just because they kept Tacticals and Assault Squads as Troops.

puma713 wrote:Tyranids anyone?

Apples and oranges.

When the current 'Nid Codex came out Tyranids didn't cease to exist. You could still play Tyranids. Your specific army mightn't be viable, or even legal, any more - but Tyranids were still an active race in the game that could be played with an updated Codex. Things changed, but you didn't lose anything (ie. all the units that had been there were still there). Once the Grey Knight Codex hits, my Daemonhunters army ceases to be (aside from some generic Henchmen, Storm Troopers, and a Special Character to make 'em troops) as everything shifts gears and this becomes not an Inquisitorial Codex with a Chamber Militant, but another Space Marine Codex with some additional units to placate DH players. It's not as bad as when my Lost & The Damned army got Squatted, but it's close. And I get to go through it again when the Witch Hunters Codex gets mutated into Codex: Sisters of Battle.

The irony of it all is that the one Chamber Militant I did get a whole army of (Deathwatch) never even got a Codex in the first place.

alphaomega wrote:
I just really hope GK are unique and not the next bigger, better, harder Space Marine army.

Well, Im sort of expecting them to top SW as far as power/cheese.

I also wouldnt be surprised to see them majorly revamp things and cause a bit of "WTF my army is useless now". Think about it, GW wants to make money...releasing a codex that allows people to use their existing armies with out having to buy anything other than a $30 book wont make them much money. However, a major restructure that invalidates at least 1/2 of a players existing army, causing them to buy many new minis, along with buying the new book...that makes a good chunk of money.

I do feel for you folks a bit, but since I dont use the 40k rules system, and Im only in GK for some of the minis, I dont care at all what they do to the codex.

alphaomega wrote:60 of them.
And a SC means I have to take it to take my army that, is something that I have never been keen on. This is part of why I am thinking that it is going to either fly or sink.

Heh. Ditto. I've got 6 squads as well, all mounted in Valks. I've even converted some to be 'Officiers' (even though they don't really have any), and even made a Storm Trooper Starndard Bearer for fun (not that converting it was fun - headswaps on Storm Trooper models is a PAIN).

And ever time someone says "Well you can just take a special character" I die a little inside. I don't want to take a Special Character. I don't want to need to take a Special Character to play my army. I want to be able to take my own characters to play the army I already have, not someone else's character to keep playing the army I built. If they had decided to scrap the Blood Angels and just said that the Assault Marines could be taken as Troops in a Space Marine army if a BA Special Character was taken as your HQ, do you think people would have been ok with that? Of course not!

So why should we? Because we're 'just' Inquisitorial players, and we're not important?

warboss wrote:

puma713 wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:
It's hard to get excited about a new Codex that will do little but invalidate our existing army (and not in the usual 'change a few things' way, but in a 'this army doesn't exist any more' way).

Tyranids anyone?

not even close, dude. just because that particular army didn't come with any super-power builds doesn't mean that it was invalidated. there is a difference between being having the overall power level nerfed compared with other codicies and having your army *poof* out of existence.

Right, and I wasn't talking about power-levels. I was talking about builds being invalidated. Not to H.B.M.C.'s level, it sounds like, but people that had builds that they had based years of gaming on saw their army disappear. Sure, they still had the models and had to 'adapt or die', but it doesn't mean that they just roll over and say, "Oh well, the army I've become comfortable with isn't even playable. Shucks."

It affects them negatively. Some so much that they stop playing that particular army or stop playing 40K altogether because they can't afford anything new. One guy at our FLGS hasn't been around since the new Tyranid codex dropped and that's all he played. Usually, he was at every event. Now, not even one. Knowing him, it is probably because his build was neutered and he doesn't have the resources to start up again or begin a new army. Granted this is speculation, but it sucks when that happens to anyone, on any level.

i have a feeling that it will just be that Inquisitor lords will unlock ISTs as troops and you won't need to have Cotez or someone new as an HQ to use them(not that they wouldn't be a bad HQ)

you just won't be able to use only a GK Hero as a HQ and have ISTs as troops.

Inquisitors probably won't be an Elite unit anymore though. even the most junior inquisitor can command any Impierial force to do his bidding.


Prehaps there will be 2-3 different HQ inquisitors. different ranks if you will.

Well that'd be nice. I use a lot of Inquisitors in my armies - and yes, they all have background fluff and names and the whole shebang. My Inquisitorial army is a very fluff-driven force. I mean, it has to be. The army's no good on the table - and never was going to be - so there has to be a reason to play it.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Well that'd be nice. I use a lot of Inquisitors in my armies - and yes, they all have background fluff and names and the whole shebang. My Inquisitorial army is a very fluff-driven force. I mean, it has to be. The army's no good on the table - and never was going to be - so there has to be a reason to play it.

Because they are insane and have a story. And few people I have met play them. Sure Knight and Sisters are played but not the Ordos themselves.
And as a long time player, 7 years in August, I have actually won more games with them than anything else, maybe it is the fact that I tend to play radical with assassins and deamonhosts etc but it is my longest standing army by far. My Marines are as generic as can be but only 3 years old, and olny started as I wanted to do an Apocalypse Imperial Crusade.
And yet I reckon it is going to be this that is hurt by this up date.
I have just repainted 43 of my IST and I fear that they are going to be side-lined for Ironically the thing that interested me least in the whole of the Imperium.

Sounds like alot of IST players are gonna be hit pretty hard by this codex, but on the bright side GW seems to be updating all the armys (at least thats the feeling i get).

I'm totally stoked about grey knights getting a new codex and some new models!!!! hopefully i'll be able to afford some soon. the old terminators are the reason i wanted to play warhammer in the first place!!

i hope it doesn't go too bad for yall.

H.B.M.C. wrote:When the current 'Nid Codex came out Tyranids didn't cease to exist. You could still play Tyranids. Your specific army mightn't be viable, or even legal, any more - but Tyranids were still an active race in the game that could be played with an updated Codex. Things changed, but you didn't lose anything (ie. all the units that had been there were still there). Once the Grey Knight Codex hits, my Daemonhunters army ceases to be (aside from some generic Henchmen, Storm Troopers, and a Special Character to make 'em troops) as everything shifts gears and this becomes not an Inquisitorial Codex with a Chamber Militant, but another Space Marine Codex with some additional units to placate DH players. It's not as bad as when my Lost & The Damned army got Squatted, but it's close. And I get to go through it again when the Witch Hunters Codex gets mutated into Codex: Sisters of Battle.

The irony of it all is that the one Chamber Militant I did get a whole army of (Deathwatch) never even got a Codex in the first place.

I understand your concern H.B.M.C (although I haven't experienced it), but to be fair, we don't know what will or won't be viable until we see the Codex. Yes, it's Games-Workshop so we shouldn't hold too much hope, particularly after your past experiences, but I wouldn't say we can say these things with such certainty.

Even so, this sounds like a good idea...

Grey Templar wrote:i have a feeling that it will just be that Inquisitor lords will unlock ISTs as troops and you won't need to have Cotez or someone new as an HQ to use them(not that they wouldn't be a bad HQ)

you just won't be able to use only a GK Hero as a HQ and have ISTs as troops.

Inquisitors probably won't be an Elite unit anymore though. even the most junior inquisitor can command any Impierial force to do his bidding.


Prehaps there will be 2-3 different HQ inquisitors. different ranks if you will.

As much as your entire build going "poof" sucks, Grey Knights pretty much suck atm. They need a complete overhaul, and thats what their getting.

I doubt any units are going to be invalidated, but Grey Knights needed change, and now they are getting it. No point crying over spilt milk guys, its not like you grey knight players didnt get the longest time to play your old armies.

Live and let live, forgive and forget, build a new army, using some of your old units. I welcome this change, so stop complaining!

I'm very interested in this release personally. I love the Inquisition. I'm going to have to get a Grey Knight army on the side along with my Sister of Battle army. I'm a bit concerned with how the whole way the Inquisition is going to work; with the whole commanders unlocking troops. Its a shame that it'll be impossible or more difficult to field Inqusitorial Stormtroopers and Grey Knights/Sisters of Battle; though I guess I can see the reason for it.

Hopefully the Inquisition itself will get some unique units for the Inquisitor.

Grey Templar wrote:

Prehaps there will be 2-3 different HQ inquisitors. different ranks if you will.

Would be sweet if there was an Inq box like the SM commander or CSM lord.

So can we expect some more stealthy pictures to appear in the next White Dwarf?

H.B.M.C. wrote:

alphaomega wrote:I am apprehensive about this codex.

There are a number of us in the same boat.

It's hard to get excited about a new Codex that will do little but invalidate our existing army (and not in the usual 'change a few things' way, but in a 'this army doesn't exist any more' way).

Well I for one am excited.
I mean really, how little do we know about the codex, it's still could have some cool inquisitor characters.

vaatbak wrote:
Well I for one am excited.
I mean really, how little do we know about the codex, it's still could have some cool inquisitor characters.

actually if rumors are to be believed not only are inquisitor armies going to be supported but are a viable option (with humans w/ stormbolters or storm shields being very cheap/good for their cost) so the people moaning about it amuse me, since they are causing themselves undue grief because they are illiterate apparently

Grundz wrote:

vaatbak wrote:
Well I for one am excited.
I mean really, how little do we know about the codex, it's still could have some cool inquisitor characters.

actually if rumors are to be believed not only are inquisitor armies going to be supported but are a viable option (with humans w/ stormbolters or storm shields being very cheap/good for their cost) so the people moaning about it amuse me, since they are causing themselves undue grief because they are illiterate apparently

Adaptus Mechanicus army,

HERE I COME!!!!!