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dajobe wrote:yeah, hes got another fist behind that beard...duh, even bruce lee cant sustain that amount of firepower!!!

*Admiral Ackbar voice*

He cannot repel fists of that magnitude!

dangit, messed up my SW reference...(skulks in corner)

So about mind battles; marines may not be the sharpest knife the the drawer but they are only beaten by two or three blades for number one. Not exactly weak minded or willed. Even if a Jedi ordered them to shoot their neighbor in the head a bolter on SM armor at point blank range? I think they are supposed to be relatively ineffective on Power armor at close range like that.

Now remember Marines are front line shock troopers jedi are support units. A Jedi is not meant to soak up the fire that a squad of marines could put out and we all know that no jedi blocks every shot sent at him.

A simple squad would have the ability to stand to a mind trick and fill the Jedis body with fine red mist and air. Now we ask can a light saber cut through Ceramite at the hard points, a power sword, and a chain sword.

dajobe wrote:lol, you guys have covered some of the "greatest" star wars quotes, i cant watch episode 3 again because i hate the acting so much...

well, it IS better then Avatar. at least it had a story

very true, very true, it had story, and cool fight scenes, i guess "cant watch" is too harsh, i just prefer the others in the series

Complete answer to the OP:

Maybe

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I think coolyo got it in the first post.

iproxtaco wrote:I think coolyo got it in the first post.

Victory is mine!

coolyo294 wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:I think coolyo got it in the first post.

Victory is mine!

All hail coolyo294! The winner of the thread!

Psienesis- Actually that isn't what the prophecy meant at all. The dark and light aren't 2 sides of the force like you suggested. The Light is the force and the dark side is a corrupted twisted version. The force used by the jedi is the balanced version of the force. At least that is what the prophecy says.

gaovinni wrote:

coolyo294 wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:I think coolyo got it in the first post.

Victory is mine!

All hail coolyo294! The winner of the thread!

i agreed with his post when he first typed it, but some starwars fanbois had to go and muck it all up!

no, thats what the Jedi interperted it to be.


Originally, there were just Jedi, whose members used what would come to be known as the Light and Dark sides of the force at their discression.

then the Light side members took over and banished the Dark side from practice.

thats racist of the jedi!

more like persecuting an opposing Philosophy.

it was supposed to be funny, LIGHT side and DARK side...i know i make bad jokes that are hard to understand...

There's plenty of poorly-concealed racism in the prequel trilogy, but the Light vs Dark sides of the Force are not part of it.

Though, what *is* part of it is Mace Windu getting killed by some skinny-arsed white boy... that gak just would not happen. Mace would beat the piss out of Palpatine and Anakin and then tell Anakin to get up and give him his lightsabre.

Anakin would ask which one was his, and Mace would tell him, as if it were the most obvious thing in the galaxy, that it's the one that has "Badass Motherfether" written on it.


... though, in reality, the prop that Sam Jackson carried as his lightsabre in the films really does have "Badass Motherfu**er" (unedited) stamped on it.

DeadlySquirrel wrote:A single jedi at the height of his/her power could wipe out a codex chapter. Nuff said.

/thread.

I wouldnt go that far

I love how in these debates people usually try to talk about the topic, but every once in a while, someone tries to bring up the Independent characters or super people when it is about the average joe soldier of the army

couldn't a librarian just use his psychic hood to cancel a jedi's force abilities? Unfortunately you would need A LOT of librarians.

TechMarine1 wrote:couldn't a librarian just use his psychic hood to cancel a jedi's force abilities? Unfortunately you would need A LOT of librarians.

No, they couldn't. Jedi are not psykers.

Clone troopers were clearly superior to Jedi. They only failed to kill 2, and those had extenuating circumstances.

So unless the assumption is that the clone troopers are better than space marines, shouldn't that be the debate?

Nerivant wrote:

TechMarine1 wrote:couldn't a librarian just use his psychic hood to cancel a jedi's force abilities? Unfortunately you would need A LOT of librarians.

No, they couldn't. Jedi are not psykers.

We can't make an assumption either way.


by technical definition, Force powers would fall under the definition of psychic powers or, more appropriatly, Magic.

We arn't told the power source behind Force Powers and so they are technically "Magic", but might be of psychic nature(Midiclorients could simply be a channeling mechanisim by which the power for the psychic ability flows)

Psychic Powers(in 40k) channel the power of the warp through individuals who posess a mental and genetic predisposition for doing so.

Side Note: Ironically, we actually have more information on Psychic abilities, their origins, and their source of power then we do for Force Powers(whose knowledge is mostly limited to being enabled by midiclorients and descriptions of different techniques) which is odd because Star Wars goes into more detail in just about every area.

Grey Templar wrote:

Nerivant wrote:

TechMarine1 wrote:couldn't a librarian just use his psychic hood to cancel a jedi's force abilities? Unfortunately you would need A LOT of librarians.

No, they couldn't. Jedi are not psykers.

We can't make an assumption either way.


by technical definition, Force powers would fall under the definition of psychic powers or, more appropriatly, Magic.

We arn't told the power source behind Force Powers and so they are technically "Magic", but might be of psychic nature(Midiclorients could simply be a channeling mechanisim by which the power for the psychic ability flows)

Psychic Powers(in 40k) channel the power of the warp through individuals who posess a mental and genetic predisposition for doing so.

Side Note: Ironically, we actually have more information on Psychic abilities, their origins, and their source of power then we do for Force Powers(whose knowledge is mostly limited to being enabled by midiclorients and descriptions of different techniques) which is odd because Star Wars goes into more detail in just about every area.

Psykers channel the power of the Warp. Force users do not.

Psychic powers in 40k come from the Warp. Force powers do not.

I think that's pretty clear.

TechMarine1 wrote:couldn't a librarian just use his psychic hood to cancel a jedi's force abilities? Unfortunately you would need A LOT of librarians.

I dont think Jedi powers are phycic

So, a few Jedi and some clone troopers take on a Librarian and a squad of space marines. The fight is close, both sides are dishing it out but not quite taking any losses just yet. Then through the side wall, there is a giant crash, and it explodes. As the dust settles both the Jedi and the marines look to the wall, where there is a now a huge hole. Standing there is Chuck Norris and the Juggernaut, and they team up and whoop everyone.

The end

Nerivant wrote:

Grey Templar wrote:

Nerivant wrote:

TechMarine1 wrote:couldn't a librarian just use his psychic hood to cancel a jedi's force abilities? Unfortunately you would need A LOT of librarians.

No, they couldn't. Jedi are not psykers.

We can't make an assumption either way.


by technical definition, Force powers would fall under the definition of psychic powers or, more appropriatly, Magic.

We arn't told the power source behind Force Powers and so they are technically "Magic", but might be of psychic nature(Midiclorients could simply be a channeling mechanisim by which the power for the psychic ability flows)

Psychic Powers(in 40k) channel the power of the warp through individuals who posess a mental and genetic predisposition for doing so.

Side Note: Ironically, we actually have more information on Psychic abilities, their origins, and their source of power then we do for Force Powers(whose knowledge is mostly limited to being enabled by midiclorients and descriptions of different techniques) which is odd because Star Wars goes into more detail in just about every area.

Psykers channel the power of the Warp. Force users do not.

Psychic powers in 40k come from the Warp. Force powers do not.

I think that's pretty clear.

We can't make an assumption either way.

Jedi Powers are very similer in effect to psychic powers in 40k.

we arn't told where the power for Force Abilities comes from in explicit terms.

the Warp is an alternate dimension and as such is adjacent to the Star Wars universe as well as 40k(and every other universe in existance or non-existance)



so, the Force COULD be simply their word for Psychic Powers and abilities and I would hazard that it is quite likely. No solid evidence either way, but it is the most likely theory at this point(as Star Wars is silent as to the origin and power mechinisim of the Force)

Grey Templar wrote:
so, the Force COULD be simply their word for Psychic Powers and abilities and I would hazard that it is quite likely. No solid evidence either way, but it is the most likely theory at this point(as Star Wars is silent as to the origin and power mechinisim of the Force)

No, it's not. We know enough about Force users to know that they're not channeling power from an alternate dimension. They're harnessing a pervasive energy field created by living beings.

Nerivant wrote:

No, it's not. We know enough about Force users to know that they're not channeling power from an alternate dimension. They're harnessing a pervasive energy field created by living beings.

And what is the Warp? An alternate dimension where power is created by living beings?

Maybe the midichlorians enable a Jedi to draw from the warp. Who knows? It seems like it's fair to assume they are equivalent. Psychic Hoods can block out the Force, and things like ysalamiri can block out psychic powers.

If the Force is a pervasive energy field created by living things then it's entirely different to the Warp. Sapient creatures did not create it, their emotions shaped its landscape. One is an alternate dimension, the other is an energy field residing in the material universe. Any similarity is simple conjecture.

wouldnt the force then be able to pwn everyone and the people who manipulate the warp pwn everyone, so it would just be everyone dies, and nothing is achieved?