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**Mad4Minis**

KingmanHighborn wrote:6th edition *eyetwitch eyetwitch eyetwitch*

Seriously WTF D&D since it's incarnation has had 4 versions.

40K went through 3 in 10 years....by the gods I miss the rulebook that had the awesome Black Templars artwork on it...best 40K rule book..ever...

Apples and oranges. D&D, being a roleplaying game, is far more concerned with building a richer, deeper universe for play. They make their money from expansions, books, etc. D&D has also benefited from the fact that for most of its life its publisher wasnt obsessed with maximizing profits.

GW lives solely for making larger and larger profits. Have you noticed that 40k doesnt get better with every release, usually it gets worse. GW knows that all they have to do is promise a better game with the new release and people will rush out and buy it. Thats GWs downfall...they rely on rabid fanboys who absolutely must have the newest thing...along with those who believe GW is the end-all be-all of mini gaming.

**GiraffeX**

I really hope to see a Legions codex, I really liked playing when Legion of the damned was around. In fact it was the last time I played.

I'm now back into 40k with 5th Edition and Chaos. The chance of a new more interesting codex has kind of put me on hold from buying anything else in case I buy a load of minis I wont be able to use after March.

hmm what to do

**Platuan4th**

Mad4Minis wrote:
KingmanHighborn wrote:6th edition *eyetwitch eyetwitch eyetwitch*

Seriously WTF D&D since it's incarnation has had 4 versions.

40K went through 3 in 10 years....by the gods I miss the rulebook that had the awesome Black Templars artwork on it...best 40K rule book..ever...

Apples and oranges. D&D, being a roleplaying game, is far more concerned with building a richer, deeper universe for play. They make their money from expansions, books, etc. D&D has also benefited from the fact that for most of its life its publisher wasnt obsessed with maximizing profits.

I'm not sure it's fair to say it's only had 4 incarnations, either.

oD&D, AD&D, AD&D 2nd, 3rd, 3.5, and 4th.

Even if you take 3rd and 3.5 as the same incarnation, that's still at least 5.

**Grot 6**

ChaosxVoid wrote:Tau of slaanesh YAHOO!!

Anyways, i dont think orks would follow chaos i mean they have gork and mork.

And theres some suspicion of chaos in this my FLGS, it is getting really..khorny (<--get it) with chaos in the display cases as well as some sob although they were all covered in some dust.

The Stormboyz of Khorne disagree with you.

**H.B.M.C.**

Arschbombe wrote:"Alpha Legionaries can only bear the Mark of Chaos Undivided.."

Which makes sense. The Alpha Legion are not a 'Chaos' force like the World Eaters or the Death Guard.

Arschbombe wrote:"Iron Warriors armies may not include any Daemons apart from Daemon Princes and Possessed Chaos Space Marines..."

Which was explained in context.

Arschbombe wrote:"The only Mark that may be assigned to a model in a Word Bearers army is the mark of Chaos Undivided. "

Which makes even more sense given their whole shtick is worshipping Chaos in all its forms.

Arschbombe wrote:"If you want to use a pure World Eaters army you must adhere to the following limitations.
- All characters and units must have the Mark of Khorne. Characters and units that cannot have the Mark cannot be used..."

So only Khornate units can be used in a Khornate army. Right. Not seeing a problem here.

Arschbombe wrote:"If you want to use a pure Death Guard army you must adhere to the following limitations.
- All characters and units must have the Mark of Nurgle. Characters or units that cannot have the Mark cannot be used...."

Ditto.

And all of these could be ignored by playing a Black Legion/Vanilla Chaos army which the book also allowed.

Conclusion: Not restrictions.

Claiming that these are 'restrictions' would be like a Blood Angel player complaining because he can't field Deathwing.

**ph34r**

H.B.M.C. wrote:Claiming that these are 'restrictions' would be like a Blood Angel player complaining because he can't field Deathwing.

Exactly this.

**Volkov**

Claiming that these are 'restrictions' would be like a Blood Angel player complaining because he can't field Deathwing.

I guess its a good thing I field blood angels with ravenwing...:-)

**Slayer le boucher**

ph34r wrote:
Ouze wrote:That seems like a rather self-serving summation, in it's rather conspicuous omission of certain elements of the codex.
Sorcery, psychic powers, emperor-lazers, they're all the same thing on a basic level. Sure, it may be a bit crazy to imaging GK killing SoB, but you have to remember. Grey Knights aren't shining knights in armor that come save that day and give all the children candy after they save the planet from daemons. They kill the daemons, and then they kill the witnesses, and are so thorough that they are essentially unknown to 99.99999% of the Imperium. If the blood of the faithful is a component in some ritual that staves off a dark age of technology super-daemon-virus, they will use it.

And Draigo's fluff? It is some of the most 40k appropriate fluff out there. He's an immensely strong guy, but cursed to forever walk the warp. Nothing he does in there is of any permanent value, everything that he destroys is rebuilt every day by the nightmarish laws of warp space. He never accomplishes anything in the end. Every once in a while he is spat out in the middle of a daemonic incursion, fights for a while, and then gets sucked right back into the warp. It's a real parallel with the Imperium's fight against chaos, malevolent aliens, and itself. Full of heroic deeds, doomed to stagnation and slowly failing.

Well you summed in a few lines,all the bs that there is in the GK codex!

No need to buy the dex anymore to read the fluff.

**Kroothawk**

Anyone knows where my rumour thread on Chaos Legions is?

**H.B.M.C.**

1. You started a thread about a Chaos Codex.
2. I exist.

The results of such a combination should have been considered.

**AvatarForm**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Arschbombe wrote:"Iron Warriors armies may not include any Daemons apart from Daemon Princes and Possessed Chaos Space Marines..."

Which was explained in context.

Actually, given the post-GK FAQ, this means that Obliterators are now daemons, but are not listed above...

Does that mean that Iron Warriors now lose these?

**Dez**

Kroothawk wrote:Anyone knows where my rumour thread on Chaos Legions is?

Nothing to see here, please stay on topic.

**Asherian Command**

Dez wrote:
Kroothawk wrote:Anyone knows where my rumour thread on Chaos Legions is?

Nothing to see here, please stay on topic.

OH NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

**Ascalam**

Now that's scary

**H.B.M.C.**

AvatarForm wrote:Actually, given the post-GK FAQ, this means that Obliterators are now daemons, but are not listed above...

Does that mean that Iron Warriors now lose these?

Oblits only became Tech-Marines in the 'Chaos' Codex. Before that, whilst not Daemons, they were listed as 'Daemonkin'. And given that Iron Warriors could get possessed, I see no reason why Oblits would be suddenly out of line.

**ChocolateGork**

Cadaver wrote:I really want to be excited for a Chaos Legions codex. A good chaos codex is probably the only thing that will get me back into 40k. I'm really concerned, especially if it is released right before an edition change, it's going to be lackluster.

Orks

Orks

Orks

Good codex still powerful. so shush about this before the edition change stuff

**H.B.M.C.**

I said that a page or two back. No one seemed to notice.

**JoeyHeadwounds**

In the v3.5 CSM Codex, it stated that the Iron warriors had a "special association" with the Obliterators, and that the first Obliterators were seen with the Iron Warriors.

This is why the IW was able to field three squads of three, when the rest of the Chaos Legions were only able to field one squad of three...

**Worglock**

SkaerKrow wrote:
Ascalam wrote:The Chaos legions handed the loyalists their asses (until the final showdown), and the codex needs to reflect that.
Oh dear, I hope that you're not advocating an overpowered Chaos Codex based upon Horus pulling off a semi-successful sneak attack 10,000 years ago . We need a balanced, interesting Codex that gives players a wealth of options to assemble a characterful Legion based army, one that competes well with the current field without dominating it. We don't need Codex: "CHAOS SMASH!" .

Yes we do.

We need an entire edition of Spedz Mahreens players getting the Warhammer kicked out of them.

**H.B.M.C.**

Oh good. You found the thread.

**djphranq**

I'd love to see a Chaos Legions codex. I don't think Chaos is explored enough. Would be cool to see some 40k versions of marauders.

**Worglock**

H.B.M.C. wrote:Oh good. You found the thread.

Yeah. I found a thread where I got to skim several pages of off topic crying about Imperial Guard.

And this "rumor" is 8+ months out. Which means there will be 8+ months of crying about it, mostly from people that have "given up on" Games Workshop.

Wake me up when there's something concrete.

**JoeyHeadwounds**

True it is eight plus months out, but that just means more time to speculate, wishlist, remember the good from past Codices, and bitch about the bad.

**Death By Monkeys**

djphranq wrote:I'd love to see a Chaos Legions codex. I don't think Chaos is explored enough. Would be cool to see some 40k versions of marauders.

Fluff-wise, Chaos is one of the most deeply-delved, fully fleshed out subjects in the 40k universe - heck, two of the games' first major tomes 'Slaves to Darkness' and 'The Lost and the Damned' were dedicated to it. And rules-wise, Chaos has received a wide range of rules over the years. It's just that the current ruleset we have for Chaos is, well, less than crap.

**Worglock**

Death By Monkeys wrote:
djphranq wrote:I'd love to see a Chaos Legions codex. I don't think Chaos is explored enough. Would be cool to see some 40k versions of marauders.

Fluff-wise, Chaos is one of the most deeply-delved, fully fleshed out subjects in the 40k universe - heck, two of the games' first major tomes 'Slaves to Darkness' and 'The Lost and the Damned' were dedicated to it. And rules-wise, Chaos has received a wide range of rules over the years. It's just that the current ruleset we have for Chaos is, well, less than crap.

Yes, and it's also had the most material thrown out, retconned and ruined due to Spedz Mahreen* whining.

*We can't beat it, it's overpowered. No, Thunderfire Cannons are OK. We need those. And Land Raider Crusaders. And blue marines should get fast Baal Predators.

**Starfarer**

ChocolateGork wrote:
Cadaver wrote:I really want to be excited for a Chaos Legions codex. A good chaos codex is probably the only thing that will get me back into 40k. I'm really concerned, especially if it is released right before an edition change, it's going to be lackluster.

Orks

Orks

Orks

Good codex still powerful. so shush about this before the edition change stuff

Orks were not the last 4th edition codex, Daemons were, and they are pretty bland, and didn't carry over well, in my opinion. The Ork codex is a testament to Phil Kelly knowing how to design a good codex that can stand the test of time, not a basis for comparison to any future codex that comes out before 6th edition.

**Worglock**

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Worglock wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:Oh good. You found the thread.

Yeah. I found a thread where I got to skim several pages of off topic crying about Imperial Guard.

And this "rumor" is 8+ months out. Which means there will be 8+ months of crying about it, mostly from people that have "given up on" Games Workshop.

Wake me up when there's something concrete.

Pro tip: many players that "gave up on" GW did so because of the atrocity that the latest Codex:Chaos was.

**H.B.M.C.**

You're hilarious(ly stupid).

**Slipstream**

The only thing that concerns me about a Chaos legions codex is the amount of information that would need to be included in it to make all the legions different in style of play and army makeup. The only problem is it could be a huge book on a par with the main rulebook! Would GW evencontemplate releasing such a thing?What I will say is that the Chaos Legions at the moment seem 'vanilla', there seems to be no real difference between my Black Legion and my ongoing project(second hand and cheap deals allowing) Nightlords armies. Take the Iron Warriors and then consider the Word Bearers. Now we know that they have very different methods yet the codex does not rise above the vanilla to allow for this. Chaos should allow for probably the most interesting force in 40k yet it is far from it.

**nosferatu1001**

You could get away with a Codex: SM length book - 120 odd pages