So, was thinking of buying a handgun...

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**warpcrafter**

halonachos wrote:
dogma wrote:
Sckitzo wrote:... if you follow the basics rules of firearms safety it's no more dangerous then a large club.

That's an exaggeration. I know 2nd Amendment guys like to minimize the danger of firearms, but they really are more dangerous than knives, swords, clubs, and most other weapons due to ease of use, range of effect, and extent of damage to target.

There's a reason the world's militaries use them in lieu of other options.

Sit a gun and a knife on a table and see which one kills a person sitting in a chair across from it first.

Guns and knives are both dangerous but you don't have to load a knife for example, its just that guns are more effective than knives.

As far as antique and older guns go, ordering online usually requires you to be 21. Owning a rifle is set at 18 and owning a pistol is set at 21, buying pistol ammo is also illegal to those under 21. I tried buying some .45 acp for my dad's reproduced thompson and was turned away before I was 21.

As far as rifles go, Mosin Nagants are usually the cheapest followed by Kar98's and then M1 Garands. Sniper variants are always more expensive than their non-sniper variants. The cheapest I've seen for a 91/30 nagant was $70.00 for the rifle, bayonet, ammo pouch, sling, and oil can/cleaning kit. The site sells surplus weapons, which were used at some point but were fixed up and then stored away. The one I have has the original bolt and factory markings along with a depot marking, but has a barrel clearly marked as made in N.C.. Kar98's will almost never have matching serial numbers, and some later produced ones lacked them altogether. There are added benefits to buying in person over buying online, the biggest being you can actually see the weapon before buying it, but in stores 91/30 nagants sell for about $125.00 with no accessories.

91/30's kick like a mule, Kar98's kick like a mule, M1s kick like a sick mule.

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warpcrafter wrote:

"Not as clumsy or random as a blaster, a more elegant weapon from a more civilized era."

"Hockey religons and ancient weapons are no match for a blaster by your side. "

Well played...I have avoided owning a gun because I would be unable to resist the temptation to thin the herd.

**ineptus astartes**

I would go with the New Service revolver. same caliber, same year.

**Sckitzo**

I use a .22 bolt for my AR-15, nothing wrong with having another option.

Also think of it like this, if there is another huge ammo scare, you might not be able to get common pistols calibers again, but .22 is usually still around, so you can still practice a bit, and if need be you could use it for varmints.

Granted, might want to look at a conversion kit on down the road a bit, but once you get comfortable with the gun it's not a bad idea.

Sometimes I can really only afford to dip into .22's, and if I shoot 5k rounds that year, I gotta supplement some of that with .22, or sell a kidney.

**halonachos**

@warp,

If you really wanted to thin the herd, then lack of a gun wouldn't stop you.

If you take proper security precautions(trigger lock for newer weapons, or a gun safe) then guns are pretty safe to own. Of course you could always not buy ammo for one, guns without ammo are pretty useless.

**Sckitzo**

halonachos wrote:I pay 5 or 2 dollars when I go to the movies.

Misspost?

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Melissia wrote:This is probably what I'd be using if I got the P250:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.357_SIG

From what I gather, it's about ~15-20 USD for a 50 round box. Dunno if that's pricey, but I know peopel spend more on far less enjoyable entertainment (like going to the movies) for a day.

Also, I don't recommend the .357 Sig, ammo can be pricey and a PITA to find sometimes, unless your really want that caliber I suggest 9mm or .40, 45 would be fine and 10mm if your a masochist

**halonachos**

Sckitzo wrote:I use a .22 bolt for my AR-15, nothing wrong with having another option.

Also think of it like this, if there is another huge ammo scare, you might not be able to get common pistols calibers again, but .22 is usually still around, so you can still practice a bit, and if need be you could use it for varmints.

Granted, might want to look at a conversion kit on down the road a bit, but once you get comfortable with the gun it's not a bad idea.

Sometimes I can really only afford to dip into .22's, and if I shoot 5k rounds that year, I gotta supplement some of that with .22, or sell a kidney.

Collect the brass afterwards, get enough and you can sell it for scrap. Its about $2.36 for a pound of brass in some places.

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Sckitzo wrote:
halonachos wrote:I pay 5 or 2 dollars when I go to the movies.

Misspost?

No, Melissia was saying that buying ammo is cheaper than seeing a movie.

**Melissia**

Sckitzo wrote:Also, I don't recommend the .357 Sig, ammo can be pricey and a PITA to find sometimes, unless your really want that caliber I suggest 9mm or .40, 45 would be fine and 10mm if your a masochist

The weapon's available in .357 SIG, .40S&W, and .45ACP. I think the ACP is probably most common and probably cheapest of these ammunition types, right?

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halonachos wrote:No, Melissia was saying that buying ammo is cheaper than seeing a movie.

It is if you get any food or drinks, heh.

**ineptus astartes**

ahh...Just get a SAW.

but really, if you want a handgun, don't go for the flashy magnums. a 22 is just as good.

**halonachos**

Melissia wrote:
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halonachos wrote:No, Melissia was saying that buying ammo is cheaper than seeing a movie.
It is if you get any food or drinks, heh.

Has anyone ever introduced you to cargo pants/shorts?

**Melissia**

W7hen I'm not going to work I enjoy loose cargo pants (as in loose around the legs, not loose around the waist

) myself, but even still, most people who go to the movies spend more than just the price of admission

**ineptus astartes**

I know!get the cargo pants, wear them all saggy like, get a hoody and say 'dawg' a lot.

you'd fit right into my old neighborhood at least.

**halonachos**

Melissia wrote:When I'm not going to work I enjoy loose cargo pants (as in loose around the legs, not loose around the waist ) myself, but even still, most people who go to the movies spend more than just the price of admission

Halonachos's guide to going to the theater and saving money.

1) Buy cargo shorts/pants.
2) Locate local dollar store or local grocery store with bottled drinks on sale.
3) Insert bottled drinks into cargo short/pants pockets.
4) Find theater with special deals(regal cinema franchises usually have 5 dollar movies on tuesdays or wednesdays).
-4b) Join the military, all movies on base cost $2.00 for admission.
5) Enjoy cheaper movie experience.

*Note, if you want food it is easy to buy the movie packs at a discount in most grocery stores. It is also possible to sneak in a pizza.
* If you have a girlfriend or have a large purse, it can take the place of cargo pants.

**ineptus astartes**

I remember sneaking inb an entire dinner.

**Sckitzo**

halonachos wrote:
Sckitzo wrote:I use a .22 bolt for my AR-15, nothing wrong with having another option.

Also think of it like this, if there is another huge ammo scare, you might not be able to get common pistols calibers again, but .22 is usually still around, so you can still practice a bit, and if need be you could use it for varmints.

Granted, might want to look at a conversion kit on down the road a bit, but once you get comfortable with the gun it's not a bad idea.

Sometimes I can really only afford to dip into .22's, and if I shoot 5k rounds that year, I gotta supplement some of that with .22, or sell a kidney.

Collect the brass afterwards, get enough and you can sell it for scrap. Its about $2.36 for a pound of brass in some places.

I reload, but yeah I save my brass

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Sckitzo wrote:
halonachos wrote:I pay 5 or 2 dollars when I go to the movies.

Misspost?

No, Melissia was saying that buying ammo is cheaper than seeing a movie.

**Melissia**

I meant of those three specifically.

**Slarg232**

Why do you want a Handgun?

Seriously.....

Go Double Barrel....

**Melissia**

Because it's easier to concealed carry a handgun without getting in trouble than it is to carry around a shotgun and not get in trouble.

**ineptus astartes**

so...you're a hitman? Why else would you want a concealed weapon?

and in any case 'trenchcoats'

**Melissia**

ineptus astartes wrote:so...you're a hitman? Why else would you want a concealed weapon?

Because openly carrying weapons causes more trouble than it's worth.

**Slarg232**

Melissia wrote:Because it's easier to concealed carry a handgun without getting in trouble than it is to carry around a shotgun and not get in trouble.

It's a double barrel, you don't need to conceal it, you show it to people and they crawl back into their holes

**Melissia**

And then the police arrest you for open carry.

**halonachos**

Slarg232 wrote:
Melissia wrote:Because it's easier to concealed carry a handgun without getting in trouble than it is to carry around a shotgun and not get in trouble.

It's a double barrel, you don't need to conceal it, you show it to people and they crawl back into their holes

**Stormrider**

snake wrote:I've heard that the best type of gun for self defense - and particularly carrying - is a spurless revolver with a barrel no bigger than 2.5" and .357 rounds. Revolver so you don't have to worry about mag issues (springs, etc.), no spur means it won't catch on anything, the small size makes it easy and comfortable to conceal and carry, and the .357 still packs a punch. Any thoughts?

Say hello to this:

http://chiappafirearms.com/products/75

Still .357, slight hammer, shooting goes through the bottom of the frame instead of the top, and the kick really isn't that bad.

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Slarg232 wrote:
Melissia wrote:Because it's easier to concealed carry a handgun without getting in trouble than it is to carry around a shotgun and not get in trouble.

It's a double barrel, you don't need to conceal it, you show it to people and they crawl back into their holes

Have fun in jail after that brilliant maneuver.

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Melissia wrote:
Sckitzo wrote:Also, I don't recommend the .357 Sig, ammo can be pricey and a PITA to find sometimes, unless your really want that caliber I suggest 9mm or .40, 45 would be fine and 10mm if your a masochist
The weapon's available in .357 SIG, .40S&W, and .45ACP. I think the ACP is probably most common and probably cheapest of these ammunition types, right?

Cheapest? Yes, but terrible for a carry weapon. The only reason militaries must use FMJ ammo is that hollow points are illegal to use under the Geneva Accords in wartime. They are terrible for CC. Use a Jacketed hollow point.

**Fattimus_maximus**

I'm sure someone else has mentioned it, but the Spingfield XD is an amazing weapon for the price. http://www.springfield-armory.com/

**Slarg232**

Melissia wrote:And then the police arrest you for open carry.

halonachos wrote:
Slarg232 wrote:
Melissia wrote:Because it's easier to concealed carry a handgun without getting in trouble than it is to carry around a shotgun and not get in trouble.

It's a double barrel, you don't need to conceal it, you show it to people and they crawl back into their holes

When the hell did OT become so serious :/

**Stormrider**

Slarg232 wrote:
Melissia wrote:And then the police arrest you for open carry.

halonachos wrote:
Slarg232 wrote:
Melissia wrote:Because it's easier to concealed carry a handgun without getting in trouble than it is to carry around a shotgun and not get in trouble.

It's a double barrel, you don't need to conceal it, you show it to people and they crawl back into their holes

When the hell did OT become so serious :/

Sorry, but joking about brandishing a Sawed Off Shotgun isn't funny.

**Slarg232**

Stormrider wrote:
Slarg232 wrote:
Melissia wrote:And then the police arrest you for open carry.

halonachos wrote:
Slarg232 wrote:
Melissia wrote:Because it's easier to concealed carry a handgun without getting in trouble than it is to carry around a shotgun and not get in trouble.

It's a double barrel, you don't need to conceal it, you show it to people and they crawl back into their holes

When the hell did OT become so serious :/

Sorry, but joking about brandishing a Sawed Off Shotgun isn't funny.

Oh really? I find that hilarious.

**dogma**

halonachos wrote:
Sit a gun and a knife on a table and see which one kills a person sitting in a chair across from it first.

Statistically, the gun.

halonachos wrote:
Guns and knives are both dangerous but you don't have to load a knife for example, its just that guns are more effective than knives.

Ergo, dangerous in this context.

**ineptus astartes**

yes, but knifes are silent, a gun makes as much noise as an airplane jet-engine.

**halonachos**

dogma wrote:
halonachos wrote:
Sit a gun and a knife on a table and see which one kills a person sitting in a chair across from it first.

Statistically, the gun.

It has been statistically proven that ghosts will be more likely to pick up a gun and shoot someone, seriously statistically neither is more dangerous than the other until a person decides to touch it.

dogma wrote:

halonachos wrote:
Guns and knives are both dangerous but you don't have to load a knife for example, its just that guns are more effective than knives.

Ergo, dangerous in this context.

Guns and knives are equally dangerous, the gun in the hands of a careful and peaceful person is less dangerous than the knife in the hands of a crazed homicidal maniac.