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Phiasco II wrote:Wow, I post something, forget about it for a couple weeks, and when I come back there are seven pages of discussion. That' s a nice surprise.

Anyways, I wanted to add that in addition to being annoyed by the Ad Mech, I really can't stand the Space Wolfs. Let's ignore how much I hate their codex and stupid op rules, and just examine their fluff. I'm reading through the Horus Heresy book "A Thousand Sons". As far as I can tell, the Space Wolfs are not only hypocrites, but also almost directly responsible for the fall of the Thousand Sons legion to chaos. Lets look at those two things. Firstly, they are hypocrites 'cause they argue that all psykers should be done away with, and the Thousand Sons are traitors for still using psykers. But its totally okay for the Space Wolfs to have their 'rune priests'. I think Mangus even points this out to Russ who says something like 'no, rune priests are different 'cause their power comes from the Fenris, not the warp' or something like that. HYPOCRITES!. Secondly, if they hadn't have pushed the whole anti psyker thing (again, huge hypocrites about that) would Mangus have been able to warn the Emperor through more traditional means of communication rather then

Spoiler:

drilling a hole through the eldar webway gate at the Golden Throne

and basically screwing all of the Emperor's plans up?

I really dislike space wolfs. The only time I'm happy to see someone playing space wolfs is when its a two vs two battle, and my team mate is rolling SW. It usually makes for a really easy game.

Read "Prospero Burns" before making judgement, there are two sides to this story.

The two 'sides' happen to give the same judgement, that Space Wolves are huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge hypocrites. And morons.

Kind of a microcosm for the IOM.

*ducks*

Tyranids! They only have one army build (As far as the local meta at my FLGS) and I'm having a bitch-kitty of a time finding an Ork list that can beat it. I'm sure you know which list I'm taking about, but just in case you have been living under a rock, I'll describe it. The specifics vary depending on the points value total (Usually between 1,750 and 2,000) but the generalities are the same.

HQ

Tervigon

ELITES

3 Zoanthropes in a pod
2x2 Hive guard

TROOPS
2x10 termagants
2 more Tervigons
Massive unit of Genestealers, usually no Broddlord

HEAVY SUPPORT

2xTrygons, usually at least one is a Prime

The best I've ever achieved against this build is a tie, and that was by some extremely excellent dice rolling and bold actions in the 7th turn. Damn no-personality gant-pooping vermin!

Hate Cruddace for that, not Tyranids.

And that's not even the standard net list, so there's 2 'builds' out there. There's also the popular all reserve army spamming Mawlocs, so there's 3.

warpcrafter wrote:Tyranids! They only have one army build (As far as the local meta at my FLGS) and I'm having a bitch-kitty of a time finding an Ork list that can beat it. I'm sure you know which list I'm taking about, but just in case you have been living under a rock, I'll describe it. The specifics vary depending on the points value total (Usually between 1,750 and 2,000) but the generalities are the same.

HQ

Tervigon

ELITES

3 Zoanthropes in a pod
2x2 Hive guard

TROOPS
2x10 termagants
2 more Tervigons
Massive unit of Genestealers, usually no Broddlord

HEAVY SUPPORT

2xTrygons, usually at least one is a Prime

The best I've ever achieved against this build is a tie, and that was by some extremely excellent dice rolling and bold actions in the 7th turn. Damn no-personality gant-pooping vermin!

This one is actually rather easy to get around. For this, you gotta go with Wagonspam and death rollas. However, keep one HQ slot open for a Bikerboss and some Bikernobs, preferably including a painboy and give them all cybork. Use the wagons for crunching the small bugs, and charge the bigger ones with the Bikers- 4+/5++/4+Cover/FeelNoPain = pretty damn invincible, although a point-costy. Alternatively, Lootas may work as well against the big one, but in big numbers.

warpcrafter wrote:Tyranids! They only have one army build (As far as the local meta at my FLGS) and I'm having a bitch-kitty of a time finding an Ork list that can beat it. I'm sure you know which list I'm taking about, but just in case you have been living under a rock, I'll describe it. The specifics vary depending on the points value total (Usually between 1,750 and 2,000) but the generalities are the same.

HQ

Tervigon

ELITES

3 Zoanthropes in a pod
2x2 Hive guard

TROOPS
2x10 termagants
2 more Tervigons
Massive unit of Genestealers, usually no Broddlord

HEAVY SUPPORT

2xTrygons, usually at least one is a Prime

The best I've ever achieved against this build is a tie, and that was by some extremely excellent dice rolling and bold actions in the 7th turn. Damn no-personality gant-pooping vermin!

Open-top transports+flame throwers=kills nids.

Or just go orky-shooty. Dakka is generally good 'gainst nids

Does Mat Ward count as his own faction?

I said I hated Space Wolves most of all.

And then I remembered the Squats...

Squigsquasher wrote:I said I hated Space Wolves most of all.

And then I remembered the Squats...

[youtube]Leave Squats Alone! *cries*[/youtube]

Tau and orks...two dumbest races. Tau are anime in space and orks are cartoons in space. The way they are presented just doesn't feel 40k to me

Given that the Orks have been that way in 40K since it's inception they are a good deal more 40k than most..

You don't have to like them though

But the first inception of 40k everything was cartoony...every other race became more grim and serious over time..except orks

Because they wouldn't be Orks if you made them as staid and sober as the other races.

Marines used to be psychotic and xenocidal. Not so much these days. They didn't have 8 ft plot armour back then either...

They are as much part of 40K as any other race, and more so than Necrons, Tau or any other latecomers. If you don't like them that way that's your option, but they are still 40K.

If you read up on them you'll find that despite their random tech and speech impediments they can be very, very grimdark indeed at times

Fair enough, my first choice (tau) still stands as my all time least favrorite.

I'm not overfond of the Tau myself. They feel forced, background-wise, and there's some thick plot armour keeping them alive..

They just feel out of place. They are to happy to anime looking to much of an Asian theme, and they can't even travel through the warp

Now, Tau aren't exactly my favorites either, but why are they considered "anime"? Is it because they use mechs? Because giant ass kicking robots is a concept everyone agrees on. And besides, the Eldar have plenty of eastern reference as well, but no one calls them out on it.

Luke_Prowler wrote:Now, Tau aren't exactly my favorites either, but why are they considered "anime"? Is it because they use mechs? Because giant ass kicking robots is a concept everyone agrees on. And besides, the Eldar have plenty of eastern reference as well, but no one calls them out on it.

It's because the Eldar are established.

Also they have a massive amount of celtic influence, and a smidge of art deco. (1920's reimagining of celtic decoration). The oriental influences are less pronounced than with Tau

I like the Tau. The brainwashed, fiercely hierarchical caste system hiding behind a facade of a willing coalition of species fits perfectly in the universe.

Plus the game needed a xenos mirror of the guard.

Luke_Prowler wrote:Now, Tau aren't exactly my favorites either, but why are they considered "anime"? Is it because they use mechs? Because giant ass kicking robots is a concept everyone agrees on. And besides, the Eldar have plenty of eastern reference as well, but no one calls them out on it.

Not just that, but also this:

Leave the Tau alone. There is nothing Anime-ish in the slightest about them. I see no tentacles, ridiculous (but ever so slightly adorable) schoolgirl uniforms, or giant eyes.

Argyle Culpepper wrote:so far we have heard space wolves, Ad Mech, Tau, Eldar, Dark Eldar, Space Marines, Ultrasmurfs, and Chaos Marines.

But what about Orks, Necrons, Nids and Guard?

personally the entire fluff behind marines in general being an unstoppable force capable of crushing an entire planet with a handful of men makes me feel ill to read about.

Tyranids are powerful in the fluff, but they actually preform the same way in tabletop. Of all the armies, Tyranids are the most similar between fluff and canon.
Guard are the universes butt monkey and as such are lesser irritants to most people.
Orks are the 40k universes comedic relief.
Necrons bounce arround in value so much that (fluff-wise) it is hard to get a clear picture.

Necrons as equated to Bab 5's Shadows..

'Yes.. your ships are very impressive in the air, and in space.. but right now they're on the ground..'

BFG Necrons rock anyone's socks.

40k Necrons have a real struggle agaisnt an equally experience player with a different army, most tiimes.

The Scrubs. Their special rule, 'Whinge About Army That We Last Lost To Being Broken,' gets my goat every time. That and their ability to suck all the fun out of the game is totally overpowered.

htj wrote:The Scrubs. Their special rule, 'Whinge About Army That We Last Lost To Being Broken,' gets my goat every time. That and their ability to suck all the fun out of the game is totally overpowered.

*Question time*

GK and nids... over powered and they arnt enjoyable to fight against.

If you beleive that Nids are overpowered you MUST be up against a good player. They got beaten so hard with the nerf bat that i'm amazed they are still viable.

There are a couple of workable builds, but they did take a heavy shivving.

Change my mind. I think the inquisition annoys me the most now, it's just an organization full of A**holes

If you can't see the Anime/Rifts in the Tau, you're blind. The only thing that looks like Tau that aren't mobile suits are the NGR Suits from Rifts.

Even the Broadside suits are basically Glitterboys. The Stealthsuits are the Coalition thingys that skim over the ground.

I can't stand the Grey Knights. I bring it up all the time, but I just don't think they should have a codex. Maybe a Chapter Aproved that has rules for a single 5 man squad.
IMHO I just don't feel the Grey Knights really have a place in the universe. Sure, they're ment to face the darkness of Chaos. So aren't marines, Sisters, IG and all the other factions that have been battling chaos since the birth of the Imperium.
Grey Knights annoy me because they are a blatant marketing scam that fanboys eat up like goldfish sucking at the surface.

"Hmmm... we need more money to pay for this finecast crap... Make more marines... Infact, make a whole new line of models and completely ignore the fact we already have a huge range of models for these marines. Give them tons of weapon options so that the previous players have to buy overpriced boxes of junk they already own. Now have one of our smallest minded chimps crap onto a typewriter and well call it a codex. Oh and be sure to include some fluff that makes absolutly no sense. Ha ha ha the fools... Wait till they see this stupid robot thingy with a marine inside. To hell with the dreadnoughts this thing will sell like hotcakes! We'll be rich I tell you! RICH!!!! BWAHAHAHAHA!!!" - GW exec when asked how he likes his coffee (or maybe Tea... ugh).