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From a fluff perspective, I probably dislike space marines the most (all flavors). They are just too OTT to be believable or even taken seriously especially when looking at the numbers.

So picking the best of the worst would be Space Wolves and the worst of the worst would be Blood Angles.

From the table top the loathing I have for the Deamons codex and what they represent is incomparable.

I really don't mind all races. Tau are probably my least favourite, but I think they're still alright. Too much of "THE GREATER GOOD", maybe.

However, the one I loathe above all factions, races and everything is the guy who wrote about back-flipping terminators and MULTILAZURS attached to everything.

DeffDred wrote:If you can't see the Anime/Rifts in the Tau, you're blind. The only thing that looks like Tau that aren't mobile suits are the NGR Suits from Rifts.

Even the Broadside suits are basically Glitterboys. The Stealthsuits are the Coalition thingys that skim over the ground.

Actually, the XV-8 remind me of Shockwave from Transformers... Who is a Japanese toy design most remember for his role in an American written TV show. He has the chunky chest, the skinny legs, the mono-eye, the prism-shaped head, the little antennae, and the gun arm. Probably a coincidence, but he looks far more like a battlesuit than most other anime robots.

The resemblance is pretty clear with this picture.

In the fluff, I think all the races have their place and don't actively dislike any, even if I don't particularly like how they're written.

There are a couple who's implementation into the tabletop irks me though, and that's both Chaos Daemons and Grey Knights. Both feel like they should only ever be fighting alongside other forces as an addition but not be armies in their own right to me.

Kazerkinelite wrote:Tau and orks...two dumbest races. Tau are anime in space and orks are cartoons in space. The way they are presented just doesn't feel 40k to me

Less anime here?

Squigsquasher wrote:Leave the Tau alone. There is nothing Anime-ish in the slightest about them. I see no tentacles, ridiculous (but ever so slightly adorable) schoolgirl uniforms, or giant eyes.

Tentacles, schoolgril uniforms, and giant eyes =/= all Anime. They are mearly subsections of anime.



You seem to forget the entire Mech theme and the hyper advanced theme.

I would class mechs and "hyper advanced tech" under general sci-fi more than anything else. In fact the Tau have always struck me as the obligatory generic sci-fi race. Let's be honest, every other faction is too fantasy or gothic to be a straight up sci fi race that has robitz and shoots blue energy thingies.

Also, when I think of anime robots I think of the shows everyone knows, like Neon Genesis Evangelion and Gundam Wing both of which don't look like the blocky tau stuff, and by stuff I mean like 1-2 units in the entire codex.

Eldar titans always seemed more animeish and even then only by a little. Maybe there are other mecha anime with similar designs as the tau but they are all so obscure.

Grey knights. I just hate the machanical monsterous creature.

The DE Talos is what a mechanical MC shold look like.

The oversized Robot Jox wannabe, not so much

Tyranids, only because I remember what once was. Now their 5th ed codex makes me a sad panda.

asimo77 wrote:I would class mechs and "hyper advanced tech" under general sci-fi more than anything else. In fact the Tau have always struck me as the obligatory generic sci-fi race. Let's be honest, every other faction is too fantasy or gothic to be a straight up sci fi race that has robitz and shoots blue energy thingies.

Also, when I think of anime robots I think of the shows everyone knows, like Neon Genesis Evangelion and Gundam Wing both of which don't look like the blocky tau stuff, and by stuff I mean like 1-2 units in the entire codex.

Eldar titans always seemed more animeish and even then only by a little. Maybe there are other mecha anime with similar designs as the tau but they are all so obscure.

I agree, they dont seem very anime-ish when you take a closer look.

Unfortunately though, when talking about the inspiration for Tau, GW said they wanted an optimistic anime faction :(

Imperial Fists. I'm an Iron warriors player so obvious choice. plus Rogal Dorn is a donkeyhat.

followed by tau. Shoot from the other side of the board and run away from close combat situations!

followed by eldar. Sorry to the people sticking up for eldar but the are stuck up b s that need to realise they aren't as awesome as they seem to think.

Most of the factions of the galaxy are arrogant, Eldar are probably around the top but the Imperium's still very arrogant. Of course I'm pretty sure there's another thread somewhere for debating the arrogance of various factions, so I won't argue my point further.

im2randomghgh wrote:

Kazerkinelite wrote:Tau and orks...two dumbest races. Tau are anime in space and orks are cartoons in space. The way they are presented just doesn't feel 40k to me

Less anime here?

Meet this quote.

Molten Butter wrote:Only in 40k are imperialistic Communist oppressors with castes and mind control not considered "grim enough".

Several mentions of not liking Tau Fluff, but no points on Andy Hoare? Odd.

Chaos Deamons..... I'm a CSM player and I always saw the CD like extra for the CSM army not an army by themselves like their a Deamons general thinking yeah lets attack this place, or no let's make an ambush , their just deamons they attack like crazy dudes on roids rage! BTW the models are horrible , especially the Soul Grinder what is this big piece of !

And Grey Knights since they got the super-awesome-too-big-Nemesis-Dreadknight!

I hate Space Marines, especially the Ultrasmurfs and Blood Ravens! They're too pathos and GW pay them more attention than other factions. I tolerate Space Wolves - they have their own style.
But I like Grey Knights - they aren't so commonplace as SM do.
Chaos Daemons are disgusting but this is how daemons must look like.
Edlar have reasons for their arrogance but it's the thing that stops them from alliance with Imperium.

Got to say the Space Marines, specifically the Ultrasmurfs- not only because of the fluff, but because EVERYBODY PLAYS THEM.

Grey Knights. If they are supposed to be dedicated to hunting Daemons, why do so many of their bad ass tricks, weapons, and options, not effect Daemons? Force weapons don't work on them, their anti-psych doesn't work on them. It's just an excuse to make them better than every other army out there. I kinda liked the Rock Paper Scissors approach to the game when setting certain armies and their possible lists against each other, and other armies settling in the middle with solid but not outrageous advantages or disadvantages. I'm glad the new DE codex has gone back to that.

Petriel, I'm certain that the extreme xenophobia and even more extreme fear of everything that's not completely under the Imperium's control has nothing to do with it.

In either case, while it's the Imperium's lot to be the man character of the story, it's the Eldar's lot to be the annoying side-character who's read the script and refuses to tell you. Being annoyed at the Eldar is (and should be) the defacto status quo for non-Eldar players, and I wouldn't have it any other way.

Personally, though, I'm annoyed at the over-exposure of Space Marines in general, especially how they always end up having, for some odd reason, ever so slightly better tech than both Eldar AND Necron (I focus on games more than fluff).

P.S. Earlier someone asked when was the last time Eldar did anything for a human colony. Well, I've only read one Warhammer fluff book so far, Way of the Warrior, and in there the Eldar expediently assassinate would-be cultists and dispose of a chaos artefact which, without Eldar intervention, would've consumed several worlds in the sector into chaos and presented a potential threat to the Alaitoc craftworld.

P.P.S. Eldar aren't racists as such. In general, the more moderate craftworlds (let's ignore warmongering Biel'Tan and the Saim-Hann mongrels for a second) welcome human neighbours - if it weren't for the fact that "they are so easily corrupted".
True, there are races that Eldar would rather share proximity to, but they generally aren't major ones.

P.P.P.S. How can you be "racist" when there is biological foundations for actual differences between the different people. I mean, humans share a lot more with monkeys and apes than with Eldar...
"Unfounded xenophobic" is perhaps a better term for what Eldar are not.

P.P.P.P.S. Yes, you're allowed to put how many P's you want in front of a P.S. It just makes it look weird.

Space marines do get an unfair amount of coverage compared to other armies but games workshop is a business. They are obviously going to give more coverage to the areas bringing in the most money. Ultrasmurfs, I imagine, are the most popular with GW customers, but that's just a guess. Please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. Then after ultrasmurfs it's probably another SM chapter holding 2nd most popular spot. I dislike ultrasmurfs purely due to the fact that evreyone seems to have them. I prefer the underdog to the fool put on a pedestal because according to the majority vote, he's the best thing since sliced bread.

SylvanaSekNadin wrote:

Locclo wrote:I really only find issue with single pieces of fluff, like how the Blood Angels allied with the Necrons.

People bringing this up always bug me. Basically you have two sides slugging it out to a stalemate. Then a third much larger force invades. To survive you shift your priorities.

... except for the fact that the Necrontyr have nothing to fear from the Tyranids. 'Nids need biomass, Necrontyr are... metal robots. Not exactly good feeding unless you need a lot of iron in your diet. Which gets rid of the primary purpose of a Nid: Eat and Grow.

Then, of course, you have the Necron weapons which tear apart an enemies atoms. Doesn't exactly leave a whole lot for the little critters to scoop back up if they do happen to win.

Hence the reason why Tyranid Hive fleets avoid planets with Necrons on them. Even if the poor little buggers manage to win... they lose: No biomass left to harvest.

With that in mind, the whole concept of Necron's fighting a "common" enemy is ludicrous. At worst, they would have left the battlefield and let the marines get chomped while coming back later to "mop" up the winner. At best, they wouldn't have bothered to stop fighting as the 'Nids would have left them alone.

So, we have a little story whose premise is beyond unbelievable even in this fictional setting for the following reasons:

1. The 'Nids wouldn't have approached the planet in the first place.

2. Barring that, the Nids would never have engaged the Necrons.

3. Barring that, the Necrons don't need rest. As soon as the 'Nids were removed they would have gone straight back into the fight with the marines. Teleporting in new warriors as necessary from wherever they needed them. To date the only way to beat the Necrons on one of their worlds has been to completely obliterate it from orbit. Why? Because a tomb world has an apparently inexhaustible supply of warriors. Which leads us to #4

4. The Blood Angels, with just a teensy bit of intelligence, would have simply bombed the world into oblivion in the first place thereby avoiding the entire encounter.

The ONLY way to salvage this is going to be if the new Necron codex ret cons enough to say that each warrior has some type of biomass that the 'Nids might want.

Getting back to the topic on hand: The Blood Angels annoy me the most for that one story.

Ghenghis Jon wrote:Grey Knights. If they are supposed to be dedicated to hunting Daemons, why do so many of their bad ass tricks, weapons, and options, not effect Daemons? Force weapons don't work on them, their anti-psych doesn't work on them. It's just an excuse to make them better than every other army out there. I kinda liked the Rock Paper Scissors approach to the game when setting certain armies and their possible lists against each other, and other armies settling in the middle with solid but not outrageous advantages or disadvantages. I'm glad the new DE codex has gone back to that.

Much of that is holdovers from when Force Weapons were specifically anti-daemon weapons and did horrendous damage against them which apparently GW decided to do a U-Turn on and make them as effective against Daemons as a rifle butt.

Oriallis wrote:Most of the factions of the galaxy are arrogant, Eldar are probably around the top but the Imperium's still very arrogant. Of course I'm pretty sure there's another thread somewhere for debating the arrogance of various factions, so I won't argue my point further.

Some time ago I made a thread discussing this. Pretty old, but it is found here:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/379713.page

Mahtamori wrote:Petriel, I'm certain that the extreme xenophobia and even more extreme fear of everything that's not completely under the Imperium's control has nothing to do with it.

In either case, while it's the Imperium's lot to be the man character of the story, it's the Eldar's lot to be the annoying side-character who's read the script and refuses to tell you. Being annoyed at the Eldar is (and should be) the defacto status quo for non-Eldar players, and I wouldn't have it any other way.

Personally, though, I'm annoyed at the over-exposure of Space Marines in general, especially how they always end up having, for some odd reason, ever so slightly better tech than both Eldar AND Necron (I focus on games more than fluff).

P.S. Earlier someone asked when was the last time Eldar did anything for a human colony. Well, I've only read one Warhammer fluff book so far, Way of the Warrior, and in there the Eldar expediently assassinate would-be cultists and dispose of a chaos artefact which, without Eldar intervention, would've consumed several worlds in the sector into chaos and presented a potential threat to the Alaitoc craftworld.

P.P.S. Eldar aren't racists as such. In general, the more moderate craftworlds (let's ignore warmongering Biel'Tan and the Saim-Hann mongrels for a second) welcome human neighbours - if it weren't for the fact that "they are so easily corrupted".
True, there are races that Eldar would rather share proximity to, but they generally aren't major ones.

P.P.P.S. How can you be "racist" when there is biological foundations for actual differences between the different people. I mean, humans share a lot more with monkeys and apes than with Eldar...
"Unfounded xenophobic" is perhaps a better term for what Eldar are not.

P.P.P.P.S. Yes, you're allowed to put how many P's you want in front of a P.S. It just makes it look weird.

I'm a moderate Eldar without racism and prejudice , but I'm still an Eldar. We have reasons for our arrogance because Imperium is ruled by a griup of xenophobic barbarian religious fanatics who don't care about their people. If only they came to our rule... Then they'll be Gue'Vesa rather then Mon-keigh.
Are SM and particularly Ultrasmurfs really the most popular armies in WH40k? Or are they an over-exposed forced meme invented by GW?
I'll say that "Nekron Boyz'" are over-powered in 3rd ed. codex and Eldar technology is still more advanced than the Imperial.

Well... um... I think I might've messed up my grammar a bit there. Yeah, for most of the craftworlds humans as a race aren't so bad (for Biel'tan they need to be physically removed from several worlds, and Saim-Hann just aren't compatible with anyone - other Eldar included).

Anyways, Ultrasmurfs is the poster child for Space Marines, yes. It's the most over-exposed marine and also the chapter which sets the standards for the other chapters - which is why you don't get Codex: Space Invaders, since they already adhere to the smurf-written codex (well, besides that chapter having had their collective butt kicked on their own turf by Alaitoc)

Ultrasmurfs must be sacrificed to Khaine! And Blood Ravens too!

Fuzz wrote:Imperial Fists. I'm an Iron warriors player so obvious choice. plus Rogal Dorn is a donkeyhat.

followed by tau. Shoot from the other side of the board and run away from close combat situations!

followed by eldar. Sorry to the people sticking up for eldar but the are stuck up b s that need to realise they aren't as awesome as they seem to think.

-_- you be hatin' all my factions.

butbutbut...DORN WAS COOL. He was all noble and honest and duel-y. PLUS HE HAD A BITCHIN' MOUSTACHE!

Farseer Petriel wrote:I hate Space Marines, especially the Ultrasmurfs and Blood Ravens!

My 2 favorite chapters...I can understand the poster thing and the attention and all but - why?


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im2randomghgh wrote:

Kazerkinelite wrote:Tau and orks...two dumbest races. Tau are anime in space and orks are cartoons in space. The way they are presented just doesn't feel 40k to me

Less anime here?

Japanese like culture, Far-East like music, giant battlesuits, high tech, strange look, overpowered stuff....
Sounds like anime to me...

Brother Coa wrote:
Japanese like culture, Far-East like music, giant battlesuits, high tech, strange look, overpowered stuff....
Sounds like anime to me...

Overpowered? Oh God no. Not in fluff or on the tabletop. No.