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Could we split the poll?

General opinion of the actions of GW plc .1

General opinion of the actions of the GW studio staff.8

Everything BAD about GW plc is directly down to poor corperate managment .

Everthing great about GW is down to the talented studio staff!

8/10. Why? I am a fanboy.

Deal with it.

Lanrak wrote:Could we split the poll?

General opinion of the actions of GW plc .1

General opinion of the actions of the GW studio staff.8

Everything BAD about GW plc is directly down to poor corperate managment .

Everthing great about GW is down to the talented studio staff!

Yes, I very much agree with this. All they need is a new management.

6/10 nice fluff models and rules, but they are just money grabbers now (which makes little Spartan sad...).

3/10

-2 points for no more Mega-Campaigns. I miss Armageddon and the Eye of Terror Global Campaigns with a passion and could care less about 'Ard Boyz.
-2 points for a lack of balance to the game. How old is the oldest Codex, now? Until next week I believe it's Necrons at 8 years. What about the next oldest? And each one is either met with wild cries of cheese or a groan as it doesn't beat the current frontrunner. How do you improve the odds of a 10-man Space Marine Tactical squad - supposedly the elite warriors of the galaxy - so that they don't miss every shot they fire against standard grunts of other races? Look at something along the lines of "Combined Ranged Attack" in Warmachine.
-2 points for a lack of support for an Organized Play/Demo Team. Not all of us live near battle bunkers and stores DEDICATED to Game Workshop. Bring Back the Outrider program and support it like Wizards supports the DCI, Privateer supports its Pressgangers, Wyrd Games supports its Henchmen for Malifaux.
-1 point for a feeling of unintentional forward momentum. The Inquisition needed their own Codex which would INCLUDE the GK and the SoB and the DW as options. Instead the Inquisition is crazy all over the place and no good Deathwatch rules.
-1 point for removing customization in armies. I miss IG combat doctrines and the Codex Variations from 4th edition codexes.
-1 point for there STILL not being plastic Sisters of Battle.
-1 point for turning WD into a catalogue.

+2 points for Black Library fiction by Dan Abnett.
+1 point because its the one game my brother and I can both agree to play.

All of that being said, GW is still my second favorite miniatures game company.

Farquestor wrote:3/10

-2 points for no more Mega-Campaigns. I miss Armageddon and the Eye of Terror Global Campaigns with a passion and could care less about 'Ard Boyz.
-2 points for a lack of balance to the game. How old is the oldest Codex, now? Until next week I believe it's Necrons at 8 years. What about the next oldest? And each one is either met with wild cries of cheese or a groan as it doesn't beat the current frontrunner. How do you improve the odds of a 10-man Space Marine Tactical squad - supposedly the elite warriors of the galaxy - so that they don't miss every shot they fire against standard grunts of other races? Look at something along the lines of "Combined Ranged Attack" in Warmachine.
-2 points for a lack of support for an Organized Play/Demo Team. Not all of us live near battle bunkers and stores DEDICATED to Game Workshop. Bring Back the Outrider program and support it like Wizards supports the DCI, Privateer supports its Pressgangers, Wyrd Games supports its Henchmen for Malifaux.
-1 point for a feeling of unintentional forward momentum. The Inquisition needed their own Codex which would INCLUDE the GK and the SoB and the DW as options. Instead the Inquisition is crazy all over the place and no good Deathwatch rules.
-1 point for removing customization in armies. I miss IG combat doctrines and the Codex Variations from 4th edition codexes.
-1 point for there STILL not being plastic Sisters of Battle.
-1 point for turning WD into a catalogue.

+2 points for Black Library fiction by Dan Abnett.
+1 point because its the one game my brother and I can both agree to play.

All of that being said, GW is still my second favorite miniatures game company.

OMG SOMEBODY NOTICED!!!!

Im still waiting for a DW codex (sadder Spartan mode...)

Lanrak wrote:Could we split the poll?

General opinion of the actions of GW plc .1

General opinion of the actions of the GW studio staff.8

Everything BAD about GW plc is directly down to poor corperate managment .

Everthing great about GW is down to the talented studio staff!

i agree with you on that, its a shame they are managed by leeches

If GW sold cars, they'd be selling sleek sexy sports cars, complete with all leather heated interior, integrated GPS, premium audio, moonroof, 18" alloy wheels with low profile sport tires, 30 color options (3 coat premium coat) and high intensity LED headlamps - however, the steering wheel and seatbelts sold seperately and the only available engine is a 80HP 4 cylinder.

keezus wrote:If GW sold cars, they'd be selling sleek sexy sports cars, complete with all leather heated interior, integrated GPS, premium audio, moonroof, 18" alloy wheels with low profile sport tires, 30 color options (3 coat premium coat) and high intensity LED headlamps - however, the steering wheel and seatbelts sold seperately and the only available engine is a 80HP 4 cylinder.

haha LOL, you forgot that the seats would be full of little failcast holes, and youd have to buy some extra fixin' stuff for 100$

keezus wrote:If GW sold cars, they'd be selling sleek sexy sports cars, complete with all leather heated interior, integrated GPS, premium audio, moonroof, 18" alloy wheels with low profile sport tires, 30 color options (3 coat premium coat) and high intensity LED headlamps - however, the steering wheel and seatbelts sold seperately and the only available engine is a 80HP 4 cylinder.

Are you saying.. something... that ... might ... look like..... a Porsche, Keezus.. ???

*drum roll please*

McNinja wrote:While I do like 40k, I do not like Games Workshop. Any company that takes out loans to preserve its profit margin is being run into the ground.

I gave it a 6/10 because the prices are so damn high. About 50% higher than needed. How do i know? Because GW employees get 50% off all retail products, and any company that sells their product at a loss (with the exception of Sony) to their employees isn't smart.

When I used to work for GW, it was a lot more than that. You could buy metals 'by weight' (paying 20-30c for a single metal miniature), I believe I got an entire IG Steel Legion army for less than $200 (actual price would have been closer to $800). I'm not sure why the policy was changed, but I think the high staff turnover, combined with selling on ebay had something to do with it.

Someone posted a while back about how well they treat their staff (sorry couldn't find the exact quote). Well, they are certainly not the worst company I have worked for, but I did hear some absolute horror stories of other stuff that has gone on. I won't repeat it here, suffice to say the 'happy family' picture (as it probably does with most larger companies) doesn't fit well.

keezus wrote:If GW sold cars, they'd be selling sleek sexy sports cars, complete with all leather heated interior, integrated GPS, premium audio, moonroof, 18" alloy wheels with low profile sport tires, 30 color options (3 coat premium coat) and high intensity LED headlamps - however, the steering wheel and seatbelts sold seperately and the only available engine is a 80HP 4 cylinder.

And they’d sell a stitching kit so you could fix (READ: finish) the upholstery yourself, and occasionally you’d get a car where they haven’t taken off the masking material they put on all the windows when they spray paint it.

I'm perplexed why people are so shocked that models require modeling.

They don't come painted and assembled either; are you going to start whining about that next?

DarknessEternal wrote:I'm perplexed why people are so shocked that models require modeling.

They don't come painted and assembled either; are you going to start whining about that next?

They aren't meant to come painted and assembled. They are meant to come cast to a standard that requires only limited repair/cleaning.

DarknessEternal wrote:I'm perplexed why people are so shocked that models require modeling.

They don't come painted and assembled either; are you going to start whining about that next?

I'm perplexed why people don't know the difference between modeling and miscasts. In almost all resin industry there are high quality standards, some more than others but none as bad as GW... You can call fixing overpriced miscasts modeling I call it rip off.

I like the models but the prices are too high.

I think certain companies hide a general lack of quality behind the “hobby” aspect of their products. It’s gotten to the point where someone is actually looked down upon if they complain, because it hints at a lacking in their “hobby” skills.

Those companies that engage in this type of activity are having a grand old time.....I mean, do you know how much it costs a company to ensure quality from their output? Believe me, it’s not cheap.

Now when these guys convince you that you should pay a higher price for the privilege of correcting their process issues, then I’m sorry, but that’s daylight robbery.

So how will you “hobbyists” feel when GW attempts to sell you a schematic of a Space Marine for £1000 and expects you to sculpt and cast it yourself (maintaining I.P. laws of course!)?.....ok, that’s a gross extrapolation of possibility, but the question still stands, where does product quality stop and hobby interactions start?

Gotta go with a 5 here.

I would have given more if it weren't for the following:

- Finecast
- 8th Ed. Fantasy
- Prices
- WD ( which is an absolute abomination these days, I used to love that time of month )

Other than that I love the stuff they do, the plastic mini's, the paints and the BL are all fantastic! Well except the ultramarines omnibus by Mr McNiell.......that was awful........

8/10, suits my needs

A good company that lost touch with their customer base and has become deaf to feedback who releases product, but is too concerned about the next release to refine or polish the current.

Love the product and background, absolutely HATE this trade embargo/southern hemisphere pricing :(

Interestinglty in regards to WD - even the Store staff said to me this Month "Unless you like Dreadfleet - don't Bother"

Pfft - GW. You want to charge $13.50 for a sales brochure? They actually CLAIM it on Tax as a 'Business Advertising cost' - which is why it clearly states 'catalog' on the cover.

Money Grubbing Parasites.

6/10, Love Warhammer 40k and Fantasy, love the back ground, but the companies actions recently have not been good (price rise)...what I wonder is what will happen if they raise the price next year... hmmm

7/10
+2...love the fluff of the universe.
+2...DE got a new codex finally and it isn't OP
-2...WD is a joke now
+1...WD used to be nice and I still have the old copies.
+1...I haven't had any bad experiences with finecast...Cowgirl and honor guard (got em for the HG and cowgirl for a buddy), warhydra, and a new archon...no miscasts and no bubbles!
+1 for a decent ruleset. It's a pain when people try to rule lawyer their way then I use the old addage on Pg2...it is RAW that you shut up about RAW. It's a game.
+1 I actually liked BFG. I still have my DE and imperium fleets.
+2 For the sculpts currently. I mean have you seen the new DE stuff? It looks really good.
+2 for cumoster service. Missing one bit on a baneblade and I got a whole new one!
+1 for not making all stores that carry GW stuff required to be a GW store anymore...at least carry the exact same as GW stores.
-2 for communication, and getting so tight lipped about upcomming events.
-2 for price hikes...this one ticks me off. They are running the business backward...you don't raise prices to meet your bottom line. You lower them to sell more product to meet your bottom line.

Still 1 / 10 is still to generous.

I don't care for their antics, but that plastic release thing might be a hopeful step in the right direction.

I like those RPG's, which is thier only saving grace for me right now about them.

I'm back to RT, hoping to regain some perspective before they went off the deep end and decided to hose us all on every little front.

I loves me some RT, Hates me some GW.

Its hard to put a numerical value on it for me.

I love their game, I love their fluff and I love their miniature line. Say what you will, but I don't believe it is coincidence that they are one of the most popular tabletop war-game producers about.

However, for me, its the administrative manners that seriously detract from my over all opinion of them. Exorbitantly and unjustifiably ridiculous prices in Australia, followed by the banning IR in Europe and such from shipping out to us further cements that they fully expect us to pay these prices.
Say what you will, but I refuse to pay $110 AUD for a Stormraven. And for those Yankies who aren't aware, the Australian dollar is pretty much equal at the present moment, so what your looking at is fairly accurate for you guys too.
The quality issues with fine cast (and the way that its argued as being significantly more expensive to produce than pewter figures by GW employees - and I know thats a-whole-nother can of worms we can reopen another time ), general issues with staff being either exceptionally over zealous in their approach to retail OR adopting a 'higher-than-thou' approach with every facet of the hobby basically stops me from attending the store - hence why I started a gaming club.

I love what they do, I hate how they do it.

~Ghost

GW to me, is a matter I get very mad at, though I have a short fuse

I begun this when I was 12, a little over 10 years ago, I funded my first army, Dark Eldar, with a summer job, and would with summer jobs for years to come. It was a really interesting hobby where my weird and wacky idea's had no limit, sure I never liked space marines but there was a lot of other, just as good on the table stuff to choose from
then that begun to change, maybe because I grew up, but I begun to realize when I was nearing 20 the hobby was really changing on me, I begun to enjoy it less and less, outright quit 40K in favour of fantasy, until that became totally unplayable (the demons) then that changed and the rules were, well crappy, so I tried 40k again and said to hell with that. Fantasy is still meh, I don't want to have to paint hundreds of models to have a 2000 pt game.
40k is still ass, because I still refuse to play marines, I pretty much decided to hell with this, I am gonna play old editions, I enjoyed those!
and now I play 4th

It's a shame that there is no way of correlating age of voters next to the voting figure, or at least time spent in the hobby.

I would be willing to bet that for those who it is a fresh experience a high vote is more likely, while some of us cynical old bastards who have been around for a longer time will give it a lower vote.

Pacific wrote:It's a shame that there is no way of correlating age of voters next to the voting figure, or at least time spent in the hobby.

I would be willing to bet that for those who it is a fresh experience a high vote is more likely, while some of us cynical old bastards who have been around for a longer time will give it a lower vote.

That as well as those people that work for the company now and those who worked for the company in the past.

7/10 and heres why.

- GOD DAUM the quality of models is the best i have seen.
- The price of one character costs as much as vehicle and 4 knights can cost as much as a battle force/battalion. So the price scaling is a bit off; i understand quality allows higher prices but not to the point where cocaine becomes a cheaper hobby.

- They have not told EA to stuff it and taken back their fantasy IP. I mean c'mon anyone led to warhammer by DoW that saw WAR can tell you its bad for the IP. Long since past the time when WAR should have been shut down and mythic been hit so hard with a law suit that they sever its connection to the EA hive mind. The game doesn't do the IP justice and probably drives people away from it; given how it was launched. I understand they wanted to get gamers into wargaming but they need to back track and do like they did with 40k. Start with RTS games, escalate to third person games(in Warhammers case i vote Skyrim/Oblivion -esque RPG), THEN do the MMO. Avoid the system shock to gamers that know the familiarity of Blizzards similar appearing races.

- The IPs are still good; not a fan of where i expect 40k going to. Warhammer fantasy has appeared dead in the water sicne the MMO bombed(and subsequently made it radioactive) and 40k is doing well but i have a sinking feeling that they are going to aim directly for 9 year olds and that will bring a drop in quality of fluff. Despite how much i like 40k i find myself leaning towards fantasy simply because it SEEMS like its less like battle porn. Even if that's because GW has pretty much abandoned it for 40k.

- Customer service seems pretty good but their website lacks product images(need to back track and provide more)

- major point of anger/rage Less ranty version Damnit that rant never gets old. Fortunately i did not take that apartment in Cedar Hill otherwise i would never see the inside of a gaming club.

The only saving grace GW has is the fluff and extensive plastic range. The second another company comes up with a decent fluff and army sized battles with plastic models im jumping ships. Yes mantic im looking at you, opportunity is there just need to grab it.