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Boomer mods. Not hip to what the kids do like us gen Xers.

Who wanted Renegade guard?

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/05/06/revealed-two-new-kill-teams-break-concealment-at-warhammer-fest/

M.

I did! In the early to mid 2000's. Still, I'm glad that current fans get some new figs as well. A bit too late for a likely game of Dark Crusade RPG though...

Loving the new box! It's got the terrain I was going to buy anyway, but now I get the new teams & the book for free

Next White Dwarf apparently introduces some sort of Sentries to KT21, going on preorder next saturday. This seems like an interesting new direction, we are getting new rules which aren't faction specific. We will probably be seeing leaks about these sentries soon enough.

I wonder if the black stone cultists will stick around. The fire dude may be a flamer proxy

They also have special weapons…

Seems like the sentry rules already partially leaked. It's a new addition for certain missions which replaces the matched play rock-paper-scissors game at the beginning of a mission.

One side is designated as the attacker and other as the defender. Attacker gets to play with their invader operatives normally (no shooting/charging though) but always gets the concealed order. Defender has more operatives on the board but can only move them 1D6 inches per activation.

The sentry phase ends when the Defender spots an invader (getting LOS to it or getting within BLUE of an invader) or whenever the invader wishes to end the sentry phase. After the sentry phase has ended, normal gameplay resumes, starting from deployment etc. Only twist to the regular rules for the 1st turning point are, the operatives who participated in the sentry phase can change their orders after activation during the 1st turning point.

Kinda neat, gives me Metal Gear Solid vibes. The ivaders are allowed to do mission actions etc, probably includes scoring VPs as well. What was interesting to note was that the next KT21 box with traitor guard & phobos bois will also feature sentry phase enabled missions, but the WD text said that the rules will be slightly different in the book that comes with the box, and that the WD sentry rules only apply to the included missions in the magazine.

Reminds me of the mechanics of Sentry scenarios in Necromunda.

We had sentry rules in 3rd ed. 40K...

Kind of tempted by the forthcoming boxed set. I want the scenery for Necromunda (to tie into my long gestating concept of a Vault being discovered, explored and exploited), and the Traitor Guard look really nice.

Agreed Mad Doc. I'll be parting out the Phobos Marines (I already have enough), but the set is the first since Octarius that I am keeping most of the contents (got Pathfinders from Chalnath & Corsairs from Nachmund).

I bought 2 of the standalone terrain boxes previously, and I'm gonna end up w 3 of those kill team boxes, and I already have a bunch of the Ryza ruins and fronteris stuff from other sources, so I think I'm good on Fronteris terrain for the rest of my life lol.

Never really played Kill Team, but with Chaos Cards more or less at the end of my road (well, end of the road and take a left!) I’m optimistic of a return to actually Gaming. And skirmish scale is much more my thing these days, as I cannot be bothered with mass battles right now.

That might change in future of course.

In a slightly surprising turn events, Kill Team: Moloch goes up on pre-order next week, not the big HH box o' doom.

Glad to see it. More surprised about the chaos knight stuff on its ownsome. And ash wastes terrain (which looks a bit like cut content, if it isn't an alternate build of the main elevated habs)

Anyway, eager to see the price of Moloch, but its got a lot of stuff I want, so GW will have to try harder to talk me out of buying this one (compared to a lot of other stuff this year that looked interesting, but went bad by its release date)

I was hoping we'd see HH 2.0 before Moloch. I will need to prioritize buying the HH box, unfortunately. But it's cool, I'm pretty sure I will be able to score a Moloch box next month. Maybe grab one STC hab bunker kit to go with it, so then I'll have as much of this Nachmund terrain as what comes in the big bundle box.

Yep. I had promised myself to rein in discretionary spending for a bit and haven't spent a dime on GW product since the last price increase but I'm going to have to break that promise for this box.

On a somewhat related topic, thematically, what type of armor would you typically see in a traitor/renegade guard army? A smattering of LR? Maybe some Malcadors?

 Dysartes wrote:
In a slightly surprising turn events, Kill Team: Moloch goes up on pre-order next week, not the big HH box o' doom.

could it be that they rush it, to sell the traitorguard kit along side the new CSM codex?

As a solo kit? Probably not - I thought they had a pattern of releasing any "new" kits from a KT box alongside the next one, but then I'd've expected the Corsairs to get a release announcement here, with the CSM from Nachmund (with the additional sprue) getting announce to be released with the CSM 'dex.

 Dysartes wrote:
In a slightly surprising turn events, Kill Team: Moloch goes up on pre-order next week, not the big HH box o' doom.

I'd assume the 18-day reveal, with a different legion every day, is a countdown.

Excited to see the sprue for the traitor guard. Gotta see how many heads they give us, and if the "generic" loadout is good.

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:
In a slightly surprising turn events, Kill Team: Moloch goes up on pre-order next week, not the big HH box o' doom.

could it be that they rush it, to sell the traitorguard kit along side the new CSM codex?

We already know they aren’t in the book though don’t we. That’s the one we saw?


Also, for other posts, isn’t it Moroch not Moloch?

Danny76 wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:
In a slightly surprising turn events, Kill Team: Moloch goes up on pre-order next week, not the big HH box o' doom.

could it be that they rush it, to sell the traitorguard kit along side the new CSM codex?

We already know they aren’t in the book though don’t we. That’s the one we saw?


Also, for other posts, isn’t it Moroch not Moloch?

How do we "know" that the Traitor Guardsmen aren't in the CSM codex? We've only seen the cover.

It would be weird if they weren't. Corsairs - both types! - were in the Eldar book despite coming in KT first.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
It would be weird if they weren't. Corsairs - both types! - were in the Eldar book despite coming in KT first.

Hyper optimistic…because they’ll be in a proper Lost & Damned Codex?

I don't think we're getting a proper (or even an improper! ) Lost & The Damned Codex.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I don't think we're getting a proper (or even an improper! ) Lost & The Damned Codex.

I'm hoping for a supplement to Codex: Astra Militarum when that comes out.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I don't think we're getting a proper (or even an improper! ) Lost & The Damned Codex.

I'm still betting on the dedicated units like the Traitor Guardsmen being in the codex, with "Brood Brothers" style rules for getting some of the Guard vehicles from the Guard Codex.

Danny76 wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:
In a slightly surprising turn events, Kill Team: Moloch goes up on pre-order next week, not the big HH box o' doom.

could it be that they rush it, to sell the traitorguard kit along side the new CSM codex?

We already know they aren’t in the book though don’t we. That’s the one we saw?

We never saw a CSM book just a long list of snippets from a playtest doc.

Also, for other posts, isn’t it Moroch not Moloch?

Meh. As always, GW letter-shifting a name doesn't matter.
Most people will continue to use the comprehensible and familiar one.

Also, for other posts, isn’t it Moroch not Moloch?

Meh. As always, GW letter-shifting a name doesn't matter.
Most people will continue to use the comprehensible and familiar one.

No one is going to get that reference...

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
No one is going to get that reference...

Hehe story of my life


Anyway the box set looks good. Tough choices ahead on purchases to be made.