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First act of ultramarines supreme rule: traits are gone = every marine is codex astartes compliant! or illegal in 40k
Second act of ultramarines supreme rule: only blueish colors available from GW and sanctioned by BGB!
Third act of ultramarines supreme rule: "counts as" for dex-choices, NO not counts as my DIY ...,counts as ultramarine
Forth act of ultramarines supreme rule: you won't have me saying more about UM,never

There is no hope. May the Imperium R.I.P
Unless of course you have space wolves! Go cheap Terminator Armour!

That'll probably be readressed in the new codex when it comes out. As should the giving Space wolves scout sergeants terminator armour and infiltrating...

Storm Lord wrote:That'll probably be readressed in the new codex when it comes out. As should they giving Space wolves scout sergeants terminator armour and infiltrating...

Maybe the SW get that.... for a month,then it gets Faq/errata to redo the scouts.

Think of wolfsscouts ( full veteran battlebrothers) using the new Landspeeder transport.

Fenris FTW ,Macragge

Macragge sucks, Fenris is cool, i mean to can leave the atmosphere but climbing up the only hill on the planet, where as Macragge simply smells pretty.

1hadhq wrote:

Storm Lord wrote:That'll probably be readressed in the new codex when it comes out. As should they giving Space wolves scout sergeants terminator armour and infiltrating...

Maybe the SW get that.... for a month,then it gets Faq/errata to redo the scouts.

Think of wolfsscouts ( full veteran battlebrothers) using the new Landspeeder transport.

Fenris FTW ,Macragge

The problem is they can currently take Terminator Scout leaders, and though it has already been FAQ'ed because not everyone has access to them they can still be taken. I just love the idea of terminator armour quietly sneaking up on someone. Thats why it needs re-adressing in the codex. FAQ's don't always fix things

Storm Lord wrote:

1hadhq wrote:

Storm Lord wrote:That'll probably be readressed in the new codex when it comes out. As should they giving Space wolves scout sergeants terminator armour and infiltrating...

Maybe the SW get that.... for a month,then it gets Faq/errata to redo the scouts.

Think of wolfsscouts ( full veteran battlebrothers) using the new Landspeeder transport.



The problem is they can currently take Terminator Scout leaders, and though it has already been FAQ'ed because not everyone has access to them they can still be taken. I just love the idea of terminator armour quietly sneaking up on someone. Thats why it needs re-adressing in the codex. FAQ's don't always fix things

Terminatorarmor is said to be slow and cumbersome,but that doesn't make a decision against infiltrating.
The noise you'll produce when moving could be worse with bionics,not termie/power armor.
Wolfsscouts are full fledged marines and as others have a vetsgt,SW take a wolfguard.

Without anyting whats in the new SW dex,the coming SM dex will cast a way to the future design.

If you want it readdressed = Ok .

Thinking of the possible changes to vets i'm sure the HQ-section get changed too.
When SM are redone,the SW could be a totally new army (jumping from 3rd to 5th) !

When emporer comes back, 1st thing he does is kill off Eclesiarchy, hes an uber-atheist, and wouldnt stand being worshipped for much more then 30 sec. When ][ tries to persecute him as "false" or heretical or whatever, their heads explode, end of problem. Along with Emp's return, primarchs return... remaining loyalist legions all go "daddy" and returned primarchs turn to Guiliman and say "screw you, we're gonna have legions again" and follow through by finding all their grand-kids, great-grandkids ect, and pull them back into their legions, GK get to find out who their daddy is, and with the suppressive laws of the imperium gone, SM can reproduce both by gene-seed and naturally (c'mon, what do you think the Sisters of Battle were really founded for?) of course ggody-two-shoes UltraPansies dont get any, cuz they seem "off" to the SoB, and arent as rackish and daring as other legions... this drives Ultras to Chaos, but so many CSM hate Ultras, including the fickle 4, that they get killed (guilliman included) and never cause problems again. While all this is going onn, Emp connects the breaker for the GT's auto-pilot switch, shows Mechanicus where the GT's fuse box is, reminds them to make sure they plug in the recharger once every 25k years or so, and switches the GT back to "high" (one of the custodians accidentally bumped the mode selector switch when he was polishing the throne after a particullarly long day). Once all this is done Emp leads a new Great Crusade, and the Imperium wins.

Alternatively, Emp's alarm clock was reset to "12: 00" "12: 00" "12: 00" "12: 00" "12: 00" when the Imp. Light-house dimmed, so he doesnt wake up, fix the golde recliner, bring all his kids back, and bring forth the glorius fury of the imperium. Leaving the Imperium screwed and doomed...
unfortuanately, no 1 race in the 40k galaxy can survive with even 1 missing, it is a violent symbiotic galaxy...
without mankind Chaos gods loose their greatest source of emotions and their power slowly fades away...
without the "great enemy" to fight, eldar stop caring, so they languish more, and without the urgency needed to pump out baby guardians and aspect warriors, female Eldar get more and more headaches, therefore already abysmal eldar reproduction rate goes even lower, causing eldar to go away...
bereft of the bulk of souls to munch on, crons never bother to wake up again...
Tau have explosive growth, hit true orky space, the two beat the crap out of each other, then run out (to many spores burnt, not enough fishy-nooky going on to keep up the tau war machine)...
DE get all crushticated in the middle of the massive battles between Orks and Tau...
'Nids just leave because there is no more food...
And in the grim dark future of the 48th millenium, ther is nothing.

Or the blodthrusters get added to the 2nd Chaos Daemons dex and daemons rule supreme as none can withstand the wrathe of the bloodthrusters (being a relentless jump infantry with a stat line of 8ws/bs, i8, s8, t7, a4 and the Imperial ice cream gun (at heavy 6, not heavy 2 of course))

So you guys dont really want the Imperium, or any other race to fall as any races demise would start the snowball effect leading to nothingness i mentioned, the order may change, but if one goes and is never replace, all the rest go to.

Foolish humans, if they could just follow the Greater good :(

Gangsta_Tau wrote:Foolish humans, if they could just follow the Greater good :(

Sorry,not foolishness,just no reason to be citizen 2nd class if you can rule the galaxy.

Gah, can't get picture to work, but here's the link: http://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/Image:Wargaming_Humour_61

I think it's most appropiate.

SUCH INSOLENCE!!! THE GREATER GOOD ONLY HAS SO MUCH PAITENTS!!!

So what if they have no patience? Give them a chill pill and alls good again!

^That does it!!!!!

*bends you over and lubes up the pulse rifle*

erm, owww?

*Morphs into the Nightbringer and glares down at you*

*uses twin linked laser pointer to interfere with gangsta_tau's buddies marklight*

hahaha! now you dont have a snowballs chance in hell of hitting and or hurting me (my forest is the ultimate defence)

*hammerhead blows it's load all over the war walker so it can't fire it's throbbing twin linked lasers*

Have we just started soem form of war here on dakka that doesn't really have anything to do with the tactics of little plastic men?

Too late to back out now [see forum posting rules]!!!!

Gangsta_Tau wrote:Too late to back out now [see forum posting rules]!!!!

you got the Chance to live ,but refuse?

*requests Power direction to movement activators*
*Starts running with his Hunter Titan *
* Kicks Tau Tank away*
*does the happy dance because he scores a field goal*

You just asked for it.

*The shas'O calls down crisis suit penetration team via positional relay*

*The crisis team arrives on site via deep thrust*

*THe crisis team surrounds your Titan*

*The crisis multiple pentrates every availiable orifice on the Titan*

*The crisis team shoot their loads out the swollen fusion blaster tanks*

*The Hunter Titan explodes like a giant cream pie*

Gangsta_Tau wrote:*The shas'O calls down crisis suit penetration team via positional relay*

*The crisis team arrives on site via deep thrust*

*THe crisis team surrounds your Titan*

*The crisis multiple pentrates every availiable orifice on the Titan*

*The crisis team shoot their loads out the swollen fusion blaster tanks*

*The Hunter Titan explodes like a giant cream pie*

*shas'o didn't see that this is a technical malfunction of his suits sensors,because he REALLY blasted of a cream pie and not a titan*
*titan princeps first at the tau's puny try to do anything against his deflectors,then turns to stomp on little crisis-flies*

1hadhq wrote:Reality: the imperium can not fall because its too integrated in the game.
fluff: when those last battle came,its said the primarchs will lead again.
IMHO the emperor is then on their side (physical or any other way).Nothing can hope to win against a united imperium
End is : a galaxy to become a black hole.

I think were missing the point of the wording "fall". To fall doesn't always mean that a faction will disappear out of the galaxy. The Eldar "fell" yet they're still alive and kicking as a military strength in the galaxy. I seriously doubt that if a chunk of the Imperium falls away that the Space Marines are just going to up and stop fighting.

In my opinion I think the Imperium is heading for something bad, something akin to a new Dark Age or some other travesty. I think the High Lords have become corrupt by their own powertrip, hence why they keep the Emperor barely alive (so that he can't resurrect (if he resurrects at all) and so they can use the Emperor as a mere tool of their control).

You acn't exactly say the Eldar are a military stength per say, they are on the edge of extinction-and only fight if they really have to.

As for the Space Marines, if the Imperium as a body fell there is a good Cahnce that the oringinal 2nd Founding chapters would recreate the Great Crusade to unite humanity-albeit more slowly and place humanity under Space Marine rule-until they fall out about which Chapter is Ultimately in command of all the others. Most likely this will boil down to Ultramarines vs Dark Angels vs Space Wolves, which will destroy the Imperium all over again, and make the Traitor legions feel very stupid they never succeeded in doing it first

Storm Lord wrote:
As for the Space Marines, if the Imperium as a body fell there is a good Chance that the original 2nd Founding chapters would recreate the Great Crusade to unite humanity-albeit more slowly and place humanity under Space Marine rule-until they fall out about which Chapter is Ultimately in command of all the others. Most likely this will boil down to Ultramarines vs Dark Angels vs Space Wolves vs
Blood Angels vs Black Templars which will destroy the Imperium all over again

This danger was real after heresy,before 2nd founding.If the space marines regroup as Legions,there may be not much left if they fight
for supremacy.

and make the Traitor legions feel very stupid they never succeeded in doing it first

Thats why so much ranting comes from the traitor Legions,they always think someone cheated them.

I can't use quote function ihadhq :( so here is my reply!!!

*The shas O gets angry!!!*
*He fires up his jet pack and flies toward the Titan cockpit like a fat load*
*rams through the cockpit screen with his turgid plasma rifle like a throbbin rocket*
*crashes into the control room, squishing two imperial guards in the process*
*shoves his plasma rifle up the butt of two guardsman and fires, shoves it into the mouth into another guardsman and fires, clears the bridge*

pwned!

Storm Lord wrote:You acn't exactly say the Eldar are a military stength per say, they are on the edge of extinction-and only fight if they really have to.

As for the Space Marines, if the Imperium as a body fell there is a good Cahnce that the oringinal 2nd Founding chapters would recreate the Great Crusade to unite humanity-albeit more slowly and place humanity under Space Marine rule-until they fall out about which Chapter is Ultimately in command of all the others. Most likely this will boil down to Ultramarines vs Dark Angels vs Space Wolves, which will destroy the Imperium all over again, and make the Traitor legions feel very stupid they never succeeded in doing it first

Extinct "on a galactic scale." What I meant to say was that the Eldar have enough military power/strength to actually make a difference in large-scale events (such as the 13th Black Crusade). There are five Major Craftworlds and a dozen or two Minor Craftworlds, not to mention Eldar pirates, Harlequins, primal Eldar (forget exactly what they're called), and an entire planet of unknown size full of Dark Eldar. They may not have the mind-boggling numbers that the Imperium, Orks, or Nids have, but they make up for it in their skills, technology, and powerful psykers.

If the Imperium does fall there are enough human and human military forces to ensure that something arises out of the ashes, they may just lose a big of ground on the galactic playing field and may not be the dominant power in the galaxy after it.

Gangsta_Tau wrote:I can't use quote function ihadhq :( so here is my reply!!!

You should use the button in the right upper corner first => "quote"
I don't believe that I am unquotable
In the reply-window you also get a quote-button.

*The shas O gets angry!!!*

no discipline,these Tau officers

*He fires up his jet pack and flies toward the Titan cockpit like a fat load*

he really "flies" like a fat barrel with his 6" movement.

*rams through the cockpit screen with his turgid plasma rifle like a throbbin rocket*

*ruins his weapon at the crash into armorplating,gets some complaints from his earth-caste techys for that*

*crashes into the control room, squishing two imperial guards in the process*
*shoves his plasma rifle up the butt of two guardsman and fires, shoves it into the mouth into another guardsman and fires, clears the bridge*

Titans are NOT crewed by guardsmen.The adeptus titanicus is a seperate organization,backed up by the mechanicum.
Who said I have 5 men on the bridge

You really insist on a virtual thread battle?
Even if you don't know your opponents unit?

1) I used a scratchbuild model with my selfscribed datasheet.
2) Bad for you,but I thought we only have some fun and go back on topic then.

Marik Law wrote:

If the Imperium does fall there are enough human and human military forces to ensure that something arises out of the ashes, they may just lose a bit of ground on the galactic playing field and may not be the dominant power in the galaxy after it.

If the Imperium as uniting factor gets shattered,the civil war for power will just kill humanity.
No existing human force is strong enough to fight against the galaxy-wide threats alone.They really need each other.
Crush the Imperium = take SM + IG + Inq out of 40k as playable forces.Replace with some mercenaries or pirates.
Nothing will arise if a race has to rebuild so often as the humans did.

1hadhq, when i use the quote button the screens opens with errors.

So I is redeemed!!!

Anyway, the angry rapist Shas O is so awsome he disregards what arsenal you have!!!

But yeah, lets just say you lost and end the battle now