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Must every author follow the "easy route" ?
Part one : regional threat, Part two : planetary threat, Part three : Sector threat;
I suppose more fun at different locations:
Fight at -ork infested systems, -eldar exodite world, -necron tomb world, -tau sept world,
extend the storyline and more terrain to build

The Warhammer 40k is on a floating timescale. But at the end game i think that:
A) The Imperium is doomed, beset on all sides by enemies including the old Man vs. Himself one. There not be much hope for them.
B) Orks will eventully break down due to constant infighting and Tyranids killing off ork homeworlds (Tyranids like orky Mushrooms).
C) The Tau are trapped in a tiny area of space, with Hive Fleet Kraken on one side and a Ork Empire on the other, eventully they will be crushed by countless foes.
D) Necrons! Yes this little buggers have bases on Mars (the Void Dragon the most powerful of the C'tan lives under the surface) and Cadia (the towers of Cadia stop the advance of the Eye of Terror similar to a Geller Field.) Control of these means the Imperiums major defences are screwed up.
E) The Eldar and Dark Eldar. Eldar will get annoyed with humanity killing itself and will leave with thier craftworlds to newer places outside the Galaxy. While the Dark Eldar can live in the Webway killing themselves if they get too bored.
F) Tyranids. The Major threat to the Imperium. However they will not attack Necrons and vice virsa. (Tyranids cannont eat Phase Metal and Tyranids have no souls so the Necrons cannot detect them)

What will happen?

With the other races gone the Tyranids will eat the Galaxy and move on.
Orks will most likely live onboard Space Hulks and go around hunting each other.
The Eldar will leave to a better place.
The Tau will be eaten by orks and Tyranids. The Necrons will sleep forever more waiting for more souls to land on the Planets.
At least thats what i think

Maybe but its been shown that even the Imperium can beat Hive fleets, so maybe they aren't such a big threat?And I like the idea the Orks will eat the Tau...

The races of the Galaxy should just point the Orks in the direction of the hive fleets and say "Go fight them, they're hard and strong, it'll give you a good fight" and let them kill each other off, whilst the rest of the races sit back and sunbathe until, well until they get bored

They have done, well the tyranids are now heading for the orks. But the winner will be stronger than the other 2 combined (orks get stronger with warfare so if they win they have loads of strong orks) And tyranids would have taken millions of ork DNA (orks are natural winners) and this makes the winner a bigger threat in the longer term of say a couple 100 years

A horde of greenskins is reduced in numbers,when it had
fought for "whos da boss", main advantage (endless flood of boyz)
then gone.They never care about conquer the galaxy,only the
next battle is important for a race that forgot his original name (krork)

Nids benefit from new DNA,they need different foes to grow.100 years
against orks will downgrade them.

A standstill struggle is inevitable between two fast
reproducing forces, when no allies join in to turn the
outcome. I see noone willing to intervene there.

Maybe so but that doesnt stop the imperium from being any less screwed, these are but 3 hive fleets. The tyranids have more Hive Fleets that the Imperium has worlds (check the Nid codex, it does actully say so in there)

You believe in C: nids? Millions of hive fleets would eat the whole galaxy in a few years.WH40k never made it this long time if any
race was this superior.Some dexwriters really promoted the success of whatever race they describe to a crazy level.
The imperium is needed,even by nids,as opponent and without 40k ends.

Yup i have to agree there, without the Imperium there would be no 40k (no super soldiers and no cannon fodder not too mention Inquisitors and SoB.) So really the Imperium will survive so as 40k can make money out of it being doomed.

I now feel stupid for not saying "don't involve GW finances in this thread" *To self, whilst smacking head on wall* Idiot idiot idiot.

How well do people think the Next Black Crusade will do, when it gets launched? Afterall the Imperium barely held on last time-does it have the strength to hold on again, after all the Eldar (and rumour has it the Necrons) had to help last time

Well first Mr Abbadon has to make up the loses from the last one. However the Eldar will probabily not turn up. Due to the Death of the greatest farseer of all time (he looked into the eyes of Slaanesh and now lives in many hundreads of soul stones of whom Slannesh is desparate to get his hands on) All the population of Cadia is now 2/5 of what it used to be (from 800 million to about 230 million. But knowing that Abbadon is gaining power and the subburness of the Imperium i think they will do just fine, eventully

Abbadon has lots of troops at his disposal, Daemons, Renegade Primrachs, and probably the bulk of the Traitor Legions are still alive. Surely he could sweep out now and finish the Cadian Gate? Why wait?

And thanks for kind of supporting my point (Eldar and large Imp deaths) it shows the Imperium isn't able to hold its own, therefore is doomed

Mainly because Abbadon lost. Chaos doesn't take losing too well. While most of the Traitor legions are alive they do not have the numbers to keep on fighting forever (estimates put at about 1 million CSM max at the time of the Horus Heresy) take into accout 10,000 years of fighting. Also while Abbadon could attempt to now many of the other CSM forces are reaping the rewards, World Eaters are out raiding places Word Bearers are preaching on new worlds and so on. So it will wait a while and somehow the Imperium will pull it out of its hat, maybe this time at Mars of nearer earth.

he only lost beacuse GW couldn't let him win! Results wise I beleive he did, but GW said "Oh he was pushed back but at appauling losses" purely because if he had 'won' (Which he technically did) it would have changed their view of how the 40k future should be.

They can't let him win, Cadia isnt far from Terra if he took that. Its just a short hop to Terra. Maybe the Star Child Cycle will be done by then.

I doubt it, GW won't be willing to do that. Besides the Star Child Theory will screw the Imperium so it doesn't matter if it happens

It will either screw them over, or it will be the start of a great Crusade all over again.

Space_hoppo wrote:Mainly because Abbadon lost. Chaos doesn't take losing too well. While most of the Traitor legions are alive they do not have the numbers to keep on fighting forever (estimates put at about 1 million CSM max at the time of the Horus Heresy) take into accout 10,000 years of fighting. Also while Abbadon could attempt to now many of the other CSM forces are reaping the rewards, World Eaters are out raiding places Word Bearers are preaching on new worlds and so on. So it will wait a while and somehow the Imperium will pull it out of its hat, maybe this time at Mars of nearer earth.

Space Marine Legions were estimated from 10.000 to 25.000 before heresy,
with 20 its max 500.000. Mind to state where your 1mio comes from??
Ezekyle Abaddon, horus first captain has already proved that he is a monster
of a fighter but no Diplomat .Chaos cannot win,because its unstable nature
lets no room to get along.

Actully it says that each one was near 100,000 or 250,000 for the Ultra Marines if i remember but i may have read it wrong if so if true then the number would be about 150,000 CSM. He has the amazing Ability to rally people to his Cause Abbadon, mostly due to Tzeentch because he's the Dipomat God. So if the factions on Chaos stuck together (like with the splitting of the Primarchs) it would be a dark day, but they would need a major reason to do so.

I say the Imperium will last because of this very simple tactical stand point: "They have us completely surrounded.....We can attack from any angle.....They dont have a chance!!"

Space_hoppo wrote:Well first Mr Abbadon has to make up the loses from the last one. However the Eldar will probabily not turn up. Due to the Death of the greatest farseer of all time (he looked into the eyes of Slaanesh and now lives in many hundreads of soul stones of whom Slannesh is desparate to get his hands on) All the population of Cadia is now 2/5 of what it used to be (from 800 million to about 230 million. But knowing that Abbadon is gaining power and the subburness of the Imperium i think they will do just fine, eventully

Nah if Chaos is smart it hides out for awhile. The fluff for the 13th Crusade ending was that it will take a decade(s) to form the teeming masses of guard/fleets that are coming Cadia way into a right and proper crusade. Now that Abby and sons are out in the open the Imperium is dropping the Brown Horde to deal with them most harshly. That was Chaos' advantage, they could bail out before the coming backhand. Now everything in the Imperium is moving in their direction-a tsunami of men and material not seen in, well ever. We've just seen the galactic Stalingrad, with the bad boys effectively being pinned at the Cadian gate. Now we're about to see Bagration. You know how this ends, don't you Mr. Abaddon.

They sent 2 billion men into the Sabbat crusade. As Dr. Evil would say, now they are sending gajillions.

Actually once Chaos is kicked, they can turn and deal with those pesky Nids and Tau whilst the marines track down those Necron worlds. Yes, we're definitely at the turning of the tide. A flower was spotted growing outside the Imperial Palace on Terra. Its going to be a good day for Man.

Space_hoppo wrote:Maybe so but that doesnt stop the imperium from being any less screwed, these are but 3 hive fleets. The tyranids have more Hive Fleets that the Imperium has worlds (check the Nid codex, it does actully say so in there)

How do you know that? There was one fluff supposition that this is the tip, but it could very well be the main vanguard has already struck.
But agreed on the Orks. Point the saviors of the galaxy at the bugs and say "sic 'em!!!" I always knew one day fungus would save us all.

A flower outside the Imperial palec on Terra is hardly a big deal. So a custodian like gardening doesn't save mankind, at least I hope not

Maybe the Emporer is going soft with all the being doomed.

if the Emporers going soft humanity really is doomed. Case solved

Maybe, but if he's re-born anytime soon then problem solved, he only lost to Horus in the first place because he couldnt bear to hurt his favorite son.

If he gets reborn then the Imperium is screwed for two reasons. The first is that he sits on the Golden throne currently right, which holds back a ruptured webway gate he was playing with when Magnus the Red sent him a warning message before the heresy took root. This is now swarming with Daemons, if the Emporer is reborn he will leave the throne and they can pour through and destroy Terra which would collapse the Seat of the Imperium and planets would quickly seceed from its rule whilst its in turmoil.

Secondly, the Imperium would be split as to whether he was telling the truth or was an imposter, bearing in mind no-one alive knows what he looks like. mass revolts would break out as people resort to violence to sort the problem out, destroying the Imperium from within. Even some SM chapters would be unsure who to listen to and may be declared Heretics, who would then go on mass anger rampages for the insult.

Finally, the Emporer can't be everywhere at once, so he would only be able to sort a few problems out at a time, so whilst he goes to the eye of terror the tau can come in from the other side and take over more land and vice versa.

Whew, rant over

Actally according to reports from the HH he was every where until he went back to tinker with the webway. I say we find a Eldar Farseer and ask them, but they seem to think its screwed too they get the fall of the eldar heeby jeebys

It's not quite Eldar webway, it's more of a human one that functions in a similar way. And in the HH he seemed to be with Horus most of the time unless a new Primarch was found

Yeah which is everywhere, Sons of Horus move around alot. I still go with the ask a Eldar farsser they know pretty much anything.

Except how to save their race from extinction! But the Emp wasn't everywhere at once, he can't multitask, being a guy, and so wouldn't be that much use. Besides like I say, there would be a mass schism in the Imperium